On 2012-11-13, Adam Harvey wrote:
> On 13 November 2012 01:16, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Ulf Wendel wrote:
>>> Don't bother. There is a standard way of deprecation, at least I assume
>>> there is. Its proven. Use it: docs warnings, E_DEPRECATED, remove.
>>
>> I agr
On 11/12/2012 07:08 PM, Adam Harvey wrote:
On 13 November 2012 08:44, Christopher Jones
wrote:
Adam, can you:
1. Add this link to the RFC?:
https://wikis.oracle.com/display/mysql/Converting+to+MySQLi
2. Mention how to turn off E_DEPRECATED warnings in the RFC?
When users of 5.5
On 13 November 2012 01:16, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Ulf Wendel wrote:
>> Don't bother. There is a standard way of deprecation, at least I assume
>> there is. Its proven. Use it: docs warnings, E_DEPRECATED, remove.
>
> I agree to deprecate/remove on the long run, bu
On 13 November 2012 08:44, Christopher Jones
wrote:
> Adam, can you:
>
> 1. Add this link to the RFC?:
> https://wikis.oracle.com/display/mysql/Converting+to+MySQLi
>
> 2. Mention how to turn off E_DEPRECATED warnings in the RFC?
>
> When users of 5.5 stumble on the new messages, we can t
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Anthony Ferrara wrote:
> My standpoint would be not to add E_DEPRECATED notices in 5.5... It's
> simply used too much to start loudly complaining about it. Instead, what I
> would suggest is the following:
>
> 1. Officially deprecate it now. Right now, on the docs
On 11/12/2012 05:00 AM, Adam Harvey wrote:
Hi everyone,
I've written an RFC to cover deprecating ext/mysql in PHP 5.5:
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/mysql_deprecation. While we handled the soft
deprecation in the documentation purely via a straw poll on Internals,
I presume this will end up needing
On 11/12/2012 07:24 AM, Leigh wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> We put ext/mysql in a (security) bug fix maintenance mode only
>> years ago. Too many ignore those attempts to get rid of ext/mysql.
>
> Maybe it's time to put it into full non-maintenance mode then?
>
> I believe MySQL is one of the on-by-default
Hi
2012/11/12 Ferenc Kovacs
> I agree to deprecate/remove on the long run, but I think that we should
> wait for the next version for doing so.
Wait for the next version? Sorry but thats years away, and where does
that put us? No where in all honestly, if we don't do something
actively against t
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Ulf Wendel wrote:
> Am 12.11.2012 15:48, schrieb Antony Dovgal:
>
> On 2012-11-12 18:15, Adam Harvey wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think the documentation is necessarily effective here,
>>> particularly with functions that users tend to know by heart
>>>
>>
>>
>>> I'm n
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Adam Harvey wrote:
> I've written an RFC to cover deprecating ext/mysql in PHP 5.5:
> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/mysql_deprecation. While we handled the soft
> deprecation in the documentation purely via a straw poll on Internals,
> I presume this will end up needing to go to
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Arvids Godjuks
wrote:
> Hello all!
>
> Julien this weekend was at the conference in Riga and we talked with him
> exactly about this, how it could be handled and stuff.
> The bottom line of our discussion was that I expressed the opinion that
> things should really
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Arvids Godjuks
wrote:
> Hello all!
>
> Julien this weekend was at the conference in Riga and we talked with him
> exactly about this, how it could be handled and stuff.
> The bottom line of our discussion was that I expressed the opinion that
> things should really
Hello all!
Julien this weekend was at the conference in Riga and we talked with him
exactly about this, how it could be handled and stuff.
The bottom line of our discussion was that I expressed the opinion that
things should really start to move as of 5.5 - postponing it will not make
any differen
Am 12.11.2012 15:41, schrieb Ulf Wendel:
> Am 11.2012 14:00, schrieb Adam Harvey:
>> I've written an RFC to cover deprecating ext/mysql in PHP 5.5:
>> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/mysql_deprecation. While we handled the soft
>> deprecation in the documentation purely via a straw poll on Internals,
>> I
Hi,
> We put ext/mysql in a (security) bug fix maintenance mode only
> years ago. Too many ignore those attempts to get rid of ext/mysql.
Maybe it's time to put it into full non-maintenance mode then?
I believe MySQL is one of the on-by-default extensions when you
compile PHP blindly (as I'm sur
hi!
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Adam Harvey wrote:
> I've written an RFC to cover deprecating ext/mysql in PHP 5.5:
> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/mysql_deprecation. While we handled the soft
> deprecation in the documentation purely via a straw poll on Internals,
> I presume this will end up n
Am 12.11.2012 15:48, schrieb Antony Dovgal:
On 2012-11-12 18:15, Adam Harvey wrote:
I don't think the documentation is necessarily effective here,
particularly with functions that users tend to know by heart
I'm not really convinced the average user ever looks at the manual for
things they kn
My standpoint would be not to add E_DEPRECATED notices in 5.5... It's
simply used too much to start loudly complaining about it. Instead, what I
would suggest is the following:
1. Officially deprecate it now. Right now, on the docs it says
"discouraged", but I would suggest changing that to offici
On 2012-11-12 18:15, Adam Harvey wrote:
I don't think the documentation is necessarily effective here,
particularly with functions that users tend to know by heart
I'm not really convinced the average user ever looks at the manual for
things they know, truth be told.
Well, I'd expect people
Am 11.2012 14:00, schrieb Adam Harvey:
I've written an RFC to cover deprecating ext/mysql in PHP 5.5:
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/mysql_deprecation. While we handled the soft
deprecation in the documentation purely via a straw poll on Internals,
I presume this will end up needing to go to a vote, he
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Johannes Schlüter wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-11-12 at 21:00 +0800, Adam Harvey wrote:
> > logical next step is to start generating E_DEPRECATED notices when
> > users connect via mysql_connect(), mysql_pconnect() or the implicit
> > ext/mysql connection routines. It's my belief tha
On 11/12/2012 02:20 PM, Antony Dovgal wrote:
> While I fully understand the reasons behind this, I still believe this
> kind of thing should be done using the documentation only.
following that argument we can deprecate E_DEPRECATED altogether,
can't we?
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On 12 November 2012 22:01, jpauli wrote:
> Well, I think we can communicate, then educate people so that they
> dont use ext/mysql any more.
> It will take the time needed, but if we want this move to come up, we
> need to start it. Doing nothing about it, things wont move.
>
> I like educating th
On 12 November 2012 21:48, Johannes Schlüter
wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-11-12 at 21:00 +0800, Adam Harvey wrote:
>> logical next step is to start generating E_DEPRECATED notices when
>> users connect via mysql_connect(), mysql_pconnect() or the implicit
>> ext/mysql connection routines. It's my belief
On 12 November 2012 21:20, Antony Dovgal wrote:
> While I fully understand the reasons behind this, I still believe this kind
> of thing should be done using the documentation only.
>
> Generating 'educational' notices will just annoy the end users and in 99%
> cases they can't do a thing about it
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Antony Dovgal wrote:
> On 2012-11-12 17:00, Adam Harvey wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I've written an RFC to cover deprecating ext/mysql in PHP 5.5:
>> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/mysql_deprecation. While we handled the soft
>> deprecation in the documentation purel
On Mon, 2012-11-12 at 21:00 +0800, Adam Harvey wrote:
> logical next step is to start generating E_DEPRECATED notices when
> users connect via mysql_connect(), mysql_pconnect() or the implicit
> ext/mysql connection routines. It's my belief that doing so will
Short comment: Those will mostly be u
On 2012-11-12 17:00, Adam Harvey wrote:
Hi everyone,
I've written an RFC to cover deprecating ext/mysql in PHP 5.5:
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/mysql_deprecation. While we handled the soft
deprecation in the documentation purely via a straw poll on Internals,
I presume this will end up needing to g
Hi everyone,
I've written an RFC to cover deprecating ext/mysql in PHP 5.5:
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/mysql_deprecation. While we handled the soft
deprecation in the documentation purely via a straw poll on Internals,
I presume this will end up needing to go to a vote, hence the RFC.
I won't rehas
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