Hello,
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Bob Weinand wrote:
> false. It's like unset($setValue) && unset($undefined).
>
> I've clarified this in the RFC; thank you.
>
> Bob Weinand
>
> Am 06.03.2013 um 22:24 schrieb "Steve Clay" :
>
>> On 3/6/13 4:10 PM, Bob Weinand wrote:
>>> https://wiki.php.net
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:47 PM, Anthony Ferrara wrote:
> Florin
>
>> Would you run PHP against 10k+ req/s in production without opcode caching?
>> On how many machines without / with?
>
>
> I'm not sure about your stack, but every stack I've seen at that high of a
> load is built very custom for
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Levi Morrison wrote:
>> A huge, out of the box, speed bump for production machines.
>
> For some applications PHP 5.4 was a huge speed bump out of the box . . .
Would you run PHP against 10k+ req/s in production without opcode caching?
On how many machines withou
> I've read all the e-mails so far and there are valid points from both
> parts but it seems there's a critical thing missing.
>
> What do PHP users want?
>
> I mean, what do sysadmins, programmers and managers want from PHP 5.5?
>
> Here's my personal opinion:
>
> I work in an enterprise so... I w
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> On 02/28/2013 11:34 AM, Anthony Ferrara wrote:
>> Zeev,
>>
>> No syntax changes, so regular majority as far as I can tell.
>>
>>
>> However, it does nuke several existing PECL extensions (some fatally). For
>> example, XDebug has no compati
Hello,
See the reply inline:
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Nils Andre wrote:
> Hi Everyone on the list, I have no RFC Karma here so far, so I post this to
> the list at first. There has been ongoing discussion about new APIs and so
> fort, so this is a suggestion for language cleanup by Autob
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Florin Razvan Patan
wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Christopher Jones
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 02/21/2013 03:02 AM, Florian Anderiasch wrote:
>>>
>>> On 02/21/2013 08:14 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
>>>
>>
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Christopher Jones
wrote:
>
>
> On 02/21/2013 03:02 AM, Florian Anderiasch wrote:
>>
>> On 02/21/2013 08:14 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
>>
>>> I do not have a single doubt. Why? Surveys are one of many ways to get
>>> feedback. They have no contracting values but give us
Hello,
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> In the slice of the "community" where I spend most of my time,
> medium-to-large companies using PHP with their own custom code on
> hundreds to thousands or even 10's of thousands of servers, neither
> annotations nor getter/setter
Hello,
This might sound as a rant but I assure you it's not.
It's just how I see the things from my perspective and that of
my colleagues/employer.
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Zeev Suraski wrote:
> What you're bringing up is not at all about adapting. Adapting is
> something we do at the
Hi Paul,
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Paul Reinheimer wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> My apologies for the intrusion, I'll keep this brief.
>
> In many discussions over the past few months there has been talk about what
> the community at large needs. Pierre said just earlier today:
>
> "I would also s
Sandy,
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Sanford Whiteman
wrote:
>> Classes always should be declared with class keyword, because there could
>> be ambiguity whether it's class, interface or trait.
>
> If only inner classes are allowed in a given PHP version, there's no
> ambiguity about whether
Hello,
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Klaus Ufo wrote:
> Hi there !
>
> We all know that the current PHP API has flaws. Maybe we could use namespaces
> to build a new coherent PHP API ? Like :
>
> - \arr
> - \num
> - \str
>
> and so on. Advantages :
>
> - no more global functions
I actually l
Hello,
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Sara Golemon wrote:
> Opening RFC to allow trailing comma in function call argument lists
>
> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/trailing-comma-function-args
>
As a person who deals with code reviews from many programmers
each day, I'd have to say this would be conf
Hello,
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Levi Morrison wrote:
> There's already been an overwhelming negative reaction to this
> particular proposed syntax so I won't belabor the point much. In
> short, this is too similar to block statements and does have BC
> issues.
>
> --
>
> IF (and I stress
Hello,
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Marcello Duarte wrote:
> Inspired by Sara, here is another RFC, I finally got around to draft:
>
> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/short-syntax-for-anonymous-function
>
> Please feedback,
> --
> Marcello Duarte
>
I really don't like syntax for this. It makes it h
Thank you for this great initiative!
As a user, I could definitely wait for 2-3 more months and get
a good implementation/integration of this rather that have to
wait for at least one year.
I think it would also be nice if this could come as default
enabled since this way people would be able to
To Zeev and the rest of internals,
I know this will be a long e-mail but I'm not a guy who goes to conferences
(I don't have money for that), I've been into seven companies until now,
each with various use cases for PHP and I'm trying to contribute to some
open source projects from PHP scene.
You
Hi,
Everyone here forgets that there's a little certification
run by some guys named Zend that factor in some of
these things as well.
That's the point of not having consistency? Checking
if some have better memory that others?
Also, I suppose that everyone can afford to look up
things on the P
Hello,
I'm not sure if it could be considered as a feature but what about these
RFCs:
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/error-optimizations
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/grisu3-strtod
Some of them have been opened for some time now.
Also, wouldn't a cleanup of the current RFC listed for PHP help out in the
Hi Arvids,
This is exactly what I've stated yesterday here, you can read it
at http://news.php.net/php.internals/64820 but I've yet to receive
an answer for it.
The problem is that someone will actually need to implement the
whole thing again, in C, again, and it's going to be painful (again).
This could be very well be off-topic but I think it is something that
someone has to say it at some point. Don't worry, there's a vision
in there, near the end of this, please just have the patience of
reading this as a part rant, part wish :)
You all speak about new things, better userland co
Hello,
After a talk on the Symfony framework here:
https://github.com/symfony/symfony/issues/5911
Long story short, the point that @Seldaek suggestion to have a common
interface for loggers
actually makes sense and the best way to have it would be to have PHP
include it by default.
I'm not sure
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