[Ietf-dkim] Re: PROPOSAL: reopen this working group and work on DKIM2

2024-11-16 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Alessandro Vesely wrote in <34f44d43-09f1-4dbb-9b9e-11391a022...@tana.it>: |On 15/11/2024 20:13, Dave Crocker wrote: |> On 11/15/2024 10:55 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: |>> On 13/11/2024 21:14, Dave Crocker wrote: |>>> While 'indirect' has well-established context in many email technical |>>

[Ietf-dkim] Re: PROPOSAL: reopen this working group and work on DKIM2

2024-11-16 Thread Richard Clayton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In message <20241116204935.dCb0mQcG@steffen%sdaoden.eu>, Steffen Nurpmeso writes >Having said that, if it is really acceptable to include the entire >history of changes in that "stack" that email headers form (hihi: >yes please, i find it absurd that

[Ietf-dkim] Re: PROPOSAL: reopen this working group and work on DKIM2

2024-11-16 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Richard Clayton wrote in : |-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- |Hash: SHA1 | |In message <20241116204935.dCb0mQcG@steffen%sdaoden.eu>, Steffen |Nurpmeso writes | |>Having said that, if it is really acceptable to include the entire |>history of changes in that "stack" that email headers fo

[Ietf-dkim] Re: PROPOSAL: reopen this working group and work on DKIM2

2024-11-16 Thread John Levine
It appears that Murray S. Kucherawy said: >A small operator or individual with a good idea that lacks the resources to >test at scale shouldn't be excluded unnecessarily. Are the large operators >reasonably willing to test promising ideas even if they're not their own? Based on private discussi

[Ietf-dkim] Re: PROPOSAL: reopen this working group and work on DKIM2

2024-11-16 Thread Dave Crocker
On 11/16/2024 2:39 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: DMARC's alignment requirement is an attempt at capturing the concept of legitimacy. It is an attempt at defining and constraining a very specific kind of limited legitimacy. Yup, it is successful as it catches a good deal of cases, direct mail

[Ietf-dkim] Re: PROPOSAL: reopen this working group and work on DKIM2

2024-11-16 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On 15/11/2024 20:13, Dave Crocker wrote: On 11/15/2024 10:55 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: On 13/11/2024 21:14, Dave Crocker wrote: While 'indirect' has well-established context in many email technical circles, I believe it does not have clear, consistent, and precise meaning.  So it needs to b