[PHP-DEV] Beta 3

2005-07-12 Thread Andi Gutmans
Beta 3 is in CVS of phpweb and already on most servers. I will post it tomorrow if no serious show stoppers are found. Please just sanity check. We will now enter a feature freeze and hopefully have our first release candidate as planned within a couple of weeks. http://www.php.net/get/php-5.1.0

Re: [PHP-DEV] php 4.4 BC break

2005-07-12 Thread Jeremy Johnstone
On 7/12/05, Chuck Hagenbuch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, they could turn off warnings. But since the code has always run > cleanly beforehand, they don't think to do that. It's definitely not the cleanest solution, but for those of you who want to have a "quick fix" which will hide the proble

Re: [PHP-DEV] php 4.4 BC break

2005-07-12 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 00:33 13/07/2005, Nicholas Telford wrote: Firstly, a major version number increment implies a major change (4.2.0 and 4.3.0 had much more major changes than this iirc). That's the thing, though. 4.4.0 was not pitched as a major release. It was, and still is, pitched as a bugfix release.

Re: [PHP-DEV] php 4.4 BC break

2005-07-12 Thread Nicholas Telford
Firstly, a major version number increment implies a major change (4.2.0 and 4.3.0 had much more major changes than this iirc). Secondly, as far as I'm aware, it doesn't issue a warning, it issues notices which, and this has been stressed on many occasions, should not be displayed on production

Re: [PHP-DEV] php 4.4 BC break

2005-07-12 Thread Chuck Hagenbuch
Quoting Ilia Alshanetsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: In this case the "facility" was implementing, poorly might I add a handler for a clearly incorrect behavior. Removing it was not only appropriate but necessary to encourage proper code being written. I know that other people have other points of v

Re: [PHP-DEV] php 4.4 BC break

2005-07-12 Thread Pierre-Alain Joye
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:04:36 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andi Gutmans) wrote: > Just for the record, most compilers have such "bugs". It happens > when the compiler is too lenient and allows incorrect code to be > compiled. I've seen similar things happen in C/C++ and other > languages. Sure :) Was

Re: [PHP-DEV] php 4.4 BC break

2005-07-12 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
Pierre-Alain Joye wrote: The bug #33643 is not what I can call "shooting in my own foot". I'd call that precisely that, I had this happen in my own code a few times, but looking at the code logically what was being done was clearly wrong. There were cases were I fully agree to break BC, bu

Re: [PHP-DEV] php 4.4 BC break

2005-07-12 Thread Andi Gutmans
Just for the record, most compilers have such "bugs". It happens when the compiler is too lenient and allows incorrect code to be compiled. I've seen similar things happen in C/C++ and other languages. At 09:20 PM 7/12/2005 +0200, Pierre-Alain Joye wrote: On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:53:16 +0200 (CE

Re: [PHP-DEV] php 4.4 BC break

2005-07-12 Thread Pierre-Alain Joye
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:53:16 +0200 (CEST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Derick Rethans) wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Chuck Hagenbuch wrote: > > > Relax, I'm not debating the decision. Just: > > > > PLEASE can someone put a big fat warning on the php 4.4 > > announcement on www.php.net that it breaks exist

Re: [PHP-DEV] php 4.4 BC break

2005-07-12 Thread Derick Rethans
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Chuck Hagenbuch wrote: > Relax, I'm not debating the decision. Just: > > PLEASE can someone put a big fat warning on the php 4.4 announcement on > www.php.net that it breaks existing code? > > I already have people upgrading to it and wondering why they get tons of > warning

[PHP-DEV] php 4.4 BC break

2005-07-12 Thread Chuck Hagenbuch
Relax, I'm not debating the decision. Just: PLEASE can someone put a big fat warning on the php 4.4 announcement on www.php.net that it breaks existing code? I already have people upgrading to it and wondering why they get tons of warnings now. We're fixing them as quick as we can, but honest

Re: [PHP-DEV] Interesting zend_executor_globals Find...

2005-07-12 Thread Jessie Hernandez
Andrei, Yes, I did a make clean before changing the struct on both occasions (putting it after class_table and at the end of the struct). -- Jessie "Andrei Zmievski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Did you recompile PHP completely after you changed the struct? If

[PHP-DEV] RE: Bringing the 'include' discussion to an end

2005-07-12 Thread Nicholas Telford
Isn't the point of bringing a discussion to an end that it actually ends? Please let it go. Nicholas Telford - Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/uns