[PHP-DEV] Re: VCS Account Request: bof

2016-11-20 Thread Patrick Schaaf
for asking, but I would no longer be good help, so better not start at all now. best regards Patrick On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Christoph M. Becker wrote: > On 05.01.2016 at 16:31, Patrick Schaaf wrote: > >> Help with mirror (infrastructure!) maintenance. Hannes Magnusson &g

[PHP-DEV] VCS Account Request: bof

2016-01-05 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Help with mirror (infrastructure!) maintenance. Hannes Magnusson indicated I\'d need a GIT account for that, Daniel Brown thinks I\'ll need web karma. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Preload scripts and preloaded scripts only options

2015-05-16 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 16.05.2015 16:32 schrieb "Johannes Schlüter" : > > That whitelist is called open_basedir. > http://php.net/manual/en/ini.core.php#ini.open-basedir Ahem. open_basedir is neither a list, nor is is restricted to restricting include/require, which is the topic Yasuo is musing to do something about.

RE: [PHP-DEV] Preload scripts and preloaded scripts only options

2015-05-16 Thread Patrick Schaaf
None of this whitelisting-by-filename would be practical for our setup. Have a look at what Smarty does with compiled templates and cached pages: PHP includes generated on the fly, with filenames that are not known in advance. For such usage a whitelisting per realpath prefix, would be the only rea

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Potential binary search optimization or feature

2015-04-14 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 14.04.2015 20:24 schrieb "Danylo Medinsky" : > > ... until I can determine how much performance will be compromised > from the sorting. Sorting at least has to look at each array element once, and execute the comparison function once. Compare that to a searching scan, which can terminate once i

Re: [PHP-DEV] Exception message cleanup

2015-04-09 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 09.04.2015 10:04 schrieb "Nikita Popov" : > > New message: > > UnexpectedValueException: Failed to open directory "" in %s on line %d >... > Essentially exceptions would display like ordinary error, but with "Fatal > error" / "Warning" / ... replaced by the exception name, and showing a > stack

Re: [PHP-DEV] What's our official stance on small self-contained additions in a micro version

2015-03-31 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 31.03.2015 22:45 schrieb "Rowan Collins" : > > - Up until the first release candidate of x.y.0, small features can be added to both the most recent live branch and the new branch being prepared for release (so, right now, 5.6.x and 7.0-pre; next summer, 7.0.x and 7.1-pre). > - Once a new x.y.0 r

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Nested enclosing returns

2015-03-22 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 21.03.2015 14:15 schrieb "Georges.L" : > > The main purpose, as the title say, is to have the possibility to nest > multiple return like we can do currently with break/continue. I think that is a complete nonstarter. Functions are reusable building blocks, designed to be called from various pla

Re: [PHP-DEV] To RFC or Not To RFC [was Re: [PHP-DEV] 回复: [RFC][DISCUSSION] Add preg_replace_callback_array function]

2015-03-22 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 22.03.2015 09:45 schrieb "Leigh" : > > On 22 March 2015 at 07:00, Patrick Schaaf wrote: >> >> Hmm. Is that really the line to be drawn? An RFC, by itself, provides a good point to spell out a change clearly, and anchor it for reference in discussion. Discussio

Re: [PHP-DEV] To RFC or Not To RFC [was Re: [PHP-DEV] 回复: [RFC][DISCUSSION] Add preg_replace_callback_array function]

2015-03-22 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 22.03.2015 02:30 schrieb "Leigh" : > > Yep, this does look like another case of simply ignoring rules. The fact > that what does and does not require an RFC does not help, this probably > didn't need one, however one was created and the rules need to be stuck to. Hmm. Is that really the line to

Re: [PHP-DEV] Inconsistencies in callable, call_user_func and direct variable calls

2015-03-19 Thread Patrick Schaaf
On Thursday 19 March 2015 18:17:50 S.A.N wrote: > > Then how would you write an callback containing an already constructed > > object? $a = [$object, 'method']; > > > > The alternative is unnecessarily cumbersome: > > $a = function($methodArg1, $methodArg2) use($object) { return > > $object->metho

[PHP-DEV] new wiki account / requesting RFC karma

2015-03-19 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Dear internals, I just registered my own php.net account, username "bof". This is the obligatory introduction mail I'm supposed to send :) TL;DR: I think I know what I'm doing, and currently I'm requesting RFC karma. I'm mainly working as a system administrator. As part of my job I'm supporting

[PHP-DEV] Re: PHP apache2handler virtual() function

2015-03-16 Thread Patrick Schaaf
On Monday 16 March 2015 10:31:46 Patrick Schaaf wrote: > > Furthermore, I have a working prototype of changing the behaviour of > virtual() in the following way: _remember_ which subrequest should be made, > but then only really make it when the current request ends (php_handle

[PHP-DEV] PHP apache2handler virtual() function

2015-03-16 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Hi, working on bug 68486 I had a look at the apache2handler virtual() function. This function, as vaguely documented, is intended to make an Apache subrequest, without terminating the currently running request, i.e. run whatever is behind a different URI (given as an argument to virtual(). The

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: SAPI apache2handler + pipelined HTTP request core dumps

2015-03-15 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 15.03.2015 11:20 schrieb "Patrick Schaaf" : > > Respin of my patch for https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=68486 is now available > as a gist here: > > https://gist.github.com/bof/15173c7a11cb12a7b96f > > Some comments on the respin are in the bug report at [2015-0

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: SAPI apache2handler + pipelined HTTP request core dumps

2015-03-15 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Respin of my patch for https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=68486 is now available as a gist here: https://gist.github.com/bof/15173c7a11cb12a7b96f Some comments on the respin are in the bug report at [2015-03-15 10:17 UTC] Debug cruft has been removed, and as far as my brain can make out this is no

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: SAPI apache2handler + pipelined HTTP request core dumps

2015-03-14 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Possible patch for the issue at https://gist.github.com/bof/15173c7a11cb12a7b96f with an explanatory comment in the bug report https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=68486 at [2015-03-14 10:34 UTC] Have a nice weekend Patrick -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe,

Re: [PHP-DEV] SAPI apache2handler + pipelined HTTP request core dumps

2015-03-13 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 13.03.2015 18:26 schrieb "Bostjan Skufca" : > > If we create unconditional php_server_context_cleanup() call at the beginning of php_request(), would that be out of order? Does it remove also all context-dependent configuration? That's exactly what my Minipatch (addition of "1 ||") is doing. T

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: SAPI apache2handler + pipelined HTTP request core dumps

2015-03-13 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 13.03.2015 18:18 schrieb "Jan Ehrhardt" : > > >https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=68486 > > echo -e "GET /test.php HTTP/1.1\nHost: localhost\n\n \ > GET /test.php HTTP/1.1\nHost: localhost\n\n"|nc localhost 80 > > Are you running opcache? I tried to reproduce the bug on a Centos6 box, > Apa

Re: [PHP-DEV] SAPI apache2handler + pipelined HTTP request core dumps

2015-03-13 Thread Patrick Schaaf
On Tuesday 10 March 2015 10:26:12 Patrick Schaaf wrote: > > https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=68486 Meanwhile I did some more debugging, today also testing with a freshly compiled current apache 2.4.12. The issue persists. As it does not always coredump, but always uncontrollably reent

Re: [PHP-DEV] static constructor

2015-03-12 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 12.03.2015 20:12 schrieb "Dan Ackroyd" : > > Patrick Schaaf wrote: > > But that has proven, in the past, a fountain of joy wrt. > > placement, with variations needed for APC and opcache, and general frustration > > all around. > > Is there a bug report

Re: [PHP-DEV] static constructor

2015-03-12 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 12.03.2015 18:56 schrieb "Rowan Collins" : > > Johannes Ott wrote on 12/03/2015 17:05: > So doing a null check each time is a overhead of calculation which can be avoided with this static constructor pattern. >>> >>> Presumably the engine would need to perform some implicit equiva

Re: [PHP-DEV] static constructor

2015-03-12 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 12.03.2015 17:28 schrieb "Larry Garfield" : > > I thought it sounded familiar. Also check the list archive for "A modest proposal: __constructStatic" from a month ago. It was rejected then, too. That proposal was about a completely different issue. But you are right, it was dismissed using t

Re: [PHP-DEV] static constructor

2015-03-12 Thread Patrick Schaaf
On Thursday 12 March 2015 00:10:15 Rowan Collins wrote: > On 11/03/2015 23:21, Johannes Ott wrote: > > > The purpose of this suggestion is to introduce a static constructor, > > which is called before the first call to class either static or > > non-static to initialize some static properties which

Re: [PHP-DEV] static constructor

2015-03-12 Thread Patrick Schaaf
On Thursday 12 March 2015 00:21:34 Johannes Ott wrote: > > The purpose of this suggestion is to introduce a static constructor, > which is called before the first call to class either static or > non-static to initialize some static properties which are needed by the > class. We are doing this in

[PHP-DEV] SAPI apache2handler + pipelined HTTP request core dumps

2015-03-10 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Dear internals, can somebody knowledgeable about the apache2handler code, please have a look at the following bug report? https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=68486 I just added a comment with a hotfix that appears to work at first glance, but I'm completely unsure whether that will result in memor

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Anonymous Classes

2015-03-06 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 06.03.2015 20:14 schrieb "Philip Sturgeon" : > > Right, this here RFC has been drastically improved. > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/anonymous_classes > > Anyone got any doubts or troubles at this point? Can we / could we do "extends self", "extends static", or even "extends $someclassname" ? The

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC Discuss] Generator Delegation

2015-03-01 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 02.03.2015 00:52 schrieb "Daniel Lowrey" : > > I'd like to initiate discussion on a proposal to implement generator > delegation via the following new syntax inside generator functions: > > yield * > > The Generator Delegation RFC is available here: > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/generator-de

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Expectations

2015-02-28 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 28.02.2015 19:32 schrieb "Crypto Compress" : > > class BankAccount { > function Add($amount) { > assert($amount > 0); > // ... code block ... > } > } > > Now the programmer implementing "code block" to gracefully handle $amount > 0 has a problem. There is no way to (Unit)

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Expectations

2015-02-20 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 20.02.2015 09:47 schrieb "Joe Watkins" : > > Also, we don't optimize those away, it would not be sensible, because it's > not sensible to deploy those catch blocks in the first place. So, do they become FATAL with production settings? Ideally a parse error (ideally, because then my ordinary syn

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] Exceptions in the engine

2015-02-19 Thread Patrick Schaaf
One question just popped up in my mind: what happens if there is a global error handler in place that rethrows errors as exceptions. I heard such a thing suggested pretty often. If not parse errors and other engine errors get thrown as exceptions and are unhandled as such, and that error handler th

Re: [PHP-DEV] A modest proposal: __contructStatic

2015-02-15 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 16.02.2015 02:40 schrieb "Kris Craig" : > > I've never really done any work with Redis before so I'm also having trouble understanding the use case for this given that everybody's talking about this solely in the context of Redis. Ahem, it's not everbody, just me :) And the issue comes up in th

Re: [PHP-DEV] A modest proposal: __contructStatic

2015-02-15 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 16.02.2015 00:05 schrieb "Rowan Collins" : > > A quick thought - if you want to stick with the "magic static call" pattern, you can implement this much more simply by doing something similar to Laravel's "facades" [1]: >... > This basically implements in userspace what you propose to add to the

Re: [PHP-DEV] A modest proposal: __contructStatic

2015-02-15 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 15.02.2015 23:34 schrieb "Rowan Collins" : > >> You can surely see how this is more readable / easier to write: >> >> $value = MyRedir::get($key); >> > Actually, no, I find that harder to read accurately - there is no clue there that there is actually a singleton under the hood, and that this is

Re: [PHP-DEV] A modest proposal: __contructStatic

2015-02-15 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 15.02.2015 21:05 schrieb "Rowan Collins" : > > This sounds to me like you should just be using the Singleton pattern, Of course this is singleton under the hood. > // Now wherever in the code you want the default instance, just use this: > $value = MyRedis::singleton()->get($key); You can sur

[PHP-DEV] A modest proposal: __contructStatic

2015-02-15 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Hello Internals, seeing the static calling of instance methods being discussed again, I want to ask whether the following idea would maybe have a chance? In our codebase we have one set of classes where it was very useful to be able to call the same methods both statically and nonstatically: a se

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][DISCUSSION] Script only includes

2015-02-11 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Hi, another one of my weird ideas: what about a script signing mode? - ini setting containing a HMAC key - first

Re: [PHP-DEV] Design by Contract

2015-02-10 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 10.02.2015 12:45 schrieb "Alexander Lisachenko" : > > DbC is good thing, but the way you want to do this via language changes is > really awful. Why do you want to add more custom features into the > language, instead of providing an API to extend it in a more natural way by > framework develope

Re: [PHP-DEV] Design by Contract

2015-02-10 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 10.02.2015 09:29 schrieb "Dmitry Stogov" : > > I cnahged $> into $ret, because $> just won't work. Some better solution is welcome. Also think $> would be awful. Don't like $ret either. What about a magic constant __RETURN__ or __RESULT__? This would stand out very well when glancing at the exp

Re: [PHP-DEV] Design by Contract

2015-02-09 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 10.02.2015 08:25 schrieb "Yasuo Ohgaki" : > >> 5) and a bit off-topic, it would be useful to be able to declare (sic) whole methods to be nonproduction only: Methods that will only be used in pre/post/invariant condition expresions (or error formatters a la my point 4) > > Do you mean enable DbC

Re: [PHP-DEV] Design by Contract

2015-02-09 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 10.02.2015 08:08 schrieb "Yasuo Ohgaki" : > > One reason I would like to use __invariant() is to allow overriding parents. > I think we should have way for it, but I don't have good idea now. > I'm still thinking. Hmm, Idea... Imagine the require keyword, in the context of classes, as an altern

Re: [PHP-DEV] Design by Contract

2015-02-09 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 10.02.2015 07:25 schrieb "Yasuo Ohgaki" : > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/dbc2 First of all, thanks for your effort so far. Some questions, after reading the RFC, with no particular order: 1) Regarding invariants: those will be called for method calls on objects. What about static class methods?

[PHP-DEV] I declare declare to be useful... potentially...

2015-02-08 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 08.02.2015 03:39 schrieb "Rasmus Lerdorf" : > > Basically declare() does not respect function scope, but it doesn't let > you know that. There is a reason we haven't used declare() for anything > real. That is absolutely awful. But it's a fault with declare. Can't that be fixed once and for all

Re: [PHP-DEV] Design by Contract

2015-02-05 Thread Patrick Schaaf
On Thursday 05 February 2015 15:14:04 Dmitry Stogov wrote: > > function foo() > requre() > ensure() > { > ... > } > > It would require only one new reserved word "ensure". Regarding syntax This could be another place where the irrationally- dreaded declare would make sense: functio

Re: [PHP-DEV] Design by Contract

2015-02-05 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 05.02.2015 12:14 schrieb "Dmitry Stogov" : > > For php it may look like the following: > > function foo() > require() > ensure() > { > ... > } > > It would require only one new reserved word "ensure". How would one access the function return value in the output-assert-expression? And

Re: [PHP-DEV] Use "caller" keyword, to access object caller.

2015-02-01 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 01.02.2015 01:15 schrieb "S.A.N" : > > $holder->object->call($holder); The way I solve this in the very few places (*) where it makes sense, is to use __call in the holder class to implement forwarding methods that pass on the holder object reference. The member property is NOT exposed. Call w

Re: [PHP-DEV] How does the PHP Ghost one-liner work

2015-01-30 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 30.01.2015 20:09 schrieb "Leigh" : > > Well, I guess in theory we should be limiting the size of input to > gethostbyname to 255 characters. Yeah, but in theory the C library gethostbyname() should do the same... There will be a lot of things that could be checked up-front instead of relying on

Re: [PHP-DEV] How does the PHP Ghost one-liner work?

2015-01-30 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 30.01.2015 19:43 schrieb "Robert Williams" : > > % php -r '$e="0";for($i=0;$i<2500;$i++){$e="0$e";} gethostbyname($e);’ What a funny way to say gethostbyname(str_repeat("0", 2501)); > does this indicate any problems with PHP? No. best regards Patrick

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Skipping parameters take 2

2015-01-16 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 14.01.2015 20:50 schrieb "Simon J Welsh" : > > >create_query("deleted=0", "name", _, _, true); > > > > Still not sure if it's better than `default`, though. > > That would be a BC break as you can currently have a constant _. A visually pleasing (IMO), even easier to type, and non-BC altern

Re: [PHP-DEV] JSON HASHDOS

2014-12-24 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Hi all, Am 24.12.2014 10:47 schrieb "Yasuo Ohgaki" : > > On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Pierre Joye wrote: > > > I do not see how it solves the problem. It only reduces it, slightly. > > Having a couple of medium instances generating crafted requests will > > just have the same effect. So far t

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][VOTE] Objects as Keys

2014-12-16 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 16.12.2014 12:36 schrieb "Matteo Beccati" : > > On 16/12/2014 11:52, Andrea Faulds wrote: >> >> I was previously in favour of this, but it’d prevent actual indexing >> by objects in future, and I can’t think of any use cases which aren’t >> better solved by explicitly converting to a string/inte

RE: [PHP-DEV] On the road to PHP 5.7 , or not ?

2014-12-15 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 15.12.2014 20:43 schrieb "Zeev Suraski" : > > The extra pain associated with migrating to an interim > version - that does nothing but spew warnings in the right places -and > obviously doesn't have any of the other features of 7 - doesn't seem to be a > worthwhile experience for most users. I

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Only variables can be passed by reference

2014-12-06 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 06.12.2014 04:04 schrieb "Yasuo Ohgaki" : > > $top = array_pop(f2()); > > is better than > > $v = f2(); > $top = array_pop($v); > > Is there anyone who likes latter? It is bad practise either way, having poor f2() build up a whole array that is then immediately thrown away. The second case is w

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Static classes (Was Abstract final classes)

2014-12-01 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 01.12.2014 17:37 schrieb "Rowan Collins" : > > guilhermebla...@gmail.com wrote on 01/12/2014 15:27: > >> (1) Function/Namespaced function autoloading >> (2) State encapsulation >> (3) Function scoping > I would add (4) static polymorphism, which Late Static Binding explicitly supports. Amen!

Re: [PHP-DEV] New function: spl_object_id() or spl_object_handle()

2014-11-28 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 28.11.2014 20:23 schrieb "Bostjan Skufca" : > > On 28 November 2014 at 04:10, reeze wrote: > > > Won't `$obj1 === $obj2` work for you ? > Think of it like this: > - in file bootstrap.php I see this object initialized and passed somewhere > - in file view.phtml I receive the object of the same

Re: [PHP-DEV] New function: spl_object_id() or spl_object_handle()

2014-11-28 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 28.11.2014 15:46 schrieb "Ferenc Kovacs" : > > from a quick test using spl_object_hash seems to be the slower with big number of elements in haystack. Your test only does the is-it-known test once. For an already-visited-set use case the test will run once for each visited element, and will usu

Re: [PHP-DEV] New function: spl_object_id() or spl_object_handle()

2014-11-28 Thread Patrick Schaaf
On Friday 28 November 2014 14:51:55 Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > > I also used spl_object_hash() in the past when traversing/custom > serializing object structures which can have infinite recursions between > objects, but even that could be simply solved by storing the already > traversed objects in an

[PHP-DEV] Session Lazy Write (was Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.6.3 is available)

2014-11-14 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Yasuo, Am 15.11.2014 02:27 schrieb "Yasuo Ohgaki" : > > I've asked this issue on this list and there wasn't much opinion. > I'm rather put the feature in PHP 7, since 3d party session save handler module need to > adopt new API to get most out of it. > > Since master has new code, I'll prepare new

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.6.3 is available

2014-11-13 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Hello, there was discussion, one or two weeks ago, about session module changes being reverted to counter regressions with some session handler locking issues. As I experienced slowdown probably related to that when testing 5.6.2 recently (using memcache session handler), I'm curious: are these fi

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Using objects as keys

2014-10-27 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 27.10.2014 08:09 schrieb "Stas Malyshev" : > > > I don't like this, mainly because it blocks a future direct use and storage > > of objects as keys in an array, i.e. what SplObjectStorage does. > > It does not. It just allows the objects to control how they are seen > when they are used as keys

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Using objects as keys

2014-10-26 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 27.10.2014 02:37 schrieb "Stas Malyshev" : > > I would like to present to your attention an RFC about using object as keys: > >https://wiki.php.net/rfc/objkey I don't like this, mainly because it blocks a future direct use and storage of objects as keys in an array, i.e. what SplObjectStorage d

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Readonly Properties

2014-10-24 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 24.10.2014 01:36 schrieb "Andrea Faulds" : > > Here’s another RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/readonly_properties +1 for the general feature, I'd love to have that available. I have an idea regarding the additional keyword, with a small implication (improvement) to the functionality provided, bu

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Exceptions in the engine

2014-10-10 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Looking at the list of fatal errors Nikita classified as not suitable for converting to exceptions, I'd like to take exception : ) with two of them: I would love to be able to catch, at toplevel. with an error handler or otherwise, both the memory limits exceeded and time limit exceeded cases. Th

Re: [PHP-DEV] Invokation on __toString() for object used as array key

2014-09-24 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 24.09.2014 22:01 schrieb "Andrea Faulds" : > > Now, if we were to add actual object key support, that I might like. But if we’re going to keep with just integers and strings, I’d much prefer to just support __toString here. I think users are smart enough to understand that PHP arrays only have s

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Loop... or...

2014-09-20 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 21.09.2014 02:22 schrieb "Sara Golemon" : > > > It would also mean having to make { default block } into an > > expression... with a return value (to be allowed on either side of the > > boolean or) > > > Excellent point, a block only works with T_OR if it has a value. I'm > pretty sure that at

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE][RFC] Null Coalesce Operator

2014-09-20 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 20.09.2014 01:35 schrieb "Andrea Faulds" : > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/isset_ternary#vote Hi, got a question after being bitten my the issue yesterday in the context of the "@yadda ?: 'default'" form yesterday: What about yadda that results, at the moment, in fatal errors?? Things like stati

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE][RFC] Scalar Type Hinting with Cast

2014-09-15 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Hello, thinking a bit again on the whole topic, which I thought I was pretty much completely opposed to because of the arbitrary-new-set-of-rules issue in die validation details, I noticed that from my writing PHP code, there _is_ a single thing that I really _would_ like to be able to express as

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.6 frontpage links funny on php.net + mirrors

2014-08-29 Thread Patrick Schaaf
On Friday 29 August 2014 11:59:50 Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > in the meantime, could you please report a bug about this, so that we won't > forget it (and there is a chance that somebody else can also help figuring > out what's happening here). https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=67931

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.6 frontpage links funny on php.net + mirrors

2014-08-29 Thread Patrick Schaaf
On Friday 29 August 2014 10:57:57 Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > > Apart from that: the link for "Variadic functions" (second bullet in the > > main features announcement),leads to manual lookup because > > "function.arguments.php doesn't exist" > > > > http://php.net/functions.arguments.php#functions

[PHP-DEV] PHP 5.6 frontpage links funny on php.net + mirrors

2014-08-29 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Hi, just noticed that the PHP 5.6 related links on the php.net frontpage of mirrors, all point back to http://php.net/ instead of pointing to the respective mirror. Is that intentional? Apart from that: the link for "Variadic functions" (second bullet in the main features announcement),leads t

Re: [PHP-DEV] Remove generated VM from git?

2014-08-27 Thread Patrick Schaaf
On Tuesday 26 August 2014 21:30:16 Andrea Faulds wrote: > > Why would a non-internals person want to build PHP from git? That’s just > making things harder on themselves. I disagree. The build environment I scripted together for myself, initializes a build tree (php-src and various extensions)

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Scalar Type Hinting With Casts (re-opening)

2014-07-24 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Hi, there is, it seems, something missing from both the RFC and the discussion, as far as I read it. Sorry if it came up before, it was a huge amount of mails... How does the proposal affect method compatibility between subclasses and baseclasses? Will two methods there, differing in the scal

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Scalar Type Hinting With Casts (re-opening)

2014-07-24 Thread Patrick Schaaf
> The argument saying that it is not the PHP way is somehow incorrect > here, given that we already do that for classe. The type jungling > makes sense in implementations, as it always was but argument passing > and validation have been a source of pain since very long. I could > imagine one excep

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Expectations

2013-10-21 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 21.10.2013 03:52 schrieb "Joe Watkins" : > > So looks like we need a new name ?? Ideas ?? abstract EXPRESSION abstract is already a keyword, so no BC. abstract is not concrete so alludes a bit to the might-be-or-might-not-be-checked nature of the test abstract is the name for the "short summ

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Anonymous Classes

2013-09-26 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 26.09.2013 12:16 schrieb "Joe Watkins" : > For the following reasons the syntax should remain as it is: > > It is consistent with anonymous function calls - args after definition ... I think it is exceedingly rare for anynomous functions to be called at their point of definition, while

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Anonymous Classes

2013-09-26 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 26.09.2013 11:29 schrieb "Nicolas Grekas" : > Btw, I can't get used to ($val) beeing at the end of the declaration. I > feel it very confusing. I feel the same. Couldn't this (constructor arguments) be moved? $that = new class(/* constructor args */) /* extends X implements Y */ { ... class bo

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Anonymous Classes

2013-09-23 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 23.09.2013 16:06 schrieb "Joe Watkins" : > > On 09/23/2013 02:43 PM, Lars Strojny wrote: >> >> what about serialization for those classes? > > Same as any other object; what you are creating is normal classes without a (declared) name, nothing about the objects functionality has differs from an

Re: [PHP-DEV] Wake up

2013-09-11 Thread Patrick Schaaf
On Wednesday 11 September 2013 15:00:33 Daniel Basten wrote: > cite: "I hope this is a joke." > > i guess that is the stuff they where talking about. Yeah. A forum would be much better, this whole thread could just be moderated shut and invisible after the first message. Also a forum would avoi

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Constant Scalar Expressions

2013-08-16 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 16.08.2013 01:42 schrieb "Stas Malyshev" : > > But this is not the most tricky part. The most tricky part is this: > if(true) return; > class Foo { > const halfpie = M_PI/2; > } > > Now what happens if this is implemented as an opcode? We can't run any > opcodes past return statement, but Foo is

RE: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Constant Scalar Expressions

2013-08-14 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 14.08.2013 13:03 schrieb "Derick Rethans" : > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2013, Patrick Schaaf wrote: > > > Would this allow using constants, too? Class constants? > > > > const FOO = 1; > > const BAR = self::FOO + 1; > > Those are not constants, but exp

RE: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Constant Scalar Expressions

2013-08-13 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Would this allow using constants, too? Class constants? const FOO = 1; const BAR = self::FOO + 1; const BAZ = self::FOO + 2; const BARF = GLOBAL_BARF; const IMPORT = otherclass::IMPORT; // with autoloading? In my opinion these would start to make the feature useful. Even more useful, but probabl

Re: [PHP-DEV] New feature: sequential constructors

2013-07-03 Thread Patrick Schaaf
For what it's worth, some time ago I prototyped something like that, without modifying the language, in the form of a "Universal" class that you may inherit from without defining __contruct/__destruct yourself. See class definition below. In a using class (herarchy) define static methods _pre_i

Re: [PHP-DEV] PR 287 - added use_keys argument to array_filter() [Discussion]

2013-06-18 Thread Patrick Schaaf
> var_dump(array_filter(['foo', '', 'bar'], 'strlen', true)); > > Warning: strlen() expects exactly 1 parameter, 2 given in - on line 1 > > Not only do we trigger the error handler (a large enough array causes a > performance issue), but we also get back an empty array as a result. That's > BC and

Re: [PHP-DEV] date.timezone E_WARNING -- Really necessary? What's the rationale?

2013-05-24 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 24.05.2013 18:45 schrieb "Derick Rethans" : > > On Fri, 24 May 2013, Leszek Krupiński wrote: > > > I was wondering - why not get time zone info from operating system? It's > > should be quite easy on both *nixes and Windows. That way default value would > > be "from operating system", with possi

Re: [PHP-DEV] Continued try blocks

2013-04-26 Thread Patrick Schaaf
On Friday 26 April 2013 16:41:17 Julien Pauli wrote: > *try {* > * foo();* > * bar();* > * baz();* > *} catch (SomeException $e) {* > *dosomestuff();* > *continue; /* Here is the feature, go back to try block */* > *} catch (Exception $e) {* > *dosomething();* > *}* >... > So, i

Re: [PHP-DEV] __invokeStatic() method

2013-03-19 Thread Patrick Schaaf
On Tuesday 19 March 2013 02:54:19 Bruno CHALOPIN wrote: > Now I don't see why in the world a class and a function could share the same name. Well, for one, I might have code like this: class Foo { public static the_usual() { static $instance; if (!isset($

Re: [PHP-DEV] Zend Optimizer+ Source Code now available

2013-02-14 Thread Patrick Schaaf
On Thursday 14 February 2013 10:24:22 Stas Malyshev wrote: > > For most scripts, optimizations are not really worth it unless you run > the same code over and over, so for CLI it would be noticeable only if > you run long-running CPU-intensive server. Apart from the long-running servers, there is

Re: [PHP-DEV] FILTER_VALIDATE_INT and +0/-0

2013-02-04 Thread Patrick Schaaf
> +0 and -0 don't make sense for integers, where there is only 0. Allowing > only 0 was on purpose. +0 and -0 are accepted by sscanf('%d'), intval(), and (int). +0 is produced by sprintf('%+d') Thus, the change to FILTER_VALIDATE_INT seems to make sense. best regards Patrick -- PHP Internal

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Deprecate and remove calls from incompatible context (example of real usage that will break)

2013-01-29 Thread Patrick Schaaf
On Monday 28 January 2013 21:46:27 Stas Malyshev wrote: > > I understand that there's a tendency to use OO as > a neat way to namespace global functions and autoload them, but that's > not how it is supposed to work. I've seen that sentiment against using static methods several times now, and it a

Re: [PHP-DEV] - True Annotations

2013-01-09 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Regarding syntax... Would this work? <|foo|> <|bar( <|baz|> )|> best regards Patrick -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Alternative typehinting syntax for accessors

2013-01-06 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Was it considered to augment type hinting syntax - both in parameter lists and for the hinted property RFC - to permit giving multiple types at once? public DateTime|DateTimeImmutable $refdate; public Foo|NULL $object; // the issue discussed in the previous msgs function bar(array|string $arg) ...

Re: [PHP-DEV] Crashes in lex_scan at Zend/zend_language_scanner.c / BUG #52752

2012-12-21 Thread Patrick Schaaf
> I understood you correctly using temp file and then rename should fix > that? Like this? > >> file_put_contents('test.tpl.tmp', " mt_rand(4000, 5000))." ?>\n", LOCK_EX); > rename('test.tpl.tmp','test.tpl'); Exactly! You could also do it like this: $tmpname = 'test.tpl.tmp.'.p

Re: [PHP-DEV] Crashes in lex_scan at Zend/zend_language_scanner.c / BUG #52752

2012-12-21 Thread Patrick Schaaf
On Friday 21 December 2012 10:41:59 Jani Ollikainen wrote: > > So, my conclusion would be that it is the code snippet above, and not any > > part of PHP or the kernel, that is at fault. > > Oh? Did I understand you correctly? If you can code PHP that crashes > PHP, it's that codes fault not PHP's

Re: [PHP-DEV] Crashes in lex_scan at Zend/zend_language_scanner.c / BUG #52752

2012-12-21 Thread Patrick Schaaf
On Thursday 20 December 2012 23:23:43 Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > > > Is include supposed to take a LOCK_EX somehow? I can neither see that in > > php- src (5.4.9) nor APC-trunk, doing a cursory grepping. > > I'm not sure how any lock would help, since locks are optional, meaning > you still can

Re: [PHP-DEV] Crashes in lex_scan at Zend/zend_language_scanner.c / BUG #52752

2012-12-20 Thread Patrick Schaaf
On Thursday 20 December 2012 10:40:32 Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > > > > if ($argv[1] > 0) { > > > >while ($argv[1]--) file_put_contents('test.tpl', " > > > #".str_repeat('A', mt_rand(4000, 5000))." ?>\n", LOCK_EX); > > } else { > > > >$p2 = popen("sapi/cli/php -n test3.php 100", "r");

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Property Accessors v1.2 : Internal Accessor Method Visibility / Callability

2012-11-19 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 19.11.2012 16:41 schrieb "Nikita Popov" : > > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Patrick Schaaf wrote: > >> class ... { >> no methodname(); >>// or >> no $property; >> } >> > Removing methods from an extending class is an LSP viol

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Property Accessors v1.2 : Internal Accessor Method Visibility / Callability

2012-11-14 Thread Patrick Schaaf
On Wednesday 14 November 2012 16:35:31 Nikita Popov wrote: > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Clint Priest wrote: > > Been AWOL for a while and getting back to this, doesn't seem like any > > resolution has occurred, just the conversation has died down. > > I got the feeling that in the last few

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Property Accessors v1.2 : Internal Accessor Method Visibility / Callability

2012-10-31 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Nikita, your examples convinced me that a strict "accessor methods as specialized __get/__set semantics" approach is undesirable. To recapitulate your two examples: Example 1: class A { public $foo; } class B extends A { public $foo { get() { ...} } } Example 2: class A { public $foo {

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Property Accessors v1.2 : Internal Accessor Method Visibility / Callability

2012-10-28 Thread Patrick Schaaf
Am 28.10.2012 02:42 schrieb "Clint Priest" : > > Sounds like you're implying that the mere existence of a properly named function such as __prop_get_hours() would cause it to be called instead of returning the property. Only when the property does not exist, just like it is with __get > 1) Curren

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Property Accessors v1.2 : Internal Accessor Method Visibility / Callability

2012-10-27 Thread Patrick Schaaf
On Saturday 27 October 2012 13:05:27 Clint Priest wrote: > That's why I think they shouldn't even be visible to users, they aren't > relevant to them and in fact it could mis-lead them into thinking that > they could simply define __getHours() and expect $foo->Hours to call > it, which it wouldn't.

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