Mike wrote:
In my opinion I don't think PHP would be where it is today if it wasn't
for being so easy to learn and use.
I attribute this directly to the fact that it didn't use a lot of
"syntax sugar" that is unreadable and can't be "Googled" for. You can't
Google "[]", and my guess is searching
In PHP 6, incoming user data will automatically be in (unicode) form.
(That is, assuming that the JIT functionality for converting gets
implemented).
One of the implementation details I'd like to consider involves non-XML
and/or non-SGML codepoints inside markup. As per the Unicode
specification,
Translating and mantaning documentation
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Hi!
Verifying that one user hasn't created hundreds of accounts for voting
purposes? No problem if voting is linked to a php.net account, of course.
I'd say linking voting to having php.net account would make sense. For
general "anybody can vote" vote one always can create a poll on any fre
Hi!
So you can present PHP users as senseless robots that are unable to
understand array() syntax and I can't point to the extreme UNreadability
Nobody ever did that.
The next step would be to call me a blasphemer and pronounce anathema
upon me because I refuse to vote for a feature that ha
Folks,
I would like to have people tried the new updated buildconf, configure
script files created with the new PHP 5.3 and the PECL2 libraries in mind.
I prepared a web page for this PHP work effort:
http://beta.winserver.com/public/phpdev
I prepared some zips so this can previewed and
Hi,
thank you, first of all because this was the first link to Zend Weekly News
that worked. ;-)
then to the real thing: i already thougt that such an answer was abroad. i
know that the zend engine has actually never been written to work with
exceptions. altought the zend engine 2 has great ne
Hello,
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Gregory Beaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I've thought about allowing [] for a while and personally have come up
> with my own litmus test for new features.
>
> 1) is the syntax missing from the language?
> 2) if so, does the syntax add missing functiona
hi,
What's the idea behind repeating the same (good or bad) argument
endlessly with more or less prose around them? Thanks for voting at
the end anyway.
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Gregory Beaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've thought about allowing [] for a while and personally have come
Hi Sebastian,
This is known and I already asked this quite some time ago.
Here is the summary of what have I asked here:
http://devzone.zend.com/article/2016-Zend-Weekly-Summaries-Issue-336#Heading6
Regards,
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Sebastian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i just
I've thought about allowing [] for a while and personally have come up
with my own litmus test for new features.
1) is the syntax missing from the language?
2) if so, does the syntax add missing functionality or significant
maintenance benefit?
2) if not, does the new syntax add significant value?
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Moon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 28 May 2008 16:21
> To: Antony Dovgal
> Cc: Sebastian Deutsch; internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Short syntax for array literals [...]
>
> Antony Dovgal wrote:
> > On 28.05.2008 02:58, Sebastia
Hi,
i just found it's really annoying that you can't throw exception in the
context of __toString(). This makes it nealy impossible to work with
__toString() because you'll have to watch not to throw exceptions (which is
even more annoying..). Could this be adressed?
Greetings
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Mike wrote:
In my opinion I don't think PHP would be where it is today if it wasn't
for being so easy to learn and use.
I attribute this directly to the fact that it didn't use a lot of
"syntax sugar" that is unreadable and can't be "Googled" for. You can't
Google "[]", and my guess is searching
Hello,
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Jani Taskinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Exactly. Open this can of worms and soon PHP is something else than easy to
> learn.. someone already mentioned that {} thing for objects.. :)
>
> Sidenote: There are more important things to solve in PHP 5.3 (and
Exactly. Open this can of worms and soon PHP is something else than easy
to learn.. someone already mentioned that {} thing for objects.. :)
Sidenote: There are more important things to solve in PHP 5.3 (and
especially HEAD) than adding this little syntax sugar..
--Jani
Mike wrote:
In my o
In my opinion I don't think PHP would be where it is today if it wasn't
for being so easy to learn and use.
I attribute this directly to the fact that it didn't use a lot of
"syntax sugar" that is unreadable and can't be "Googled" for. You can't
Google "[]", and my guess is searching PHP.net for "
Hi,
You examples are showing some quite horrible situations with namespaces.
Agreed, the least thing, an error should be thrown on collision.
Regards,
Stan Vassilev
I find the namespace resolution rules quite confusing. It's become quite
difficult to tell if I'm calling a static method or
I find the namespace resolution rules quite confusing. It's become quite
difficult to tell if I'm calling a static method or a function, or
namespaced static method or namespaced function, and so on. I don't quite
fully understand or appreciated the point of namespaces. If some one could
help me ou
+1 for: ['foo' => 'bar'], Not sure if it was decided but -1 for ['foo':
'bar']
Here is why,
Array(), is much more confusing to someone coming with no experience in php
then []. Array() in most languages looks like a function call. So
Array('foo' => 'bar'), verse ['foo' => 'bar'], most people will
> -Original Message-
> From: Derick Rethans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:32 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: Sebastian Deutsch; PHP Developers Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Short syntax for array literals [...]
>
> Please let's not turn PHP into unr
> -Original Message-
> From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:44 PM
> To: Antony Dovgal
> Cc: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Short syntax for array literals [...]
>
> At a certain level everything is just syntax. There is nothi
Antony Dovgal wrote:
On 28.05.2008 02:58, Sebastian Deutsch wrote:
fyi - i added a RFC
http://wiki.php.net/rfc/shortsyntaxforarrays
please add your votes
You do understand that you will not be able to use this syntax in your
products for at least next 5 years without rising min required PHP
2008/5/28 Stan Vassilev | FM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> var array = new Array(); -- same as -- var array = [];
> var object = new Object(); -- same as -- var object = {};
>
> And when people have both of those, guess which one they use in more than
> 90% of the cases.
>
> Regards,
> Stan Vassilev
I'v
Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
Hi!
Not hard at all. Certifying that people only vote once - hard
What's hard in that? Only logged in users vote, one login - one vote. :)
Verifying that one user hasn't created hundreds of accounts for voting
purposes? No problem if voting is linked to a php.net
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 1:25 PM, ZhiQiang He <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> translate php manual
You are not going to get "phpdoc" as username.
-Hannes
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On 28 May 2008 08:20, Derick Rethans advised:
> Right, and I will add immediately to my coding standard that this is
> forbidden to use.
As is, of course, your right -- just as it would be mine to immediately
add to my coding standards that it is compulsory!
+1
(my irrelevant personal opinion
2008/5/27, Sebastian Deutsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> fyi - i added a RFC
>
> http://wiki.php.net/rfc/shortsyntaxforarrays
>
> please add your votes
>
I'm -1.
> cheers
>
> Sebastian
>
> Sebastian Deutsch schrieb:
>
>
> > dont have karma - but I would love it! so +1 here.
> > would it make sens
translate php manual
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-1.
(the syntax with colons is appalling, and the other one doesn't look
any more readable - and is not javascript-ish either, since JS arrays
can only have numeric keys. I'd welcome the syntax without any chance
of specifying keys, but then, that'd be a really half-arsed solution)
Am
Hello again,
renderSomething(array('exclude' => array('a', 'b', 'c'), 'include' =>
array('d', 'e', 'f')));
vs:
renderSomething(['exclude' => ['a', 'b', 'c'], 'include' => ['d', 'e',
'f']]);
Your version is more readable but try this one:
renderSomething(
array(
'exclude' => a
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 3:14 AM, Antony Dovgal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The next step would be to call me a blasphemer and pronounce anathema upon
> me because I refuse to vote for a feature that have already been voted
> against.
> But why not? Go on, vote forever until it's in.
>
>From th
Hi,
No one said it's a matter of life and death. But is it only a matter of life
and death improvements that should be considered for PHP?
The typical use case that benefits most from this is when a function accepts
arrays as a means of structured/named/nested options, something I use a lot.
Hello,
As I always will say -1 to this.
But I have a question, people here talk that this is very very useful in
some cases. Can you please show others such cases so we can get your point?
I really want to know this super hyper cases, this syntax is mega useful.
Regards, Dimitar
-1
regards,
Lukas
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On Wednesday 28 May 2008 09:11:50 Antony Dovgal wrote:
> On 28.05.2008 10:44, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> > Today's web developer is
> > typically writing half their app in some variety of Ecmascript, either
> > Javascript or Actionscript and this array syntax is second nature to all
> > those folks.
>
On 28.05.2008 12:03, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
Hi!
Want me to find some more 50 people to vote against it?
If you find 50 active commiters against it
Ah, you mean active commiters..
Then you probably will want to know that the actual number is 6:5
if you count only active contributors and
Hi!
Want me to find some more 50 people to vote against it?
If you find 50 active commiters against it - I think it'd make sense to
hear what they have to say. Ask them why they didn't say anything by now.
We're having a conference these days, I believe I can find even more
people just to
On 28.05.2008 11:34, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
Hi!
I don't recall any languages to introduce new syntax because it's so
handy to those who come from PHP and I see no reasons for us to do it
either.
If they don't do it and we do, people come from them to us and not the
reverse.
Yeah, from
Hi!
I don't recall any languages to introduce new syntax because it's so
handy to those who come from PHP and I see no reasons for us to do it
either.
If they don't do it and we do, people come from them to us and not the
reverse. The reason is to make life easier for people. And I think
cu
On 28.05.2008 11:24, Alexey Zakhlestin wrote:
know PHP, but have a certain experience with *script languages, i.e. you're
going to do a favor for 1% and confuse the remaining 99%.
percentage is way different. such "short array syntax" is a common
ground for a lot of modern dynamic languages.
On 5/28/08, Antony Dovgal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 28.05.2008 10:44, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
>
> > Today's web developer is typically writing half their app in some variety
> of Ecmascript, either Javascript or Actionscript and this array syntax is
> second nature to all those folks.
> >
>
>
On Wed, 28 May 2008, Antony Dovgal wrote:
> On 28.05.2008 10:44, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> > Today's web developer is typically writing half their app in some
> > variety of Ecmascript, either Javascript or Actionscript and this
> > array syntax is second nature to all those folks.
>
> I don't r
>fyi - i added a RFC
>
>http://wiki.php.net/rfc/shortsyntaxforarrays
>
>please add your votes
>
>cheers
>
>Sebastian
I'm +1.
- Hans Å
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On 28.05.2008 10:44, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
Today's web developer is
typically writing half their app in some variety of Ecmascript, either
Javascript or Actionscript and this array syntax is second nature to all
those folks.
I don't recall any languages to introduce new syntax because it's so
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