Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP_5_3 Branched

2007-09-27 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
Steph Fox wrote: So I'm with Ilia over all that. The question is who? Used to be that whoever felt they had the time to do it could, so long as nobody fought the proposal. I don't see anyone fighting against your proposal for Johannes (I wouldn't either) but I also agree with Pierre's diagnosi

Re: [PHP-DEV] how php knows the charset of my code?

2007-09-27 Thread drysler
Rob Nicholson schrieb: Suggest you check out the slides from one of Andrei's talks on the subject. http://www.gravitonic.com/talks/> Now that i really know, what PHP6 is about, i can't hardly await release. It's exactly the solution the world (and me) is needing now. The only problem is, t

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP_5_3 Branched

2007-09-27 Thread Steph Fox
Hi Lukas, I do not see why we need this delayed hand over. RMs managed to take over during the process in the past and today we even have a check list for this purpose. The main challenge is managing the politics on this list and we all know how this works. Of course there are also technical i

Re: [PHP-DEV] how php knows the charset of my code?

2007-09-27 Thread Rob Nicholson
Suggest you check out the slides from one of Andrei's talks on the subject. http://www.gravitonic.com/talks/ Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO

Re: [PHP-DEV] how php knows the charset of my code?

2007-09-27 Thread drysler
Thanks Rob! So its all about ASCII. Nice to hear that php6 will address this issue. I wonder what there will be implemented... In addition to that, i hope there will be a really good default solution for processing multibyte-strings, but thats another story... :) -- Greetings, drysler Ro

Re: [PHP-DEV] how php knows the charset of my code?

2007-09-27 Thread Rob Nicholson
drysler, So you are asking about what PHP6 calls "script_encoding". PHP5 does not have this concept. PHP5 does not know the character set that your script is encoded in. The script can be encoded in any character set that is "ASCII compatible". ASCII compatible encodings have the property t

Re: [PHP-DEV] how php knows the charset of my code?

2007-09-27 Thread drysler
On 9/27/07, drysler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, i am practising with charsets at the moment and so i thought: -> How does PHP know the charset i use in my source-code? -> Are php-sources limited to specific charsets? -> In which areas you have to be aware of the source-code-charset? Per

Re: [PHP-DEV] how php knows the charset of my code?

2007-09-27 Thread drysler
On 9/27/07, drysler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, i am practising with charsets at the moment and so i thought: -> How does PHP know the charset i use in my source-code? -> Are php-sources limited to specific charsets? -> In which areas you have to be aware of the source-code-charset? Per

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP_5_3 Branched

2007-09-27 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
Andi Gutmans wrote: +1 and I think it's a good way for someone to get into the role. I do not see why we need this delayed hand over. RMs managed to take over during the process in the past and today we even have a check list for this purpose. The main challenge is managing the politics on th

Re: [PHP-DEV] how php knows the charset of my code?

2007-09-27 Thread troels knak-nielsen
On 9/27/07, drysler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > i am practising with charsets at the moment and so i thought: > > -> How does PHP know the charset i use in my source-code? > -> Are php-sources limited to specific charsets? > -> In which areas you have to be aware of the source-code-char

RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP_5_3 Branched

2007-09-27 Thread Andi Gutmans
+1 and I think it's a good way for someone to get into the role. > -Original Message- > From: Ilia Alshanetsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:07 AM > To: Steph Fox > Cc: Lukas Kahwe Smith; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Stas Malyshev; PHP > Developers Mailing List; P

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP_5_3 Branched

2007-09-27 Thread Antony Dovgal
On 27.09.2007 22:06, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > I am a biased party here, so take this with a grain of salt ;-) > > First of all, I definitely think we need 2 release masters, for 5.X > tree given that there will be two active branches, at least for the > next few months, there is simply too mu

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP_5_3 Branched

2007-09-27 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
I am a biased party here, so take this with a grain of salt ;-) First of all, I definitely think we need 2 release masters, for 5.X tree given that there will be two active branches, at least for the next few months, there is simply too much work for one person to do. My suggestion was goin

RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP_5_3 Branched

2007-09-27 Thread Andi Gutmans
I also think Ilia has had a good track record of getting to the right compromises & balances for the releases. It may be a good idea to have him continue one more release especially as this is quite a big and loaded release. If not, let's get a better understanding of who the candidates are and wha

[PHP-DEV] how php knows the charset of my code?

2007-09-27 Thread drysler
Hello, i am practising with charsets at the moment and so i thought: -> How does PHP know the charset i use in my source-code? -> Are php-sources limited to specific charsets? -> In which areas you have to be aware of the source-code-charset? Perhaps somebody here on the list can tell somethin

[PHP-DEV] RE : [PHP-DEV] Re: RE : [PATCH] zend-multibyte unicode detection vs. __halt_compiler()

2007-09-27 Thread P
> From: Rui Hirokawa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 1.set detect_unicode = Off > 2.adding declare(encoding="encoding_name") on the first line > of script can be your solution ? The 'declare' statement is not a solution because unicode detection is done before it is seen. So, PHK and PHAR remain

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP_5_3 Branched

2007-09-27 Thread Steph Fox
To be honest I would like to have you as RM. You have the background to take the right decisions and other can help when it comes to low level technical or security issues. From a management, feedbacks or compromises ready point of view, you have already proven your abilities. Pierre definitely

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP_5_3 Branched

2007-09-27 Thread Antony Dovgal
On 27.09.2007 15:41, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > I like the of getting some fresh new blood to work on this that was > brought up with the proposal of Johannes. AFAIK he already said he would > be willing to take on the job. I like the way Ilia did (still does) his job in 5_2, so I would prefer I

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP_5_3 Branched

2007-09-27 Thread Pierre
On 9/27/07, Lukas Kahwe Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jani Taskinen wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 17:20 -0700, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > >>> The 5.3 branch was just created in the CVS and is now open for > >>> development. Please remember to MFH/MFB your patches to this branch when > >>>

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP_5_3 Branched

2007-09-27 Thread Jani Taskinen
On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 13:41 +0200, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > Jani Taskinen wrote: > > This brings up one thing overlooked: Who is the RM for 5.3? > > I like the of getting some fresh new blood to work on this that was > brought up with the proposal of Johannes. AFAIK he already said he would >

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP_5_3 Branched

2007-09-27 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
Jani Taskinen wrote: On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 17:20 -0700, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: The 5.3 branch was just created in the CVS and is now open for development. Please remember to MFH/MFB your patches to this branch when making your commits. Maybe it would be a good idea to start 5.2.5 release cyc

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP_5_3 Branched

2007-09-27 Thread Jani Taskinen
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 17:20 -0700, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > > The 5.3 branch was just created in the CVS and is now open for > > development. Please remember to MFH/MFB your patches to this branch when > > making your commits. > > Maybe it would be a good idea to start 5.2.5 release cycle soo