Re: [PHP-DEV] Properly validate abstract methods in traits

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 10:15 AM Nikita Popov wrote: > Hi internals, > > I've prepared https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/5068 to fix validation > of > abstract methods inside traits for PHP 8. > > To provide some context, the situation is currently pretty weird... when > you add an abstract meth

Re: [PHP-DEV] Who are the current eligible voters?

Some good ideas are being clarified in this thread, i would highlight: “- One-time notifications about this and other information on contributing when logging into pecl, bugs.php.net, the wiki, or other subdomains (e.g. "Did you know?" dialog boxes) - Links to the same thing included in emails w

Re: [PHP-DEV] Who are the current eligible voters?

> Wow. From a participation standpoint that seems pretty pathetic. If 30 is the > average that means most people never vote.  > > I would have assumed that having a vote would mean that people would be > expected to vote periodically or if not then loose the privilege.  How many of the 1900 are

Re: [PHP-DEV] Who are the current eligible voters?

> On Jan 15, 2020, at 16:58, Levi Morrison via internals > wrote: > > We are predominantly volunteers, and should keep that in mind for > these kinds of things. Hear, hear. -- Paul M. Jones pmjo...@pmjones.io http://paul-m-jones.com Modernizing Legacy Applications in PHP https://leanpub.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Who are the current eligible voters?

We are predominantly volunteers, and should keep that in mind for these kinds of things. In my opinion, a timeline of 6 months is definitely too short. Maybe something like 3 years would be more appropriate. And if we do remove stale voting privileges it should be easy to get them back again, and

RE: [PHP-DEV] Who are the current eligible voters?

From: Mike Schinkel Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:23 PM To: Nikita Popov Cc: PHP Internals List Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Who are the current eligible voters? > On Jan 15, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Nikita Popov wrote: > > Based on master.php.net data, the number of people who are eligible for > voti

Re: [PHP-DEV] Introducing compile time code execution to PHP preloading

With regards to allowing AST introspection, john blow just posted a video on JAI which slows why it is useful. Around 11 mins into the following video he introduces a few lines into the metaprogram (the thing that interacts with the AST) which essentially 'queries' the code and reports all occurren

Re: [PHP-DEV] Who are the current eligible voters?

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, at 2:12 PM, Ben Ramsey wrote: > > On Jan 15, 2020, at 14:02, Paul M. Jones wrote: > > > > > > > >> On Jan 15, 2020, at 13:21, Ben Ramsey wrote: > >> > >> Everyone with a php.net account is able to vote. The public list is here: > >> https://people.php.net/ > > > > I do

Re: [PHP-DEV] Who are the current eligible voters?

> On Jan 15, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Nikita Popov wrote: > > Based on master.php.net data, the number of people who are eligible for > voting is approximately 1900. The usual turnout for RFC votes is more like > 30. If it's something very controversial, maybe 100. Wow. From a participation standpoin

Re: [PHP-DEV] Who are the current eligible voters?

Hi -- > On Jan 15, 2020, at 14:15, Nikita Popov wrote: > > Yes, having a php.net account is sufficient. Additionally there are 28 > users in the wiki in the "phpcvs" group, which I *think* means they can > also vote. Ah, very good -- thanks for that! -- Paul M. Jones pmjo...@pmjones.io http:

Re: [PHP-DEV] Who are the current eligible voters?

> On Jan 15, 2020, at 14:12, Ben Ramsey wrote: > >> Ben (and others) -- your thoughts? Is it really as straightforward as >> "having a php.net account alone is enough to be eligible to vote” ? > > I wasn’t answering based on the rules. My answer is based on practice. Sure, though that pract

Re: [PHP-DEV] Who are the current eligible voters?

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:03 PM Paul M. Jones wrote: > > > > On Jan 15, 2020, at 13:21, Ben Ramsey wrote: > > > > Everyone with a php.net account is able to vote. The public list is > here: https://people.php.net/ > > I don't think that's *quite* the case? As has been noted elsewhere, the > rule

Re: [PHP-DEV] Who are the current eligible voters?

> On Jan 15, 2020, at 14:02, Paul M. Jones wrote: > > > >> On Jan 15, 2020, at 13:21, Ben Ramsey wrote: >> >> Everyone with a php.net account is able to vote. The public list is here: >> https://people.php.net/ > > I don't think that's *quite* the case? As has been noted elsewhere, the rule

Re: [PHP-DEV] Who are the current eligible voters?

> On Jan 15, 2020, at 13:21, Ben Ramsey wrote: > > Everyone with a php.net account is able to vote. The public list is here: > https://people.php.net/ I don't think that's *quite* the case? As has been noted elsewhere, the rules are: > • People with php.net VCS accounts that have contribut

Re: [PHP-DEV] Who are the current eligible voters?

> On Jan 15, 2020, at 13:19, Paul M. Jones wrote: > > Hi all, > > Apropos the Nicolas Grekas discussion on this list ... > > > > ... and on Reddit ... > > > > >

[PHP-DEV] Who are the current eligible voters?

Hi all, Apropos the Nicolas Grekas discussion on this list ... ... and on Reddit ... ... I began to wonder who all is eligible to vote. Looking at people.php.n

Re: [PHP-DEV] ReflectionProperty::has/getDefaultValue

> On Jan 15, 2020, at 9:52 AM, Benjamin Eberlei wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > until now there was no way on ReflectionProperty to easily find out if a > value has a default value and what that default value is. Essentially the > way was indirectly through ReflectionClass::getDefaultProperties(). >

[PHP-DEV] ReflectionProperty::has/getDefaultValue

Hi everyone, until now there was no way on ReflectionProperty to easily find out if a value has a default value and what that default value is. Essentially the way was indirectly through ReflectionClass::getDefaultProperties(). In combination with typed properties and Reflection use cases (for co

[PHP-DEV] VCS Account Request: nicolasgrekas

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: VCS Account Request: nicolasgrekas

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 09:33, Nicolas Grekas wrote: > Le mer. 15 janv. 2020 à 08:36, Pierre Joye a écrit > : > > > Good afternoon, > > > > What a bold rejection, a bit surprising. > > > > For one, there is a consensus on key community having a vote right since > we > > introduced rfc. We have be

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: VCS Account Request: nicolasgrekas

I've been actually surprised by the rejection myself, especially considering that @ocramius, whose profile seems similar to Nicolas', already has a seat. Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for @ocramius and all of his work on PHP open-source projects, but he doesn't seem to have contribute

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: VCS Account Request: nicolasgrekas

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 4:47 PM Joe Watkins wrote: > > I just want it to be noted that I requested that the decision is reconsidered > also. > > I think, plain and simple, a mistake has been made. I agree that a real discussion should happen. So whoever else feels this way as well, feel free to

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: VCS Account Request: nicolasgrekas

I just want it to be noted that I requested that the decision is reconsidered also. I think, plain and simple, a mistake has been made. Cheers Joe On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 10:40, Pierre Joye wrote: > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 8:08 PM Peter Cowburn wrote: > > > On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 at 12:27, Nicolas

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: VCS Account Request: nicolasgrekas

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 8:08 PM Peter Cowburn wrote: > On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 at 12:27, Nicolas Grekas > > wrote: > > > Le mar. 14 janv. 2020 à 13:20, PHP Group a écrit : > > > > > VCS Account Rejected: nicolasgrekas rejected by salathe /o\ > > > > > > > So, what's the process to get a vote now? > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: VCS Account Request: nicolasgrekas

Le mer. 15 janv. 2020 à 08:36, Pierre Joye a écrit : > Good afternoon, > > What a bold rejection, a bit surprising. > > For one, there is a consensus on key community having a vote right since we > introduced rfc. We have been more strict but the consensus remains. > > Secondly, yes, being an act

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: VCS Account Request: nicolasgrekas

Hello, I'd like some explanation of why this happened. Nicolas has already contributed to PHP, see (his pull requests)[1], as well (his comments)[2] and as he has an RFC idea (regardless if it's going to be approved or not), we should encourage that. [1]: https://github.com/php/php-src/pulls/nic