;.
#
# Don't put PLAIN before LOGIN -- it buggers Mozilla.
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sasl_mech_list: LOGIN PLAIN
I'm not sure why Mozilla was confused, or whether current versions would
still be confused, but suffice it to say that no current clients I've
encountered in relatively large user
ake everything far more complicated than it needs to be?
Especially things related to user management?
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ly not sure why anyone would worry about Cyrus creating
mailboxes. Things have worked this way for nearly forever in Unix
systems. The mailer always creates mailboxes automatically for users
who are known to exist.
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access to the
appropriate backend, then so can it direct an initial delivery for
mailbox creation.
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en if that means automatically creating mailboxes
(and perhaps also setting default quota) when necessary.
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, but I think you really want to find
out the truth about how your users perceive the correct behaviour before
you go about abusing it into some caricature of what you think they
might want.
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- it is no accident, and it's not just about MS-Exchange, it's a
whole philosophy and business methodology engineered to put the screws
to open standards and open source.
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nce of
how well they are able to control the market and profit from it?
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Cyru
move to good
success and the WWW is full of their stories.
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Cyrus Wiki/FAQ: http://cy
endars, etc.).
Perhaps Mozilla's answers to calendar management would work for many
folks too. Mozilla even cater to those who can't seem to separate
calendar management from e-mail in their minds with Lightning, but
personally I'd stick with Sunbird if I were to use Mozilla's to
's way too scary
for me. I'd hate to think what the security implications might be, and
I suspect there are many, but that they'll be a lot harder to find and
fix than they would be if one used an integrated web browser and mail
reader in Emacs (or a Smalltalk environment,
functionality may be close to
identical). One is an integrated app bundle, the other is more
stand-alone.
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List Archives/Info: http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/mailing-list.html
Sieve should _NEVER_ be used to reject or bounce e-mail. It becomes a
DoS reflector when so configured.
(even use of the vacation feature is questionable, especially since it's
not usually configured in the proper way)
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limiting
the number of redirects a script can perform (as well as other required
controls).
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At Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:39:28 -0500, Mike Eggleston wrote:
Subject: sieve configuration (was Automatically moving marked mails?)
>
> On Thu, 09 Jul 2009, Greg A. Woods might have said:
> >
> > (even use of the vacation feature is questionable, especially since it's
> &
MTA is attempting to make the delivery.
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, then
you can and should probably just use your MUA to do that)
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At Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:54:12 +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote:
Subject: Re: Exec'ing a script from Cyrus when imapd has a client
>
> Le mardi 20 octobre 2009 à 13:00 -0700, David Lang a écrit :
> > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, Greg A. Woods wrote:
> >
> > > At Tue, 20 Oct 20
ng Cyrus or fetchmail at all in this scenario is pretty much
infinitely more robust. :-)
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ks.
Teach your users to use e-mail responsibly.
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work without any of this unnecessary
complexity in the middle in the first place.
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believe
that they do somehow need their own IMAP server for this reason. There
must be some false conception or expectation permeating some parts of
the ether out there.
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and saving/dragging messages between folders.
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hat you originally asked is really a systems programming
question, one more appropriate for a forum related to systems
programming for kind of OS you're running your server on. There are
potentially dozens of various ways the same end result could be achieved
on any one given OS and system confi
> Thanks. I guess I should start learning perl anyway.
Try Python instead -- it's _MUCH_ more productive! :-)
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Cyru
ven desired
location is to use a proper and robust Mail Transport Agent with
whatever protocol is most appropriate and effective for the job.
Fetchmail is not a solution to anything, and never was!
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At Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:54:30 +1100, Bron Gondwana wrote:
Subject: Re: Exec'ing a script from Cyrus when imapd has a client
>
> On Sat, Nov 07, 2009 at 11:08:31AM -0500, Greg A. Woods wrote:
> >
> > Just get a forwarding alias installed on the remote mail server and then
ery much like to stop anyone from offering such hacks as
"solutions" to others though, especially when there are perfectly good
alternatives which don't violate any protocol layers and which are
infinitely more robust and reliable.
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ost everything that IMAPv4 will easily allow. It has additional
features that make it possible to work offline. That sounds like a
proper IMAP client to me.
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ds and we're dying to bang away on something. If the user wants
some screws installed then we'd be doing them a huge favour if we would
go and find the proper screwdriver to do the job for them!
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e up with a solid real-world scenario where there
isn't a much simpler and more obvious solution available, one that can
only be seen by stepping back and looking at the actual requirements
from a higher level.
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tch being circulated does.
Currently the patch only tells _waiting_ processes to timeout and exit
without accepting any new connections. _Active_ working processes will
still _ignore_ the SIGHUP.
The patch as it sits is _extremely_ safe!
It probably also does _exactly_ what your vendor's solution r
haps dealing with mailboxes for
deleted users and other sundry cleanup details.
> 5) Backup option of user mailbox should be available.
Backups are effectively a system level issue, not a direct issue to be
dealt with explicitly by any given application.
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and include the following in /etc/cyrus.conf in the SERVICES section.
lmtpcmd="lmtpd" listen="mailbox:lmtp" prefork=0
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e how
that affects process restart. On my NetBSD systems static-linking makes
a _huge_ difference, even for just a very few shared libraries, and with
many shared libraries the difference is easily perceptible by human
means alone.
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At Fri, 26 Mar 2010 07:15:07 +0100, Gabor Gombas wrote:
Subject: Re: [patches] avoid unless exit()
>
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:30:42AM -0400, Greg A. Woods wrote:
> >
> > indeed, and memory "frees" itself at exit time too, and calling free() a
> > whole l
At Sun, 28 Mar 2010 22:19:16 +0200, Gabor Gombas wrote:
Subject: Re: [patches] avoid unless exit()
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:01:01PM -0400, Greg A. Woods wrote:
>
> > on "return" paths, perhaps, but not exit() paths -- there is no leak on
> > exit() :-)
>
simple practice. :-)
Unless you're hinting at the larger model of properly using separate
processes to manage separate threads of execution.
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going to go away on its own, especially not
where the sites in question don't also control all the software that
users might use on their own computers.
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allowing raw data through then there are even better chances that
sanity checks will be skipped and foreign data will be trusted by
unsuspecting client software.
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em, not anything in any application.
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ffc0086f7c7a8 w
cyrusmaster 27545 25* unix dgram fe0f8e80
cyrusmaster 27545 26* pipe 0xfc0086f7c578 <- 0xfc0086f7c348 rn
cyrusmaster 27545 27* pipe 0xfc0086f7c348 -> 0xfc0086f7c578 w
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-up connection.
The report about Thunderbird on Windoze not using the squat index is
interesting though
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r, whether or not to process on startup and
"get new mail", but you pretty much have to do that on all folders if
you want to use more than one IMAP client.
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hing that will.
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mkcyrusoqlist
Description: Binary data
c00
cgrotor 0 fmod0 ronly 0 clean 0x02
blocks available in each of 1 rotational positions
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al if an
account is re-created for the same human user.
(BTW, the autocreate patch I use now with 2.2.x does seem to work well
with unixhierarchysep, as do I believe the relevant patches did with all
older releases as well. I've never tried it with altnamespace as that
feature seems to bug
pare time. From
what you've said the same thinking seems to apply to your site as well.
Maybe some site will eventually want both autocreate and a murder
cluster and they'll find some way to pay for their proper integration.
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u can get two for far less than the price of one
and that gives you a full parts kit for your own repairs)
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some
unspecified combination of Cyrus users and storage capacity. :-)
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At Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:20:57 -0500,
Greg Harris wrote:
>
> On 7/26/06 3:33 PM, "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Using a SCSI host interface isn't going to be nearly so flexible as
> > using a Fibre Channel one, especially in the longer
At Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:07:12 -0500,
Phil Brutsche wrote:
>
> Greg A. Woods wrote:
> > not yet in smart controllers that simply make it look like a more
> > traditional storage device thus off-loading all the protocol handling
> > to a dedicated control processor
>
into its own private VLAN either, not that there aren't
zillions of available private subnets to play with. :-))
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etter
database design one could use SQL triggers to push changes to a little
daemon that did smarter updates in near real time.
I for one would never ever even consider using any system that required
me to store any authentication key in clear text!
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t; in an alias expansion).
More complete solutions can be implemented using a mailing list manager,
the likes of GNU Mailman.
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, and I'm not even sure I'd bother telling the users.
Most of the ones I deal with are too ignorant of these issues to
understand the implications beforehand anyway. They will only learn by
experience.
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e most effective for given purposes. In my tired stupor I was
following the upgrading document and that's the real reason I forgot to
do anything with the quota_db -- it simply wasn't mentioned.
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t expect to do database work on any diskless NFS client
implemented using NetBSD, yet.)
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(NetBSD in particular would be best from my
perspective, especially since it runs on the most platforms)
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-- perhaps
the message will always appear new (and a POP client will always
download it anew too) and so nothing need be done special?
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#x27;m not even sure I
want to give my users a real "discard" action -- I think I'll rewrite it
to "fileinto Junk" or some such more undo-able action.
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At Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:18:59 +0100,
Phil Pennock wrote:
>
> On 2006-11-29 at 16:49 -0500, Greg A. Woods wrote:
> > BTW, this whole idea of generating new mail from SIEVE is bogus. The
> > local mail service should NEVER EVER IN A MILLION YEARS ever generate
> > new
and masterd). Adding byte counters and any missing event
counters to the MIB(s) would be one quite logical (and rather easy)
thing to do.
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pipe_cmd = deliver_cmd "-f \"" ret_path "\" " user;
for (i = 1; i <= hc; i++) {
print header[i] | pipe_cmd;
}
print "" | pipe_cmd;
next;
}
! in_he
ideal time), though something like that needs a bit
of pre-warning and lots of documentation.
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it mode), as well as
the newer 64-bit SPARC machines (again, in 64-bit mode).
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otherwise
unnecessary effort.
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hot swap ?
If you use FFSv2 snapshots then you'd probably be OK doing an rsync of
the snapsot to another (preferably off-site) backup host. Perhaps you
would want to use rdiff-backup, though a plain rsync should be
sufficient for mailboxes.
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known
high-risk DoS target too, but I'd still keep the MX separate just so
that adding another MX host would be a half-hour job for a junior baby
sysadmin at worst.
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, if
legit, knows immediately that there is a problem with the message.)
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At Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:40:25 -0400, Derek T. Yarnell wrote:
Subject: Re: remove entry from deliver.db
>
> On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 13:40 -0400, Greg A. Woods wrote:
> >
> > If the user accidentally deletes a message then restoring it from
> > backups should be no differ
9 imapd: imapd:
localhost [127.0.0.1]
I haven't tried profiling the code yet (I'll have to replicate the
config on a test server that I'll have to build first).
I'm wondering if anyone else has seen this kind of problem and whether
or not anyone has looked into possible causes yet or not.
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erence should be in the parsing that would be
necessary to change a flat mailboxes.db record into some more
efficiently stored and compared internal representation. One thought
I've had is that perhaps the whole mailboxes.db file is being re-parsed
for every record, instead of reading it all in
al 11
>
> Never mind - corrupted mailbox - sorry for the noise.
It still shouldn't crash -- that's still a _major_ bug!
Maybe you've got a core dump that you can analyze? At least to get a
stack backtrace and a dump of the local variables, etc.?
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ith the data it reads,
even from local disks, such that a violation of those assumptions can
lead to a core dump.
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e
offending NUL -- but don't try to do this in Cyrus as it's the wrong
place for such transformations to be attempted!!!)
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I am working on other stuff.
So apparently the proper fix should be quite easy to implement, and done
right a patch is likely to be accepted back by Wietse as well.
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x is
what needs fixing. Cyrus users who are using other MTAs are not having
this problem in the first place -- only postfix users are suffering.
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sending side, or at least an
attempt to send opaque binary content of some type (which should have
been encoded somewhow and thus also indicates either a serious bug on
the sending side; or else it indicates malicious intent on the sending
side).
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uch it rejects
invalid content, and to choose an MTA that can do so!)
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d off
(and make sure that the Cyrus LMTP daemon does not advertise 8BITMIME
and that Postfix does right MIME conversions when sending to LMTP).
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Planix,
somebody know why this patch isn't
> included in Cyrus? http://email.uoa.gr/projects/cyrus/autocreate/
I've been asking myself the same question for several years now, ever
since I created a very similar patch too. :-)
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[ On Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 16:49:53 (-0700), Wil Cooley wrote: ]
> Subject: Re: Autocreatequota and mailbox
>
> On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 17:20 -0400, Greg A. Woods wrote:
>
> > > Does somebody know why this patch isn't
> > > included in Cyrus? http://ema
ral-purpose mail server, and I've
never had any problem with it before (only compliments!).
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[ On Monday, May 30, 2005 at 22:32:37 (+0200), John Fawcett wrote: ]
> Subject: Re: Double Carriage return breaks header ..
>
> Greg A. Woods wrote:
> > Really your MTA should be correcting it long before it gets passed on.
>
> is there a basis for this?
Well, maybe. :-)
eal $$$ for their software not demand real fixes!?!?!?)
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EOL anywhere but in the
headers. Small consolation, but something
I guess the question "we" need to ask is whether there are any existing
client-LMTP implementations which might send just as their
end-of-line terminator. I should hope not
I'm going to guess that humans don&#
e security type suggest this bogus idea?
Remember, a working exploit doesn't need to see any version ID to do its
job.
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w "exploitable" version numbers,
even though the actual running software was patched months ago. :-)
It's a great excuse to not pay them and to tell them to go bugger off
get a real job that they're qualified for, such as digging ditches
's equivalent to using the wire-cutter
style of "permanent firewall").
Fix the bugs (or don't run the service) -- don't just pretend to hide
them, because you cannot.
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Schneier's "Secrets & Lies"
if you need further explanation.
So, to repeat what is said above, since the point doesn't seem
to be getting across very well:
"All that disabling the banner does, is make idiots
feel comfortable."
(and make it
for every
incoming SMTP transaction (which specified any locally deliverable
recipient) so that the recipient could be verified.
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comparison and rather useless
for determining the cause of bottlenecks in real-world applications that
may open many files at a time (unless you script frameworks to wrap them
with, in which case you are simply re-inventing something like PostMark).
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wrote this script for my own use to migrate several largish mail
servers, and so far it has served me very well.
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able yet on either the server side or
the client side; and in some situations it's still very difficult to
depoly effectively. WHOSON, and DRAC, work well where they can work.)
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