Hi Remi and Jakub,
>
I agree it's too early as the library is young and won't be available in
>> many distros. The PECL path is better in this case IMO as it will allow
>> some time .
>
>
In my opinion, this is a case where making an
exception is worth considering.
Should the simdjson library be
> On Dec 30, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Rowan Tommins wrote:
>
> On 30/12/2020 13:49, Olle Härstedt wrote:
>> Uniqueness is when you only allow _one_ reference to an object (or
>> bucket of memory).
>> [...]
>>
>> You can compare a builder pattern with immutability vs non-aliasing
>> (uniqueness):
>>
2020-12-30 21:27 GMT, Olle Härstedt :
> 2020-12-30 20:37 GMT, Larry Garfield :
>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020, at 2:16 PM, Olle Härstedt wrote:
>>
>>> > Ok. You have a benchmark for this? I can make one otherwise, for the
>>> > query
>>> > example.
>>> >
>>> > It worries me a little that immutability is p
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 6:52 AM Remi Collet wrote:
> Le 29/12/2020 à 17:57, Máté Kocsis a écrit :
> > Hi Internals,
> >
> > I think this will be my last proposal for quite some while :)
> > But this time, I'd like to propose bundling the
> > https://github.com/crazyxman/simdjson_php extension
> >
2020-12-30 20:37 GMT, Larry Garfield :
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020, at 2:16 PM, Olle Härstedt wrote:
>
>> > Ok. You have a benchmark for this? I can make one otherwise, for the
>> > query
>> > example.
>> >
>> > It worries me a little that immutability is pushed into the ecosystem
>> > as a
>> > silver
On 30.12.2020 21:21, Larry Garfield wrote:
>> enum Suit {
>> case Hearts = 'H';
>> case Diamonds = 'D';
>> case Clubs = 'C';
>> case Spades = 'S';
>> }
>>
>> 'H' === Suit::Hearts->value; // true
>> 'Hearts' === Suit::Hearts->value; // false
>
> That's a possibility we've been kicking aroun
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 2:19 PM Andreas Heigl wrote:
> Hey folks!
>
> The PHP-Documentation has moved to git!
>
>
Great work!
And now I don't have an excuse for not updating the docs... :)
Thanks
Jakub
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020, at 2:16 PM, Olle Härstedt wrote:
> > Ok. You have a benchmark for this? I can make one otherwise, for the query
> > example.
> >
> > It worries me a little that immutablility is pushed into the ecosystem as a
> > silver bullet. Main reason functional languages are using it is
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020, at 12:30 PM, Aleksander Machniak wrote:
> On 28.12.2020 21:21, Larry Garfield wrote:
> > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/enumerations
> Why can't this be simplified to:
>
> enum Size {
> case Small;
> case Medium;
> case Large;
> }
>
> 'Small' === Size::Small->value; // true
2020-12-30 19:50 GMT, Olle Härstedt :
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2020, 20:27 Larry Garfield, wrote:
>
>>
>> > > That's a good summary of why immutability and with-er methods (or
>> > > some
>> > > equivalent) are more ergonomic.
>> > >
>> > > Another point to remember: Because of PHP's copy-on-write behavio
On Wed, 30 Dec 2020, 20:27 Larry Garfield, wrote:
>
> > > That's a good summary of why immutability and with-er methods (or some
> > > equivalent) are more ergonomic.
> > >
> > > Another point to remember: Because of PHP's copy-on-write behavior,
> full on
> > > immutability doesn't actually wast
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Rowan Tommins wrote:
> On 28/12/2020 20:21, Larry Garfield wrote:
> > After considerable discussion and effort, Ilija and I are ready to offer
> > you round 2 on enumerations.
>
>
> Thank you both, again, for all your efforts. I'm pleased to say that I
> like t
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020, at 4:12 AM, Alexandru Pătrănescu wrote:
> Nice evolution overall.
>
> Few notes:
> - I think ScalarEnum::fromValue() would be more clear than just from() and
> more in sync with ->value property.
Any name would work, I suppose. I prefer short, single-word methods where
po
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 12:27 PM Larry Garfield wrote:
>
> If you clone the object, you don't duplicate 15+1 zvals. You duplicate just
> the one zval for the object itself, which reuses the existing 15 internal
> property entries. If in the new object you then update just the third one,
> PHP
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020, at 12:42 PM, Olle Härstedt wrote:
> A more motivating example for uniqueness is perhaps a query builder.
>
> ```
> $query = (new Query())
> ->select(1)
> ->from('foo')
> ->where(...)
> ->orderBy(..)
> ->limit();
> doSomething($query);
> doSomethingElse($query);
> `
> > That's a good summary of why immutability and with-er methods (or some
> > equivalent) are more ergonomic.
> >
> > Another point to remember: Because of PHP's copy-on-write behavior, full on
> > immutability doesn't actually waste that much memory. It does use up some,
> > but far less than
2020-12-30 18:31 GMT, Larry Garfield :
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Rowan Tommins wrote:
>> On 30/12/2020 13:49, Olle Härstedt wrote:
>> > Uniqueness is when you only allow _one_ reference to an object (or
>> > bucket of memory).
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > You can compare a builder pattern with i
2020-12-30 18:15 GMT, Rowan Tommins :
> On 30/12/2020 13:49, Olle Härstedt wrote:
>> Uniqueness is when you only allow _one_ reference to an object (or
>> bucket of memory).
>> [...]
>>
>> You can compare a builder pattern with immutability vs non-aliasing
>> (uniqueness):
>>
>> ```
>> // Immutable
Hi Internals,
I would like to start a discussion about possible improvements to the
mysqli API. I have written an RFC which explains all my ideas.
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/improve_mysqli
As the RFC is nothing more than a concept at the moment I am looking
for some feedback. I attempted to implem
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Rowan Tommins wrote:
> On 30/12/2020 13:49, Olle Härstedt wrote:
> > Uniqueness is when you only allow _one_ reference to an object (or
> > bucket of memory).
> > [...]
> >
> > You can compare a builder pattern with immutability vs non-aliasing
> > (uniqueness):
>
On 28.12.2020 21:21, Larry Garfield wrote:
> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/enumerations
Why can't this be simplified to:
enum Size {
case Small;
case Medium;
case Large;
}
'Small' === Size::Small->value; // true
Size::from('Small') === Size::Small; // true
enum Suit {
case Hearts = 'H';
cas
On 30/12/2020 13:49, Olle Härstedt wrote:
Uniqueness is when you only allow _one_ reference to an object (or
bucket of memory).
[...]
You can compare a builder pattern with immutability vs non-aliasing
(uniqueness):
```
// Immutable
$b = new Builder();
$b = $b->withFoo()->withBar()->withBaz();
> On Dec 30, 2020, at 08:19, Andreas Heigl wrote:
>
> Hey folks!
>
> The PHP-Documentation has moved to git!
Absolutely phenomenal. Well done all around!
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On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 8:20 AM Andreas Heigl wrote:
> The PHP-Documentation has moved to git!
>
>
Stands.
Begins slow clap.
Clapping builds to a crescendo as the rest of the PHP community joins in.
Loud whistling and hootin' and hollerin' are mixed into the cacophony.
You are a hero. Some day p
Am 30.12.2020 um 17:17 schrieb Adiel Cristo:
Thank you so much for this, Andreas, Nikita, and everyone involved!
Hear, hear!
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Great work Andreas, thanks for this.
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De: Adiel Cristo
Enviado: quarta-feira, 30 de dezembro de 2020 13:17
Para: Andreas Heigl
Cc: PHP Documentation ML ; PHP internals
Assunto: [PHP-DEV] Re: Documentation is on git
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:19 AM Andr
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:19 AM Andreas Heigl wrote:
> Hey folks!
>
> The PHP-Documentation has moved to git!
>
> Not at the same day as the PHP8-release but at least in the same year ;-)
>
> Nikita and myself took the last steps today to finalize what a number of
> people have been working on f
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020, at 2:43 AM, Markus Fischer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 28.12.20 21:21, Larry Garfield wrote:
> > The full RFC is here, and I recommend reading it again in full given how
> > much was updated.
> >
> > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/enumerations
>
> I tried to answer the following questio
>
> What's the quickest way (=less code) to have an enum represent it's
> lexical name as the literal values?
>
> So that `… case Foo; case Bar; …` results in `::Foo->value === 'Foo'` etc.?
>
> Is this possible without implementing this manually for all cases?
>
>
AFAICS, you'd need to implement th
On 30.12.20 12:00, Rowan Tommins wrote:
On 30 December 2020 08:43:33 GMT+00:00, Markus Fischer
wrote:
What is the scalar value for a ScalarEnum if none is explicitly
defined?
The question has no answer, because the declaration of the enum itself would be
invalid:
If an enumeration is mark
Hey folks!
The PHP-Documentation has moved to git!
Not at the same day as the PHP8-release but at least in the same year ;-)
Nikita and myself took the last steps today to finalize what a number of
people have been working on for the last at least 4 years.
Thanks to Derick, Rasmus, Sara, Paul,
On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 7:34 PM Andreas Heigl wrote:
> Hey folks!
>
> After some years we are finally at the point to do what so many have
> been asking for: We will move the source-control of the
> PHP-Documentation from SVN to git!
>
> Tomorrow!
>
> TL;DR
>
> Tomorrow we will remove docs-karma
2020-12-29 21:36 GMT, Rowan Tommins :
> On 29/12/2020 10:28, Olle Härstedt wrote:
>> I just want to mention that immutability might be applied too
>> liberally in the current discourse, and in some cases, what you really
>> want is*non-aliasing*, that is, uniqueness, to solve problems related
>> to
2020-12-29 22:43 GMT, Rowan Tommins :
> On 29/12/2020 18:38, Olle Härstedt wrote:
>> Instead of shoe-horning everything into the PHP object system, did
>> anyone consider adding support for records instead, which would always
>> be immutable, and could support the spread operator for cloning-with
>
On 28/12/2020 20:21, Larry Garfield wrote:
After considerable discussion and effort, Ilija and I are ready to offer you
round 2 on enumerations.
Thank you both, again, for all your efforts. I'm pleased to say that I
like this draft even more than the last one. :)
A couple of points that oc
On 30 December 2020 08:43:33 GMT+00:00, Markus Fischer
wrote:
>What is the scalar value for a ScalarEnum if none is explicitly
>defined?
The question has no answer, because the declaration of the enum itself would be
invalid:
> If an enumeration is marked as having a scalar equivalent, then al
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:22 PM Larry Garfield
wrote:
>
> Hello, Internalians!
>
> After considerable discussion and effort, Ilija and I are ready to offer
you round 2 on enumerations. This is in the spirit of the previous
discussion, but based on that discussion a great deal has been reworked.
Hi,
On 28.12.20 21:21, Larry Garfield wrote:
The full RFC is here, and I recommend reading it again in full given how much
was updated.
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/enumerations
I tried to answer the following question but failed to do so:
What is the scalar value for a ScalarEnum if none is ex
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