Re: [PHP-DEV] towards the next 5.3 release

2009-02-12 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hi! it should actually be a hard error. As we always claim PHP follows pure IS-A relation ships. I feel very uneasy with hard errors on something that is not indeed an error preventing engine from continuing. I.e. my (personal) opinion is that if the engine can move forward, even with some

[PHP-DEV] PHP 5.2.9RC2 Testing

2009-02-12 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
The second and final release candidate of 5.2.9 was just released for testing and can be downloaded here: http://downloads.php.net/ilia/php-5.2.9RC2.tar.bz2 (md5sum: 253befc2627abb09a5888b1e6ad84077) http://windows.php.net/downloads/qa/php-5.2.9RC2-Win32-VC6-x86.zip (sha1: 3cbf5b410131cd11

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-12 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 12.02.2009, at 18:17, Leon KUKOVEC wrote: Hi all, A while back I published a patch for PHP 5.2 and SNMP. Anyone had time to review it and if so, any comments? Could this patch be considered as a PHP 5.3 TODO item? Anything I need to do to accept the patch? Err did you open a bug tick

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-12 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 12.02.2009, at 21:59, Arnaud Le Blanc wrote: On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 18:07 +0100, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: - pcntl_signal needs declare(ticks) which is deprecated since 5.3 I marked this as a documentation issue. This has been discussed when it was decided to deprecate ticks. Although it

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-12 Thread Arnaud Le Blanc
Hi, On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 18:07 +0100, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > - pcntl_signal needs declare(ticks) which is deprecated since 5.3 I marked this as a documentation issue. This has been discussed when it was decided to deprecate ticks. Although it would be great to keep ticks, at least for use wi

[PHP-DEV] Re: Bug #46701

2009-02-12 Thread Moriyoshi Koizumi
See the results of the following on 5.2.6, 5.2.9rc2 and 5.3: php -r '$a[1e100] = 1; var_dump($a);' 5.2.6: array(1) { [-2147483648]=> int(1) } 5.2.9rc2: array(1) { [-1]=> int(1) } 5.3: array(1) { [2147483647]=> int(1) } I doubt the result of 5.2.9rc2 is quite what we expect, and t

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-12 Thread shire
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: The following remain open and it does not seem someone is actively working in it: - PHP_5_3 missed merge from PHP_5_2 for write_func callback Seeing as I have an interest in this getting in 5_3, I'll work up a patch for this unless someone wants to speak up that they'

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-12 Thread Daniel Convissor
Hi Steph: > I'm talking about the UPGRADE file in the source, which is plain text. AH! Pardon the misunderstanding. Yeah, it seems that file should be short and sweet then point folks to the manual. Thanks, --Dan -- T H E A N A L Y S I S A N D S O L U T I O N S C O M P A N Y

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-12 Thread Leon KUKOVEC
Hi all, A while back I published a patch for PHP 5.2 and SNMP. Anyone had time to review it and if so, any comments? Could this patch be considered as a PHP 5.3 TODO item? Anything I need to do to accept the patch? Thanks. -- Best Regards, Leon -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Developm

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-12 Thread Steph Fox
It doesn't matter that the XML file is long. Each section is broken up into a separate page in the manual. I'm talking about the UPGRADE file in the source, which is plain text. Have you ever tried to read it? - Steph -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, vi

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-12 Thread Daniel Convissor
Hi Steph: > It's nothing to do with structure. "Everything" makes for a very long > file, full stop. It doesn't matter that the XML file is long. Each section is broken up into a separate page in the manual. You want the upgrade guide to contain just the things that will cause difficulties u

[PHP-DEV] Bug #46701

2009-02-12 Thread Moriyoshi Koizumi
Hey, I guess the patch relies on the 5.3's DVAL_TO_LVAL behavior that was changed by the fix for bug #42868, right? If so, this patch shouldn't be MFH'ed as the #42868 patch was not merged although I didn't remember any discussion on this. See also: http://marc.info/?l=php-internals&m=12079972092

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-12 Thread Steph Fox
BUT perhaps some of the more complex explanations should have their own document. If it 'requires more explanation than we want to provide in the documentation' that does seem to suggest that a development perhaps DOES need better doumentation? In the manual, really. But - quite. - Steph --

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-12 Thread Steph Fox
Hi Dan, Because the guide is in the manual. The manual is the difinitive source on how to use PHP. The guide was only added directly into the manual quite recently. This is exactly what I'm trying to say; its purpose has shifted since it became part of the manual and it's lost whatever usef

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-12 Thread Steph Fox
So in summary, I feel the key point for this document is: - a single document that lists all changes - contains pointers that enables someone to look up more details in the documentation - enables people who get new "strange" error messages to find pointers towards the documentation - some leng

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-12 Thread Steph Fox
Then I guess I need to read the archives. I can't imagine why a system admin would give a damn about new language features, object model, reference changes, pdo, new error levels or how to check if a class inherits another class. They'd need to know that there had been major changes in the langu

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-12 Thread Lester Caine
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: Hey Steph, Personally I think we should list all changes. For certain changes we should devote some explanations (like E_DEPRECATED). For the most part I see this document as a place where we provide an overview of things which then gives them the right key word to lo