2011/4/8 Sebastian Bergmann :
> Am 04.04.2011 17:22, schrieb Sebastian Bergmann:
>> Any thoughts?
>
> Are there any objections to applying the latest version of the patch [1]
> to trunk? I still think that debug_backtrace and debug_print_backtrace
> are in need of refactoring but that should be
> First post here; been watching for a while though.
Same here.
Here's my take:
[1] I don't like ?? / ? because it is disjunctive with === / ==.. The
extra equals sign strengthens equality comparison, while the extra
question mark essentially _weakens_ the ternary operator (making it
mo
Am 04.04.2011 17:22, schrieb Sebastian Bergmann:
> Any thoughts?
Are there any objections to applying the latest version of the patch [1]
to trunk? I still think that debug_backtrace and debug_print_backtrace
are in need of refactoring but that should be kept separate, I think.
--
[1] https:
On 9/04/11 12:45 AM, Martin Scotta wrote:
I just feels that !empty($arr['key']) or isset($arr['key']) do not express
the real meaning, instead I would choose to write array_key_exists('key',
$arr). It may be slower but it clearly express what I meant.
I don't like this. array_key_exists will re
Hello all,
First post here; been watching for a while though.
IMHO:
1) Implicit isset() checks in ?: would be bad. This would not
"silently improve not-so-well written code"; In fact it would make
not-so-well written code more difficult to debug. I can't count the
number of times I've run across c
Operators should have very specific purpose and function... a ternary if
statement should just be another way to express a normal if statement.
Making the ? operator suppress the not defined error would be a poor
compromise, making PHP inconsistent. Then I'd rather have access of
non-defined array
I just feels that !empty($arr['key']) or isset($arr['key']) do not express
the real meaning, instead I would choose to write array_key_exists('key',
$arr). It may be slower but it clearly express what I meant.
Regarding the operators, I believe they will do more harm than good.
To check if a varia
I think "?!" wouldn't work as an operator as it would conflict with ternary
comparision + not operator. Also I don't see the point of adding an operator
for "empty" as the function/construct itself is pretty confusing and
non-useful as you have to memorize all the things that happen to be
considere
On 08.04.2011 15:19, Rune Kaagaard wrote:
> New syntax:
> // a)
> $a = get_stuff('foo') ?? 42;
>
> // b)
> $a = get_stuff('foo') ?! 42;
This is wrong. The "new syntax" is already available since 5.3.0 and is
$a = get_stuff('foo') ?: 42;
Now I agree with you, it sounds great and
Dear Internals
I'm very happy that this is getting some attention again. Please allow
me to give my 2 cents too. The text below can also be seen nicely
formatted at https://gist.github.com/909711.
## Intro ##
Isset and IsNotEmpty operators have for sure been a hot topic for several years
now and
Hi. I like Adam's suggestion _a lot_ however I'd also find a third
case very useful.
In addition to:
*
// standard
$value = isset($a[$key]) ? $a[$key] : 'Not set';
// new ?? double ternary that performs isset check and omits second
expression
$value = $a[$key] ?? : 'Not set';
// new ?? d
> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Richardson [mailto:simples...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 08 April 2011 08:02
>
> Indeed.
>
> The '?' character already is special, so using '??' seems like a
> safe,
> practical approach. However, I'd prefer maintaining the form of the
> standard
> ternary oper
Hi, just to drop an opinion on something I felt natural when reading this:
how about a word instead?:
$value = 'Not set' unless $a['key'];
I think it would be way more readable.
Regards,
David
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:02 AM, Adam Richardson wrote:
> >
> >
> >> We need to be careful about cha
>
>
>> We need to be careful about changing the beahviour of existing
> operators.
>
Indeed.
The '?' character already is special, so using '??' seems like a safe,
practical approach. However, I'd prefer maintaining the form of the standard
ternary operator with the colon ($value = $var['bar'] ?
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