orrect me if that's not the reason for this
initiative, it is called a Common License Agreement (CLA). Which we
always opposed to have, and I still do, strongly :).
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her informative, helping everyone understand the
current state of our toolset, improving transparency.
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fix requiring a bc break, f.e.).
However, I am very doubtful here. And I do not know if it can be avoided
while keeping the new behaviors.
All in all, it would be great to at least agree that there is a BC break
issue, so it can be addressed according, whatever the final decision is.
best,
Pierre
>
what llvm
does f.e.) to then target wasm. The closest one from php is python with
py2wasm, but there are pretty existing solutions that make it possible,
they use the out of python core approach:
https://wasmer.io/posts/py2wasm-a-python-to-wasm-compiler
which looks very much like what could be don
work with the project running on
a docker container
Thanks in advance!
Carlos
Eclipse for C/C++ developers may work as well. I did use it for writing
an xdebug patch and reading the PHP source code.
Regards,
Pierre
On Thu, Sep 12, 2024, 4:42 PM Christoph M. Becker wrote:
> On 12.09.2024 at 06:46, Pierre Joye wrote:
>
> > I mentioned that long ago, but a maybe faster way to get windows ready
> > sources is vcpkg:
> >
> > https://vcpkg.roundtrip.dev/ports/libxpm
> >
>
hi,
On Thu, Sep 12, 2024, 5:04 AM Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>
>
> This should be fixed in winlibs/libxpm. The patch in winlib-builder
> doesn't make sense; I think I did this to make it easier to update
> libxpm, though in hindsight this was probably a bad idea.
>
I mentioned that long ago, b
hi Christoph,
On Wed, Sep 11, 2024, 7:56 PM Christoph M. Becker wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
> Therefore I suggest dropping XPM support from ext/gd on Windows as soon
> as possible (might be a bit late for PHP 8.4, but might still be a good
> idea).
>
Given it is only useful on OSes relying on X/freede
:)
> What do you think?
100% for it.
> Would this require the RFC process?
A documentation for sure, especially for external developers
(nativephp, roadrunner, etc) so they can use it for their own flows.
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On Thu, Aug 15, 2024, 6:35 AM Lanre wrote:
> Arvids wrote "I don't think C sees a lot of development any more, so it
>> makes sense to move towards C++."
>
>
>
>>
> Nah, I meant the specific conversation with Pierre Joye, it wasn't going
> anyw
On Wed, Aug 14, 2024, 11:07 AM Lanre wrote:
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2024 at 4:28 PM Mike Schinkel wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 12, 2024 at 4:13 PM, > wrote:
>> You’d have to be seriously naive to believe that “the entire industry is
>> actively trying to move AWAY from C/C++.”
>>
>>
>> Well, there is this:
On Tue, Aug 13, 2024, 3:16 AM Lanre wrote:
I'm sure the idea of enhancing C++ makes no sense to you, and would be a
> waste of your time and energy, but not everyone is that stupid/incompetent
> so even if i do get bored of maintaining it, literally any C++ dev can pick
> it up, it really is that
less diplomatic answer would be that c++ makes zero sense in 2024 for php
(or any other language), a strong and bold take :)
best,
Pierre
On Sun, Aug 11, 2024, 8:32 PM Gina P. Banyard wrote:
> On Sunday, 11 August 2024 at 15:26, Pierre Joye
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2024, 6:53 PM Gina P. Banyard wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, 10 August 2024 at 15:13, Christoph M. Becker <
>> cmbecke...@gmx
On Sun, Aug 11, 2024, 6:53 PM Gina P. Banyard wrote:
> On Saturday, 10 August 2024 at 15:13, Christoph M. Becker <
> cmbecke...@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> I think moving the PDO driver to use C++ is a more sensible choice.
>
what would be the advantages? given the OO part at the C level is perfectly
fi
On Wed, Aug 7, 2024, 7:13 PM Nick Lockheart wrote:
>
>
>
> So I was thinking about this a bit more and I thought, what if instead
> of adding a sandbox as a feature of PHP, what if PHP *was* the sandbox.
>
> So consider this:
>
> What if the PHP engine added a C API that lets C/C++ programs not o
e dir, with the additional features. I never
ever had to mock core functions for testing, I would think about a design
issue if it is needed.
But I may be wrong, that would not be a first :)
cheers,
Pierre
On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 12:10 AM Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>
> On 05.08.2024 at 17:42, Pierre Joye wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Aug 5, 2024, 10:03 PM Derick Rethans wrote:
> >
> >> Instead of having to deal with tickets, wouldn't be be easier if the
> >> com
used in external extensions (included headers etc), but at
least on linux (or similar), an ext can be compiled with any version.
On windows, we can't, mainly for memory management issues (alloc/realloc
or freed using different crt). It is possible but too many extensions, also
in core, cause issues.
best,
Pierre
>
On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 7:06 PM Rob Landers wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2024, at 13:54, Pierre Joye wrote:
>
> Hi Rob,
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 3:17 PM Rob Landers wrote:
> >
> > Hello internals,
> >
> > Last night I went down a rabbit hole wit
fault the thread ID will be the current thread.
the rsrc is the one you get when creating a new rsc (fetching a non
existent one will create it btw).
I would suggest to read the comments in the implement of ts_resource, lot
of useful information are explained there :)
best,
Pierre
ot say too many outdated/wrong explanations :).
Btw, Welting rewrote that part with Dmitry back then to fix long
standing issues (and drop TSRM_LS/DC/CC uses), not sure if he is still
around but he may help.
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difference (the
diff images contains the channels differences).
A key, more tricky, but nevertheless important compared is a perceptual
difference, but that can be done additionally.
best,
Pierre
On Thu, Jul 11, 2024, 4:39 PM Giovanni Giacobbi
wrote:
> The recent PR #14877 [1] proposes to
Le 21/06/2024 à 15:57, Robert Landers a écrit :
On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 3:01 PM Pierre wrote:
Le 21/06/2024 à 14:27, Robert Landers a écrit :
This is why I wanted to work on "as" part of the pattern matching. It
isn't clear what will happen with the actual pattern matching
our point, nevertheless
making coercion explicit doesn't seem really relevant to me, the one
point I like in your syntax would be null handling.
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grade PHP and your software easily, but can't upgrade the database
server.
Regards,
Pierre
Le 07/06/2024 à 21:38, Larry Garfield a écrit :
On Fri, Jun 7, 2024, at 7:20 PM, Pierre wrote:
I sincerely do not want to see a new operator for replacing the "new"
operator, because then we would have two different syntaxes which would
be semantically equivalent.
Creating a new
cognitive dissonance for simply no added value at all.
"New" is working fine, adding a shortcut for the sake of adding a
shortcut to something you don't write that much doesn't worth it in my
opinion: there are much more disadvantages that benefits.
Best regards,
Pierre
octrine, Symfony, any tool
implement it in a different manner. I don't want to be rude, but as a
developer using all of those, it's very annoying having to learn
different ways of doing something as simple and naive that saying that a
function is deprecated. One manner is sufficient, even if not perfect.
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guments to
pass values to templates.
There are tons of use case like this in old yet still running code.
But I would love it to be deprecated, raise warnings, and give some time
for people to fix (adding an explicit `mixed ... $values` is enough to
fix broken code).
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things both in the PR and the RFC. We are willing to do so if the
consensus is that it would be beneficial, but want to ask before putting in the
effort.
Yes please ! Pass !
I don't have voting rights, but we need this.
Cheers,
Pierre R.
On Mon, Jan 1, 2024, 6:18 PM Rowan Tommins wrote:
> On 31 December 2023 16:31:31 GMT, Pierre Joye
> wrote:
>
> >php handles this in threadsafe mode
>
> Depending on your exact definition of "php", this is either irrelevant or
> just plain wrong.
>
>
f.e. It is why frankenphp
requires a TS build of php. Requests are handled by a thread pool, not in
single thread event loop which may block all requests.
best,
Pierre
g embedded sapi but how it is done using frankenphp would be an order
of magnitude better.
Having the complex parts in the core us a good start to experiment, adapt.
Later a core sapi may be added, we cannot know without trying and let the
community uses it.
best,
Pierre
ise, however I am happy
to help if desired. I can only, with a diplomatic emphasis, suggest to the
author to understand where the php ecosystem is (or was 3 years or more
ago).
best,
Pierre
>
On Fri, Dec 8, 2023, 3:44 PM Max Semenik wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 10:20 PM Niels Dossche
> wrote:
>
> > Hi internals
> >
> > I'd like to start a pre-RFC discussion about filesystem path APIs in PHP.
> > The reason I bring this up is because of this recent feature request:
> > https://gith
ns (including their respective deps) will be amazingly
helpful.
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On Tue, Dec 5, 2023, 10:13 PM Pierre Joye wrote:
>
>
> You may mention https://github.com/FriendsOfPHP/pickle
>
> which supports pecl.php.net pear format, composer like support, and
> conversion to composer format.
>
> I did a website as well as a test bed and we had
poser 2.x, which now widely used. Similarly we
discussed the idea to create a packagist dedicated to extensions.
That would be, imo, the best option to date.
The current code may need some updates for php8 but nothing difficult or
requiring big changes.
best,
Pierre
ch more than in
JIT.
As a sidenote, most libraries used by php, where larger intrinsics vectors
bring something, implement them already.
best,
Pierre
>
{ public function
__construct(public string $val = 'abc' ) {}}` don't yield the same
behavior at the time.
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Le 23/10/2023 à 17:35, Saki Takamachi a écrit :
Hi, Pierre
You may have overlooked the existence of the magic method `__unserialize()`.
Constructor is not the only way to create instances.
When rebuilding a serialized object, you may need the initial values of
properties. This can easily
ok could detect those case and affect
variables with default values ? I don't know enough PHP internals to
give a rational answer to this problem through...
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is "not that much, probably not a all even") ?
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arisons is real and obvious. So long as voters
are categorically opposed to actual operator overloads no matter the
implementation, as represented here by you Pierre but by no means a
position that only you hold, I don't think we should be looking for
ways to get the functionality through hack
and APIs.
ORM's are one place, but there are many others.
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t like the ~= choice because in my mind it literally
translates to "is approximately/barely/maybe comparable to".
By the way, please do not use abbreviations such as WDYT, I'm not a
native english speaker and I don't know all abbreviations, I had to
duckduckgo' it.
Reg
Le 18/10/2023 à 13:01, Alex Wells a écrit :
The community has just now decided on the PHPDoc syntax for generics, has
just started widely adopting them in packages and has just got first-party
support from PHPStorm. I doubt that migrating to yet another temporary
solution (one that still doesn'
Le 15/10/2023 à 18:09, Larry Garfield a écrit :
That has already been done:https://www.php.net/array_is_list
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Oh, I forgot it was accepted and merged, thanks for pointing at it.
Cheers,
Pierre
(whatever the name is, I don't want to
bikeshed about naming) would be a good addition as well, that, in my
opinion, would be pertinent to add at the same time.
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On Fri, Oct 13, 2023, 2:01 AM Jordan LeDoux wrote:
>
>
>
> I believe MPFR is what is used by ext-decimal. The only thing that makes
> ext-decimal a somewhat difficult replacement for BCMath is that one of them
> uses precision and the other uses scale. (Total accurate digits versus
> total signif
Hi Jordan
On Fri, Oct 13, 2023, 1:24 AM Jordan LeDoux wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 5:27 AM Saki Takamachi wrote:
>
>> Hi, Pierre
>>
>> In fact, I predict that many use cases will be covered by GMP.
>>
>> Still, I think that there may
Hi
On Wed, Oct 4, 2023, 6:39 PM Saki Takamachi wrote:
> Hi, Marc, Pierre
>
> Thank you for all the information.
>
> After all, I feel that BCMath and GMP have different roles.
>
> Arbitrary precision mathematics and very high precision mathematics are
> similar but di
On Tue, Oct 3, 2023, 4:13 PM Saki Takamachi wrote:
> yes, they do, as do almost all floating points implementation.
>
> Memory limited float values and their respective operations are still
> useful in many areas, but financial values and the likes. Scaled integers
> are the way for accuracy.
>
>
On Tue, Oct 3, 2023, 12:25 PM Saki Takamachi wrote:
>
> I thought GMP was a function for integers, so I wasn't expecting that tbh.
>
> However, even if GMP supported floating point numbers, wouldn't it end up
> having the inherent error problem of floating point numbers?
>
yes, they do, as do al
sapi may take more importance soon I think. It won't be as
wide as fpm but frankenphp (or similar) will see a significant increase in
usage, for good reasons:)
best,
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>
I like the idea too. The sooner this work can be available as
experimental, the sooner it will get stable.
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eritance", it's true, and that's
how lots of languages that were not design with multiple inheritance in
mind solves it, such as Java, and I personally find this rather elegant.
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lementations on interfaces, it would remove the use of having traits
at all. Everything would be much easier to read and write.
LoggerAwareInterface would no longer require us to use LoggerAwareTrait
on every class, etc...
This is kind of sugar candy I'd really love.
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would really deserve to be in SPL, and
maintained along with core, and be usable without any composer dependencies.
PHP is really lacking a complete enumerable / iterable / traversable
API. Maybe this is time to design and add one ?
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On Wed, 17 May 2023 at 18:24, Gunnard engebreth wrote:
>
> > Maybe im missing something here but the already available `dirname()`
> does this. right?
> https://www.php.net/manual/en/function.dirname.php
>
>
dirname just traverses up the directory, it doesn't join paths.
For example, this exampl
, as nicely as you did, the volunteers here to do it for you
as the language level, won't work.
best,
Pierre
>
ist, and it's not that easy to reach or read for people, even when
using https://externals.io/
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d rethink the development
flows of these projects instead of asking php to freeze.
best,
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Hello,
I wonder if we could not use on demand resources for the builds (like
windows gh actions) and use the normal distribution mirrors setup?
Pierre
On Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 8:10 PM JEDI_BC / Bruno CHALOPIN
wrote:
> Hi
>
> On 11/07/2022 18:25, Christoph M. Becker wrote:
> > On 1
On Fri, Dec 23, 2022, 7:46 PM joke2k wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback!
>
> On Fri, 23 Dec 2022, 09:33 Claude Pache, wrote:
>
> > It is very common for fluent class methods to have a verbose `return
> > $this;` ending in their body.
> > But If you have declared `self` as return type into a non-st
ergonomics, security
and performance.
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Le 24/03/2022 à 16:06, Mark Niebergall a écrit :
So you are correct, the const value does have a value that has a type, but
there is no way to enforce which type the value is or to use const with
inheritance, which is part of the bigger picture here.
That was exactly my point: the type could si
no need
to express the type of a value, the value has already has a type.
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methods such as
append(), prepend() and all ? It's much more explicit and much less
alien-like for most people.
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ot;Theodore Brown";
$len = strlen($name);
echo "{$name} has a length of {$len}.";
I guess it's a matter of taste and convention.
Sometime, it make sense and it's just easier to just use string
interpolation (for example with multiline templates).
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On Sat, Mar 5, 2022, 10:31 AM Kris Craig wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 4:51 AM Marco Pivetta wrote:
>
>
> But that doesn't mean we should be using the PHP website to start taking
> sides in military conflicts.
>
There is no side to take but the population in Ukraine, friends, family,
colleagu
er to read and write (you just store
` ?? null` in your clip board and hit paste on every use case you find).
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myself to the
organization. The organization was limited when gh was only a mirror,
so I wonder why all accounts did not get migrated.
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Hi,
What has to be done that the github issues can be handled by the same
developers than in bugs.php.net?
It is a bit weird that I cannot change status or anything else but add
comments :)
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t; 8 bits)
> d) code points (one of 1,112,064 numbers that can be given a meaning by
> the Unicode standard)
> e) graphemes (what a user would generally think of as a "character")
> f) pixels (or any other unit of physical size)
>
it is why we have intl, which uses the ICU and allow users to update it.
That means using the latest standard if needed.
best,
Pierre
>
Hi Tim,
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 4:40 PM Tim Düsterhus, WoltLab GmbH
wrote:
>
> Hi Pierre
>
> On 1/11/22 4:48 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
> > Also sensitive data goes way beyond arguments, GDPR brings a lot of
> > issues here too. Userland packages like monolog provide filters
Good morning Tim,
On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 9:06 PM Tim Düsterhus, WoltLab GmbH
wrote:
I am not sure it makes sense to make the code so verbose to prevent
users from showing sensitive data as it never stops (next
print_r/var_dump and userland version of them?).
Also sensitive data goes way beyond
expected API? If possible, then
algorithm specific on top? a bit like we have with the traversable
interface and related.
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modified and get
to the point we could reach that compromise. There will be the
oppositions for the features as a whole, however I am optimistic about
our abilities to get there this time rather than wait yet again a few
years for something we know we will have anyway.
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On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, 2:17 AM Pierre Joye wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, 1:35 AM Horváth V. wrote:
>
>> On 2022. 01. 03. 18:17, Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>> > Oh, that would be an issue. We can't use Cygwin builds; MinGW builds
>> > might be okayi
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, 1:35 AM Horváth V. wrote:
> On 2022. 01. 03. 18:17, Christoph M. Becker wrote:
> > Oh, that would be an issue. We can't use Cygwin builds; MinGW builds
> > might be okayish, though. ICU ships a VS solution file
> > (source/allinone/allinone.sln) which works fine. I don'
ity only, that'd be great. In that sense, I
much preferred specific RFC about `__equalsTo()` or `__compareTo()`
alone that a huge generic operator overload RFC. I think both could
actually be separated, it wouldn't be that weird.
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Le 03/01/2022 à 17:12, Larry Garfield a écrit :
On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, at 9:52 AM, Pierre wrote:
I personally tend to agree with everything that Marco said. Especially
regarding the fact that it's adding huge complexity to the language
itself for mostly edge cases.
I'd argue there&#
ools for improving the operator overload RFC).
I'm not against explicit method call, it's both readable and navigable,
whereas operator overload tend to magically hide what the code really does.
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e if you are interested.
>
I will definitely follow it and see what can be done in pickle to support
it as well as the legacy build system.
thank you for pushing it forward, much needed :)
best,
Pierre
On Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 8:02 PM Christoph M. Becker wrote:
> On 29.12.2021 at 13:38, Horváth V. wrote:
>
> > Just a quick update on this in between the holidays.
> >
> > There are indeed quite a few of the libraries provided in the php-src's
> > Windows SDK that are missing from Conan Center Index,
drop support for libmysql.
>
+1 too while the ones maintaining it may have something to say :)
P.S. one more point, IIRC License is not compatible
> with php one (GPL) despite there is a FOSS exception
> for Linux.
>
+libmysql, just in case :)
best,
Pierre
>
ng some helpers function about the current
stage the ext is in (root process or childs) but that will be painful
to do and port.
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On Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 5:24 AM Christoph M. Becker wrote:
> On 20.12.2021 at 23:01, Horváth V. wrote:
>
> > On 2021. 12. 20. 17:19, Pierre Joye wrote:
> >
> >> We may switch to vcpkg distributions, [...], or the current autoconf
> >> php js port works too.
>
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 5:02 AM Horváth V. wrote:
> On 2021. 12. 20. 17:19, Pierre Joye wrote:
> > We may switch to vcpkg distributions, [...], or the current autoconf
> > php js port works too.
>
> Could you elaborate on what you mean by these?
>
> The reason why I p
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 6:37 AM Andreas Hennings wrote:
>
> In a class Matrix, you might want to implement three variations of the
> * operator:
> - Matrix * Matrix = Matrix.
> - Matrix * float = Matrix.
> - Matrix * Vector = Vector.
> Same for other classes and operators:
> - Money / float = Money
On Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 10:23 PM Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote:
> Hi
>
> Den fre. 17. dec. 2021 kl. 01.09 skrev Horváth V. <
> friendlyan...@hotmail.com>:
> > Yes, gradually phasing the current build system out is the most
> > pragmatic choice, although it will incur some extra maintenance cost for
>
writing
some domain function shortcut.
That's my opinion and I don't if it worth a penny, but in my mind, an
operator is a function, and there's no reason that it'd be a different
thing.
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ar future so i would rather allow it
if libavinfo js available rather than bundling it.
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>
gt; nothing different from not searching?
>
I wonder what is the technical benefit from that?
I do feel we are moving to a strict typed language. If that is what is
desired, then let decide it clearly and move forward to rhst direction.
best,
Pierre
>
ild PHP on Windows[2],
> and at least some adaptions to newer PHP versions need to be done[3],
> and there is a PR for building for arm64[4], which may be rejected by
> Microsoft.
>
> Thoughts? Objections?
>
yes please.
And get ride of the CLA while being at it.
best,
Pierre
>
o accounts (I never did but should be
smooth :).
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e generally not available on other CI providers.
what we did for GD. Also adding arm is simple as the gh ci bot works on arm.
For ppc and other there is a gh bot port typescript and this is the one we
use. Only need to install it instead of gh one, gh website parts remain the
same.
Best,
Pierre
nice stuff, which deserve a nice presentation.
Regards,
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