Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] "Abstain" voting option for RFCs

2025-07-28 Thread youkidearitai
2025年7月28日(月) 23:31 Larry Garfield : > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2025, at 3:38 AM, Ken Guest wrote: > > People can just abstain by not voting anyway - I really don't see what > > adding this would give us. > > There are a couple of recent RFCs, including some in voting now, where I > don't know enough abo

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] "Abstain" voting option for RFCs

2025-07-28 Thread Larry Garfield
On Sun, Jul 27, 2025, at 8:09 AM, Tim Düsterhus wrote: > Hi > > On 7/24/25 15:42, Larry Garfield wrote: >> Just to clarify here, Single Transferable Vote and Ranked Choice Voting are >> the same thing. I think it's just another Ameircan-vs-British English >> question. :-) > > My understanding is

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] "Abstain" voting option for RFCs

2025-07-28 Thread Larry Garfield
On Mon, Jul 28, 2025, at 3:38 AM, Ken Guest wrote: > People can just abstain by not voting anyway - I really don't see what > adding this would give us. There are a couple of recent RFCs, including some in voting now, where I don't know enough about the subject to have an opinion, but I do want

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] "Abstain" voting option for RFCs

2025-07-28 Thread Ken Guest
People can just abstain by not voting anyway - I really don't see what adding this would give us. On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 at 14:45, Derick Rethans wrote: > On 27 July 2025 14:09:50 BST, "Tim Düsterhus" wrote: > >Hi > > > >On 7/24/25 15:42, Larry Garfield wrote: > >> Just to clarify here, Single Tra

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] "Abstain" voting option for RFCs

2025-07-27 Thread Derick Rethans
On 27 July 2025 14:09:50 BST, "Tim Düsterhus" wrote: >Hi > >On 7/24/25 15:42, Larry Garfield wrote: >> Just to clarify here, Single Transferable Vote and Ranked Choice Voting are >> the same thing. I think it's just another Ameircan-vs-British English >> question. :-) > >My understanding is tha

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] "Abstain" voting option for RFCs

2025-07-27 Thread Tim Düsterhus
Hi On 7/24/25 15:42, Larry Garfield wrote: Just to clarify here, Single Transferable Vote and Ranked Choice Voting are the same thing. I think it's just another Ameircan-vs-British English question. :-) My understanding is that “Ranked Choice Voting” is a generic term of which “Single Trans

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] "Abstain" voting option for RFCs

2025-07-24 Thread Larry Garfield
On Thu, Jul 24, 2025, at 4:28 AM, Tim Düsterhus wrote: > Hi > > Am 2025-07-23 17:34, schrieb Andreas Heigl: >> As you point out, the abstain alone solves a me "problem". Changing the >> process just for that, seems overkill to me. > > Requiring an "Abstain" option in the voting widget is a simple

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] "Abstain" voting option for RFCs

2025-07-24 Thread Larry Garfield
On Thu, Jul 24, 2025, at 4:13 AM, Tim Düsterhus wrote: > Hi > > Am 2025-07-23 16:05, schrieb Larry Garfield: >> The only thing I'd add is that in the case of multi-option secondary >> votes, STV/RCV also be explicitly allowed. (Rank first, second, third, >> etc.). (I'm aware the mechanism for S

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] "Abstain" voting option for RFCs

2025-07-24 Thread Tim Düsterhus
Hi Am 2025-07-23 17:34, schrieb Andreas Heigl: As you point out, the abstain alone solves a me "problem". Changing the process just for that, seems overkill to me. Requiring an "Abstain" option in the voting widget is a simple change to the process. It does not require any additional effort f

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] "Abstain" voting option for RFCs

2025-07-24 Thread Tim Düsterhus
Hi Am 2025-07-23 16:05, schrieb Larry Garfield: The only thing I'd add is that in the case of multi-option secondary votes, STV/RCV also be explicitly allowed. (Rank first, second, third, etc.). (I'm aware the mechanism for STV is kinda clunky on the wiki right now, but we know how to make i

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] "Abstain" voting option for RFCs

2025-07-23 Thread Andreas Heigl
Hey Am 23.07.25 um 17:21 schrieb Volker Dusch: On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 4:30 PM Andreas Heigl wrote: Adding an Abstain in combination with one of these changes * Introducing a certain amount of minimum votes (including abstains) * Connecting voting karma to actual particiation in votes sound

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] "Abstain" voting option for RFCs

2025-07-23 Thread Volker Dusch
On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 4:30 PM Andreas Heigl wrote: > Adding an Abstain in combination with one of these changes > > * Introducing a certain amount of minimum votes (including abstains) > * Connecting voting karma to actual particiation in votes > > sounds very reasonable and worthwile in my opi

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] "Abstain" voting option for RFCs

2025-07-23 Thread Andreas Heigl
Hey Am 23.07.25 um 00:03 schrieb Tim Düsterhus: Hi Adding an "Abstain" option to RFCs was an idea that floated around multiple times in the past and it now came up again as part of (more than) one of the RFCs that recently went to vote. I've therefore finally written up a policy RFC to add s

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] "Abstain" voting option for RFCs

2025-07-23 Thread Larry Garfield
On Tue, Jul 22, 2025, at 5:03 PM, Tim Düsterhus wrote: > Hi > > Adding an "Abstain" option to RFCs was an idea that floated around > multiple times in the past and it now came up again as part of (more > than) one of the RFCs that recently went to vote. I've therefore finally > written up a poli

[PHP-DEV] [RFC] "Abstain" voting option for RFCs

2025-07-22 Thread Tim Düsterhus
Hi Adding an "Abstain" option to RFCs was an idea that floated around multiple times in the past and it now came up again as part of (more than) one of the RFCs that recently went to vote. I've therefore finally written up a policy RFC to add such an option. As part of doing that I have also