Re: [Int-area] [ietf-privacy] WG Adoption

2014-06-05 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Brian, in my experience working group adoption is more than the working group agreeing to work on the topic. It is generally the working group agreeing that the given document is a good basis for starting the work. Yes, there will almost always be need for improvement. Sometimes major improv

Re: [Int-area] ILA and int-area

2017-05-13 Thread Joel M. Halpern
It appears to me that there are contexts in which it is likely that ILA is useful. Using the example of the progression of LISP, I have concern with the current approach of NOT spelling out how and where it would be used. LISP started out as experimental in significant part because it was not

Re: [Int-area] ILA and int-area

2017-05-16 Thread Joel M. Halpern
that this can be used (roughly speaking) ~anywhere you can figure out a way to control it~ seems a bit odd. Yours, Joel On 5/16/17 11:25 PM, Erik Kline wrote: On 14 May 2017 at 03:21, Tom Herbert mailto:t...@herbertland.com>> wrote: On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 11:03 AM, Joel

Re: [Int-area] ILA and int-area

2017-05-17 Thread Joel M. Halpern
data centers. I think you understand my point, so I will not belabour it. Yours, Joel On 5/17/17 1:53 AM, Tom Herbert wrote: On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: If we want the documents to be informational, then it should be about a context where we understand how to build the

Re: [Int-area] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-intarea-probe-07

2017-12-04 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Thank you Ron. On the E-bit (or P-Bit), is the important goal that it is a virtual interface, that it is pseudowire, or ? It might help there text indicating what a receiver might do differently based on this bit being set or unset. Having said that, Ethernet Pseudowire is at least a clearer

Re: [Int-area] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-intarea-probe-07

2017-12-04 Thread Joel M. Halpern
ce we can't enumerate every type of pseudowire endpoint, we might as well just call it a pseudowire endpoint and provide no further information about the type. Ron -Original Message----- Fr

Re: [Int-area] [Gen-art] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-intarea-probe-07

2017-12-06 Thread Joel M. Halpern
: Ron Bonica ; Joel M. Halpern ; gen-...@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-intarea-probe@ietf.org; int-area@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org; pals-cha...@tools.ietf.org; mpls-cha...@ietf.org; l2tpext-cha...@ietf.org; The IESG Subject: Re: [Gen-art] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-intarea-probe-07 I cannot quite

Re: [Int-area] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-intarea-probe-08.txt

2017-12-12 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Thanks Ron. The changes related to our discussions nicely address my concerns. Yours, Joel On 12/12/17 4:14 PM, Ron Bonica wrote: Folks, I have posted a new version of draft-ietf-intarea-probe reflecting IETF LC comments from Joel, Stewart, Stephan, Yaron and Amanda. Please take a look at t

Re: [Int-area] WGLC on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-05

2019-01-14 Thread Joel M. Halpern
I have re-read this document. I think it is a useful document that captures that state of a complex tradeoff and makes effective recommendations. I support publishing it as a BCP. If the authors make further additions, adding a mention of ECMP as a particular case of stateless load balancers

Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-08-06 Thread Joel M. Halpern
As far as I can tell (as a mostly observer who is now shepherding this document) the working group seemed very reluctant to get too specific about what were or were not constrained environments where fragmentation might (reasonably?) be expected (or not expected) to work. I fear that trying to

Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-08-06 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Brian, I would think the text just above the paragraph Alissa quoted would already cover what you ask for. It begins: Developers SHOULD NOT develop new protocols or applications that rely on IP fragmentation. Yours, Joel On 8/6/2019 8:55 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 07-Aug-19 12:11

Re: [Int-area] [ih] Fwd: Existing use of IP protocol 114 (any 0-hop protocol)

2019-09-22 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Assuming your interpretation is correct (which seems to match what I have seen), that would also seem to indicate that allowing them to hijack an existing code point for their use is also not appropriate. Yours, Joel On 9/22/2019 11:20 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: Hi Bob, I think it would be fi

Re: [Int-area] L2TP sequencing: Commonly disabled for IP data? Or always?

2021-06-09 Thread Joel M. Halpern
There is plenty of L2TP still in use. Yours, Joel On 6/9/2021 6:23 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote: Sequence number checking in the forwarder is always a problem because it is stateful so I doubt that many high-scale or high-speed forwarders ever did this. I think there is an undisclosed assumption

Re: [Int-area] Side meeting follow-up: What exact features do we want from the Internet?

2021-12-03 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Joe, I am missing something in your wish. Ethernet, when it defines new heders, also revises the definition of the actual frame format on the wire. The IETF does not own the frame format on the wire. We do not own the link MTU. Unless we want to reinvent X.25 with linkwise fragmentation and

Re: [Int-area] Where/How is the features innovation happening?

2021-12-16 Thread Joel M. Halpern
I sure hope you are wrong about where things are going. Because the logical consequence of the placement and addressing picture you paint is that all innovation in applications and uses of the Internet comes from incumbent players who have the leverage and resources to be present at almost all

Re: [Int-area] Meaning of Identifier, Locator, and Address (was Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?)

2022-03-04 Thread Joel M. Halpern
I do not believe the community has an agreed definition of identifier or locator. We do have some relatively common usage for locator. As far as I know there is no fully acurate and written down definition even for that. Note also that while Dino likes LISP for lots of things (for good reas

Re: [Int-area] IP Parcels improves performance for end systems

2022-03-24 Thread Joel M. Halpern
This exchange seems to assume facts not in evidence. And the whole premise is spending resources in other parts of the network for a marginal diminishing return in the hosts. It simply does not add up. Yours, Joel On 3/24/2022 2:19 PM, Templin (US), Fred L wrote: The category 1) links are n

Re: [Int-area] IP Parcels improves performance for end systems

2022-03-24 Thread Joel M. Halpern
providing enough benefit to justify the work. Yours, Joel On 3/24/2022 3:05 PM, Templin (US), Fred L wrote: Hi Joel, -Original Message----- From: Joel M. Halpern [mailto:j...@joelhalpern.com] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 11:41 AM To: Templin (US), Fred L Cc: int-area Subject: Re: [In

Re: [Int-area] IP Parcels improves performance for end systems

2022-03-24 Thread Joel M. Halpern
l-capable links can begin to proliferate in the edges at a pace that suits them. BTW, coincidentally, my professional career got started in 1983 also. Admittedly, I did not get into network driver and NIC architecture support until 1986. Fred -Original Message----- From: Joel M. Ha

Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: IP Parcels improves performance for end systems

2022-03-24 Thread Joel M. Halpern
he core routers will see no changes while the end systems will see the benefits of more efficient packaging through the use of parcels. Fred -Original Message----- From: Joel M. Halpern [mailto:j...@joelhalpern.com] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 12:41 PM To: Templin (US), Fred L Cc: in

Re: [Int-area] IP Parcels improves performance for end systems

2022-03-24 Thread Joel M. Halpern
, March 24, 2022 1:42 PM To: Templin (US), Fred L ; Joel M. Halpern Cc: int-area Subject: RE: [Int-area] IP Parcels improves performance for end systems Understood. But some router or whatever will need to do the parcel break and assembly anyway. In high speed network, this is much more challenging

[Int-area] LISP status and charter

2009-01-22 Thread Joel M. Halpern
I am probably in the minority, but I thought I would mention one additional reason why I would not want to hold up forming the LISP working group while trying to figure out how one tests / performs experiments on huge scale issues. While I have my concerns about whether LISP is the right answe

Re: [Int-area] Review of draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-05

2010-08-20 Thread Joel M. Halpern
There does seem to be one significant benefit for being able to get the same size block from different providers. If you have used one size, and change providers, if the prefix length gets longer, you have to rework your plan. And if it gets shorter, but you don't rework your plan, you are wast

Re: [Int-area] Your availability for a pre-WGLC document review

2010-09-13 Thread Joel M. Halpern
3 Sep 2010, at 21:43, Joel M. Halpern wrote: This document appears to be in good shape. I do have one minor concern, and one quibble. THe minor concern is that the document implies that encapsulating packets with IP options is easily done and a general answer. It is easily done when MPLS is used a

Re: [Int-area] My comments on draft-boucadair-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-04 from the meeting

2011-11-26 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Joe, I am missing something. There is an observation that the behavior described in this document has privacy implications. Either that statement is true, or it is not. If it is not true, then there is no need to do anything. However, it appears likely the statement is true. If it i

[Int-area] Nat Reveal Analysis

2012-08-20 Thread Joel M. Halpern
into section 3 (privacy)? I believe the concerns raised above can be easily addressed, and once done this document seems to be ready for advancement. Yours, Joel M. Halpern ___ Int-area mailing list Int-area@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Int-area] Nat Reveal Analysis

2012-08-21 Thread Joel M. Halpern
f.org [mailto:int-area-boun...@ietf.org] De la part de Joel M. Halpern Envoyé : lundi 20 août 2012 22:52 À : Internet Area Objet : [Int-area] Nat Reveal Analysis My thanks to the authors for submitting a revised version of draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-03. I have looked at this document, and have

Re: [Int-area] Nat Reveal Analysis

2012-08-21 Thread Joel M. Halpern
..the damage can be restricted to a home premises or a large number of customers when NPTv6 is used or any other deployment context requiring the share the first 64 bits. Does this makes sense to you? Cheers, Med -Message d'origine- De : Joel M. Halpern [mailto:j...@joelhalpern.c

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-04.txt

2012-08-21 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Thank you Med. These changes resolve all of my concerns. Yours, Joel On 8/21/2012 11:22 AM, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: Re-, This version integrates the comments from J. Halpern. Many thanks to Joel for the review. A diff is provided below to see the changes. Cheers, Med -Mes