Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
George Schlossnagle wrote: > Using 4.x as a guide, it's around 1 minor release per year. Why not follow the good example of for instance the GNOME project? They make 2 minor releases per year (with bugfix release in between) and have a public release schedule / feature roadmap for each rele

[PHP-DEV] protected/private access and var_dump/print_r

2004-05-17 Thread Sara Golemon
var_dump($someobject); shows only public properties (as I'd expect), but print_r($someobject) shows all properties (explicitly identifying protected/private props). Am I wrong in thinking that's not right? -Sara -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http

[PHP-DEV] [ZEND PATCH] Bugfix#28404

2004-05-17 Thread Sara Golemon
Here's the fix for 28404, someone with ZE karma care to apply? -Sara Index: Zend/zend_execute.c === RCS file: /repository/ZendEngine2/zend_execute.c,v retrieving revision 1.644 diff -u -r1.644 zend_execute.c --- Zend/zend_execute.c 2

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread Jason Garber
It may be worth noting the way MySQL AB has been rolling out MySQL. They released 4.0.0 as a restructured release, did bug fixes and small changes up through 4.0.19, and are approaching the release of 4.1 with significant new features. It sounds like the same might apply here. ~Jason At 5/18/

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread Andrei Zmievski
On Tue, 18 May 2004, Andi Gutmans wrote: > Thanks Andrei. I'm sorry about this mess (I know it's my fault). > I think it's becoming clear things are being held back because of the 5.0 > release. As I mentioned I also have some work I'm holding back. > I suggest so that we make sure that things are

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread Andi Gutmans
Thanks Andrei. I'm sorry about this mess (I know it's my fault). I think it's becoming clear things are being held back because of the 5.0 release. As I mentioned I also have some work I'm holding back. I suggest so that we make sure that things aren't being held back for too long we plan on rele

[PHP-DEV] FYI: Next draft of MySQL FLOSS license exception

2004-05-17 Thread Zak Greant
Greetings, There is a new draft of the MySQL FLOSS license exception that is available for public review at http://zak.greant.com:/licensing/getfile/licensing/FLOSS- exception.txt?v=1.4 MySQL is actively seeking input on the process of reviewing and drafting this document. If you have inp

[PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 5.0/5.1 (was: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l)

2004-05-17 Thread Sara Golemon
> It's not a big deal either way we go. If everyone is ok with the fact that > this was a one time slip and there aren't going to be any other feature > additions, small or big, so be it. > Long as it doesn't become a habbit :) > I think that in order to prevent PHP 5.0 lingering to oblivion, we

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread Andrei Zmievski
It's reverted. Hope everyone's happy. - Andrei -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread Andrei Zmievski
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Sara Golemon wrote: > Let me respond by saying there wasn't a big deal. I asked if this was too > late in the RC cycle to justify a non-critical exception to the feature > freeze. The response of "Andi/Zeev okayed it" was fine. But now you're > standing there telling me that

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread Andrei Zmievski
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > Given the number of pending features various people want to add, perhaps now > is the time for the 5.1 branch where all the new features can go to and if > some prove to be stable and reliable. Then perhaps they can be introduced in > 5.0.1, which w

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread Andrei Zmievski
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Andi Gutmans wrote: > This is why I allowed important features in despite the feature freeze. > However, it doesn't mean that unimportant stuff should go in as much as > people want because otherwise we can't make a good release. I don't think > open-source is about adding e

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 22:49 17/05/2004, George Schlossnagle wrote: Using 4.x as a guide, it's around 1 minor release per year. Waiting a month or two for a feature seems completely reasonable. Waiting a year for it seems onerous. 4.x is completely irrelevant, because we only switched to the approach that 3rd digit r

[PHP-DEV] PHP 5.0/5.1 (was: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l)

2004-05-17 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 20:16 17/05/2004, George Schlossnagle wrote: On May 17, 2004, at 1:08 PM, Wez Furlong wrote: IMO, if we're going to be strict with the feature freeze, Andi/Zeev should have said no in the first place, rather than allowing it to be committed and then asking for it to be reverted. Erm, we're human

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread George Schlossnagle
Using 4.x as a guide, it's around 1 minor release per year. Waiting a month or two for a feature seems completely reasonable. Waiting a year for it seems onerous. George On May 17, 2004, at 3:41 PM, Zeev Suraski wrote: I agree with everything Sara says. So we delay it for a few months, what's th

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread Zeev Suraski
I agree with everything Sara says. So we delay it for a few months, what's the big deal there? There are several features that we want to insert to PHP 5 but are not because of the feature freeze (realpath cache, TSRM updates, etc.). There'll be plenty of reasons to go for 5.1 pretty much immedi

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
But what separates an import feature from a slightly less important one? One hand adding self contained function would not affect any of the code outside of the function, so why not add it. That said, this function may introduce new bugs and further delay the already much overdue release. We may

[PHP-DEV] PHP 4.3.7RC1 Release Schedule

2004-05-17 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
Hi Guys, Just a quick update on the 4.3.X tree, we have close to 25 fixes in the CVS at this point and we might as well start ball rolling as far as making 4.3.7. I'd would like to release the RC1 of 4.3.7 this Thursday, so if you have any pending bug fixes please commit them. If you need more

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread Andi Gutmans
This is why I allowed important features in despite the feature freeze. However, it doesn't mean that unimportant stuff should go in as much as people want because otherwise we can't make a good release. I don't think open-source is about adding every single feature at any single point of time.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread Sara Golemon
> There is no such thing as a feature freeze in PHP land, historically. > And that minor bug has already been fixed. > Oh what wonderful news, that means I can start commit patches again! Let's see, I've got that source binding patch for the network stuff, I've got those compression filters that I

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread Andi Gutmans
Hey, Definitely not a year. There are some features I'd like to work on right after 5.0 but which I haven't done because of the feature freeze and the possibility of affecting stability. I think if we open a 5.1 branch close after releasing 5.0 we can probably release something within three mont

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread Andrei Zmievski
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Andrei Zmievski wrote: > On Mon, 17 May 2004, Sara Golemon wrote: > > Sure it's been inconsistently applied, but that doesn't mean that striving > > for consistency is inherently bad. It's especially "not bad" when the > > initial implementation of the exception in question is

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread Andrei Zmievski
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Sara Golemon wrote: > Sure it's been inconsistently applied, but that doesn't mean that striving > for consistency is inherently bad. It's especially "not bad" when the > initial implementation of the exception in question is incompatable with one > of the officially recommend

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread Sara Golemon
> > Personally, I'm +1 on this patch getting in PHP 5.0.0, as it is an > > excellent > > companion to the additional ini directory scan stuff. > > Feature freeze has always been highly inconsistently applied. There > are plenty of functions added/augmented in point-releases of php4. > This sudden

[PHP-DEV] Minor Zend Engine Niggle

2004-05-17 Thread l0t3k
ive noticed in all the OOP extensions callbacks for properties that the "member" (property name) is not guaranteed to be a string zval. is there a reason for this, given that any other type should have choked the lexer in the first place ? even if not, then can the casting be done in the engine as

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread George Schlossnagle
On May 17, 2004, at 1:08 PM, Wez Furlong wrote: IMO, if we're going to be strict with the feature freeze, Andi/Zeev should have said no in the first place, rather than allowing it to be committed and then asking for it to be reverted. Personally, I'm +1 on this patch getting in PHP 5.0.0, as it

RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread Wez Furlong
IMO, if we're going to be strict with the feature freeze, Andi/Zeev should have said no in the first place, rather than allowing it to be committed and then asking for it to be reverted. Personally, I'm +1 on this patch getting in PHP 5.0.0, as it is an excellent companion to the additional ini di

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread Derick Rethans
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Andrei Zmievski wrote: > On Mon, 17 May 2004, Derick Rethans wrote: > > I guess it would be around a year, and yes, that's a long time to wait > > for a new feature. > > Whatever happened to "release early, release often" philosophy? I can't, > no, I refuse to believe that we

[PHP-DEV] Re: shared extensions don't load there default ini settings

2004-05-17 Thread su1d
> This problem noticed in HEAD with pgsql extension for example. When loaded > via php.ini it does not function since it thinks that the maximum number of > connections is exhausted. None of the other php.ini settings seem to be > registered. Actually, it neither gets loaded with dl() call. That

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread Andrei Zmievski
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Derick Rethans wrote: > I guess it would be around a year, and yes, that's a long time to wait > for a new feature. Whatever happened to "release early, release often" philosophy? I can't, no, I refuse to believe that we have to wait another year to get a new feature out. - A

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread Derick Rethans
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Andrei Zmievski wrote: > On Sun, 16 May 2004, Andi Gutmans wrote: > > Yeah I think Zeev is probably right, especially as I don't think we need > > more than one more RC before we release. > > Andrei, do you mind if we revisit this after 5.0? > > How long will 5.1 take after 5.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZendEngine2 / zend_ini_parser.y zend_ini_scanner.l

2004-05-17 Thread Andrei Zmievski
On Sun, 16 May 2004, Andi Gutmans wrote: > Yeah I think Zeev is probably right, especially as I don't think we need > more than one more RC before we release. > Andrei, do you mind if we revisit this after 5.0? How long will 5.1 take after 5.0 is release? A month? A year? - Andrei -- PHP Inter

[PHP-DEV] Re: Streams - Extensions

2004-05-17 Thread Sara Golemon
Two things: (1) If all you're doing is outputting, go for php_printf() rather than the php://stdout or php://output stream. It avoids the need to open additional streams and makes sure that your extension won't have problems compiling against pre-4.3 versions of PHP. (2) You've got code defined

[PHP-DEV] Re: Streams - Extensions

2004-05-17 Thread Ben Chivers
Hi, I've been looking at the PHP streams source code. I wondered if you could help with this problem i've got with a PHP extension. Any help with this would be very much appreciated! What I want to do is create a php extension which parses php code to the interpreter. e.g. the php script usi

[PHP-DEV] shared extensions don't load there default ini settings

2004-05-17 Thread Edin Kadribasic
Hi, This problem noticed in HEAD with pgsql extension for example. When loaded via php.ini it does not function since it thinks that the maximum number of connections is exhausted. None of the other php.ini settings seem to be registered. Could this be related to the patch preventing loading ext

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PEAR-DEV] Re: HTML_Form and accesskeys

2004-05-17 Thread Daniel Convissor
Hi: Sorry. Poted to wrong list. Duh, --Dan -- T H E A N A L Y S I S A N D S O L U T I O N S C O M P A N Y data intensive web and database programming http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/ 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232 v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PEAR-DEV] Re: HTML_Form and accesskeys

2004-05-17 Thread Daniel Convissor
On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 04:05:07PM +1000, Aidan Lister wrote: > Is there anything this package does that quickform doesn't? Beats me. All I know is that it's light weight and is used by pearweb. While QuickForm is much larger and used by pearweb too. HTML_Form seems to be widely used, with over

[PHP-DEV] CVS Account Request: china

2004-05-17 Thread han nian
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[PHP-DEV] PHP 4 Bug Summary Report

2004-05-17 Thread internals
PHP 4 Bug Database summary - http://bugs.php.net Num Status Summary (786 total including feature requests) ===[*Compile Issues]== 28364 Feedback libphp4.so not generated even though makes worked 28385 Open $(prefix)/lib/php/buil