Re: [Ietf-dkim] replay is a bogus concept

2023-08-18 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Jesse Thompson wrote in : |On Thu, Aug 17, 2023, at 12:02 PM, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: |> More, usually (it happened in the past) they then point to their |> web site, where you then *do*, and isn't the certificate of that |> website, which itself is likely verified by some CA in some CA |> po

Re: [Ietf-dkim] replay is a bogus concept

2023-08-17 Thread Jesse Thompson
On Thu, Aug 17, 2023, at 12:02 PM, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: > More, usually (it happened in the past) they then point to their > web site, where you then *do*, and isn't the certificate of that > website, which itself is likely verified by some CA in some CA > pool that you do not have control over,

Re: [Ietf-dkim] replay is a bogus concept

2023-08-17 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Alessandro Vesely wrote in <652789f7-0a0a-f8db-11f9-2558bc9ec...@tana.it>: |On Thu 17/Aug/2023 04:45:48 +0200 Bron Gondwana wrote: |> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023, at 21:36, Alessandro Vesely wrote: |>> On Tue 15/Aug/2023 08:10:23 +0200 Bron Gondwana wrote: |>>> We've love to not sign spam at all, but

Re: [Ietf-dkim] replay is a bogus concept

2023-08-17 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Thu 17/Aug/2023 04:45:48 +0200 Bron Gondwana wrote: On Tue, Aug 15, 2023, at 21:36, Alessandro Vesely wrote: On Tue 15/Aug/2023 08:10:23 +0200 Bron Gondwana wrote: We've love to not sign spam at all, but short of never allowing users to send email, it's not actually possible. We're not tr

Re: [Ietf-dkim] replay is a bogus concept

2023-08-16 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Tue, Aug 15, 2023, at 21:36, Alessandro Vesely wrote: > On Tue 15/Aug/2023 08:10:23 +0200 Bron Gondwana wrote: > > > We've love to not sign spam at all, but short of never allowing users to > > send email, it's not actually possible. We're not trying to "accomodate > > sites that send spam",

Re: [Ietf-dkim] replay is a bogus concept

2023-08-15 Thread Evan Burke
On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 9:29 AM Emanuel Schorsch wrote: > Still, knowing that he's a bad actor, you could skip signing. Are there >> so >> many new spammers every day? Or, rather, there is a bunch of >> professional >> spammers who know how to hide? >> > > Just to answer the second question: Ye

Re: [Ietf-dkim] replay is a bogus concept

2023-08-15 Thread Emanuel Schorsch
> > Still, knowing that he's a bad actor, you could skip signing. Are there > so > many new spammers every day? Or, rather, there is a bunch of professional > spammers who know how to hide? > Just to answer the second question: Yes, absolutely. Spammers are fully professional and organized group

Re: [Ietf-dkim] replay is a bogus concept

2023-08-15 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Tue 15/Aug/2023 08:10:23 +0200 Bron Gondwana wrote: On Thu, Aug 3, 2023, at 15:50, Michael Thomas wrote: Barry Leiba Tue, 01 August 2023 18:40 UTC I do think the background is important to publish separately for this work, however easy the problem is to describe. It's because "replay" is

Re: [Ietf-dkim] replay is a bogus concept

2023-08-14 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Aug 3, 2023, at 15:50, Michael Thomas wrote: > Barry Leiba Tue, 01 August 2023 18:40 UTC > > As someone who has, as an AD, questioned the publication of such > background documents, even in working groups I chartered, I can give a > related opinion about this one: > > I do think the back