Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] PHP 8.3 deprecations

2023-05-28 Thread Go Kudo
2023年5月29日(月) 15:05 Máté Kocsis : > Hi Everyone, > > Together with multiple authors, we'd like to start the discussion of the > usual > deprecation RFC for the subsequent PHP version. You can find the link > below: > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecations_php_8_3 > > Regards: > Máté Kocsis > Hi.

[PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] PHP 8.3 deprecations

2023-05-28 Thread Máté Kocsis
Hi Everyone, Together with multiple authors, we'd like to start the discussion of the usual deprecation RFC for the subsequent PHP version. You can find the link below: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecations_php_8_3 Regards: Máté Kocsis

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC [Concept] - Interface Properties

2023-05-28 Thread Erick de Azevedo Lima
As others have said: the interface/contract makes available public stuff that is what the implementers will make available. So it should not matter if those are methods or properties. In the case of a public property, the difference from the method-only approach is that it's already implicit that t

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC [Concept] - Interface Properties

2023-05-28 Thread David Gebler
On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 5:03 PM Larry Garfield wrote: > On another level, I'd redefine properties and methods slightly. (Public) > Properties are not "raw data" but "aspects of the object I can manipulate" > and methods are "behaviors I can ask the object to perform." > I just wanted to pull ou

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC [Concept] - Interface Properties

2023-05-28 Thread Larry Garfield
On Sun, May 28, 2023, at 6:52 AM, David Gebler wrote: > On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 10:33 AM Rowan Tommins > wrote: > >> I don't follow. If a property is public, then code outside the class can >> rely on being able to access it. That seems to me to be a contract between >> the class and its users, no

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC [Concept] - Interface Properties

2023-05-28 Thread Andreas Heigl
Hey all On 28.05.23 13:52, David Gebler wrote: On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 10:33 AM Rowan Tommins wrote: I don't follow. If a property is public, then code outside the class can rely on being able to access it. That seems to me to be a contract between the class and its users, not an implementati

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC [Concept] - Interface Properties

2023-05-28 Thread Deleu
On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 8:21 AM Jorg Sowa wrote: > Hello, > > I agree with David's statement: > > So yes anyay, my view is that between interfaces as we have them today, > > traits and abstract classes, there isn't a problem which needs to be > solved > > by now allowing properties on interfaces,

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC [Concept] - Interface Properties

2023-05-28 Thread David Gebler
On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 10:33 AM Rowan Tommins wrote: > I don't follow. If a property is public, then code outside the class can > rely on being able to access it. That seems to me to be a contract between > the class and its users, not an implementation detail - e.g. removing the > property, or

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC [Concept] - Interface Properties

2023-05-28 Thread Jorg Sowa
Hello, I agree with David's statement: > So yes anyay, my view is that between interfaces as we have them today, > traits and abstract classes, there isn't a problem which needs to be solved > by now allowing properties on interfaces, but it would open up a likelihood > of encouraging things which

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC [Concept] - Interface Properties

2023-05-28 Thread Rowan Tommins
On 28 May 2023 01:09:39 BST, David Gebler wrote: > >I would say getters and setters don't [as a rule-of-thumb] really belong on >interfaces, since they by definition relate to properties of an object and >properties are by definition an implementation detail. I don't follow. If a property is publ

Re: [PHP-DEV] mb_ucfirst and mb_lcfirst

2023-05-28 Thread Hans Henrik Bergan
I think it would be useful. For some reason, lots of people on stackoverflow has a hard time implementing this function in userland: on https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2517947/ucfirst-function-for-multibyte-character-encodings there are 10 broken implementations of mb_ucfirst, and 1 correct on

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC [Concept] - Interface Properties

2023-05-28 Thread Lynn
On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 9:18 AM Nick Humphries wrote: > > I don't want to get into a debate about principles of OOP and design > > practices, this list isn't the place for it. I don't want to sidetrack > the > > discussion. I suppose what an interface should conceptually be in PHP is > > necessar

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC [Concept] - Interface Properties

2023-05-28 Thread Nick Humphries
> Interface properties are already included in the Property Hooks RFC, > which should be going to a vote soon-ish. We hope it passes, of > course. :-) >From what I could see, simple interface properties are not going to be implemented by this RFC (awesome work on the RFC too, it has my full s