Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.27 Released - PHP 5.3 Reaching End of Life

2013-07-11 Thread Kenji Suzuki
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 02:47:34 +0200 Johannes Schlüter wrote: > On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 08:10 +0900, Kenji Suzuki wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 23:45:02 +0200 > > Johannes Schlüter wrote: > > > > > Please Note: This will be the last regular release of the PHP 5.3 > > > series. All users of PHP are

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.27 Released - PHP 5.3 Reaching End of Life

2013-07-11 Thread Johannes Schlüter
On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 08:10 +0900, Kenji Suzuki wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 23:45:02 +0200 > Johannes Schlüter wrote: > > > Please Note: This will be the last regular release of the PHP 5.3 > > series. All users of PHP are encouraged to upgrade to PHP 5.4 or PHP > > 5.5. The PHP 5.3 series will

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.27 Released - PHP 5.3 Reaching End of Life

2013-07-11 Thread Kenji Suzuki
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 23:45:02 +0200 Johannes Schlüter wrote: > Please Note: This will be the last regular release of the PHP 5.3 > series. All users of PHP are encouraged to upgrade to PHP 5.4 or PHP > 5.5. The PHP 5.3 series will receive only security fixes for the next > year. The exact date of

[PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.27 Released - PHP 5.3 Reaching End of Life

2013-07-11 Thread Johannes Schlüter
The PHP development team announces the immediate availability of PHP 5.3.27. About 10 bugs were fixed, including a security fix in the XML parser (Bug #65236). Please Note: This will be the last regular release of the PHP 5.3 series. All users of PHP are encouraged to upgrade to PHP 5.4 or PHP 5.5

Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for comments - new PHP feature: return typing

2013-07-11 Thread Larry Garfield
On 7/11/13 2:56 PM, Florin Patan wrote: We already have a bunch of RFCs about strict typing in PHP: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/typechecking So I personally am not sure we need yet another RFC on the topic - given that we discussed previous ones multiple times. You are right, as part of the mov

Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for comments - new PHP feature: return typing

2013-07-11 Thread Sara Golemon
> @Sara: thank you for the offer, I'll send you a mail, if it's ok with > you, in the next days, I'd want to make this as a tutorial and maybe > me implement it with your guidance, but more on this another time. > > Sure thing. PHP needs more developers with deep understanding of the engine. I'd

Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for comments - new PHP feature: return typing

2013-07-11 Thread Florin Patan
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Sara Golemon wrote: > I agree 100%. > > This particular item has been in the works since before I joined the team > and I've given them a bollocking out over it. You may have noticed > UConverter and a few other changes which WERE proposed to internals@ prior > t

Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for comments - new PHP feature: return typing

2013-07-11 Thread Sara Golemon
I agree 100%. This particular item has been in the works since before I joined the team and I've given them a bollocking out over it. You may have noticed UConverter and a few other changes which WERE proposed to internals@ prior to inclusion in HHVM and the implementation of those features were

Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for comments - new PHP feature: return typing

2013-07-11 Thread Sara Golemon
> > > 1) HHVM isn't just running FB. A number of sites have either already > started using HHVM, or intend to soon. > > Were could I read about those? > > I didn't list any because I don't know how they individually feel about sharing that info. I realize that takes the wind out of my statement,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for comments - new PHP feature: return typing

2013-07-11 Thread Nikita Popov
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Sara Golemon wrote: > I won't suggest that PHP should follow HHVM, if anything I'll usually (and > have frequently) rallied for the other way around. In this case, however, > as with Generators, I think that we should endeavor to keep the > implementations close

[PHP-DEV] Re: Integrate HHVM into PHP (Was: Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for comments - new PHP feature: return typing)

2013-07-11 Thread Sara Golemon
If you run into issues (yes, our build system still sucks a bit) poke me in IRC freenode/#hhvm (or ptarjan or any other @ in that channel). And just to jump in front of what I detect in your comment "albiet compile it". Repeat: HHVM is not a code translator anymore. Hasn't been for awhile now.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for comments - new PHP feature: return typing

2013-07-11 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! > 1) HHVM isn't just running FB. A number of sites have either already started using HHVM, or intend to soon. Were could I read about those? > 2) The "static compilation" description is grossly outdated information. I guess my knowledge about HHVM is a bit out of date, which is no wonder a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for comments - new PHP feature: return typing

2013-07-11 Thread Sara Golemon
> Should I conclude that there's enough interest for this feature and > move from a gist to a RFC? If so, I would definitely need someone to > help out with the implementation. > > Without wanting to put the cart too far before the horse, I'll mention that FB is willing to offer resources (me, basi

Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for comments - new PHP feature: return typing

2013-07-11 Thread Sara Golemon
> While HHVM is a very interesting project, their use case is pretty > specific and narrow, and, as I understand, connected to a single > application (albeit running huge traffic numbers). So I'm not sure > copying whatever they do is necessarily good for PHP as a whole. HHVM > case is basically st

Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for comments - new PHP feature: return typing

2013-07-11 Thread Florin Patan
Hey, On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > >> Thanks for your input Sara, everything sounds very interesting. In all >> fairness I haven't looked at HHVM but I from what you described about >> this particular feature sounds good. >> >> Should I conclude that there's enough

Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for comments - new PHP feature: return typing

2013-07-11 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! > Thanks for your input Sara, everything sounds very interesting. In all > fairness I haven't looked at HHVM but I from what you described about > this particular feature sounds good. > > Should I conclude that there's enough interest for this feature and > move from a gist to a RFC? If so, I

[PHP-DEV] Re: Integrate HHVM into PHP (Was: Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for comments - new PHP feature: return typing)

2013-07-11 Thread Florin Patan
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Patrick ALLAERT wrote: > Hello Florin, > > 2013/7/10 Florin Patan : >> Since you brought up the discussion, would you think it would make >> more sense to actually start and integrate HHVM into PHP rather that >> patching it up? >> Or better yet, rewrite it with a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for comments - new PHP feature: return typing

2013-07-11 Thread Florin Patan
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Sara Golemon wrote: >> With regard to any sort of hinting, an issue of 'one of' return types >> would need to be addressed (I hope). >> >> function foo(SomeClass $bar, int $baz) : bool, SomeClass {} >> >> Allowing for a failure (False) or a success (SomeClass). >>