[Ietf-dkim] Re: Charter v5 available

2025-02-04 Thread Dave Crocker
On 2/3/2025 8:58 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: On Sat, Feb 1, 2025 at 10:00 AM Dave Crocker wrote: As such, an honest and pragmatic charter needs to cite that draft and needs to explicitly encourage consideration of alternatives. I think I'm fine with adding something like this, thou

[Ietf-dkim] Re: Charter v5 available

2025-02-03 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Sat, Feb 1, 2025 at 10:00 AM Dave Crocker wrote: > As such, an honest and pragmatic charter needs to cite that draft and > needs to explicitly encourage consideration of alternatives. > I think I'm fine with adding something like this, though I would hope everyone realizes that it's expected

[Ietf-dkim] Re: Charter v5 available

2025-02-01 Thread Dave Crocker
On 1/28/2025 7:29 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: I've uploaded the discussed changes to the charter, Core advocates of this effort are thoroughly committed to the details of their draft document. And they have been consistently hostile to proposals for alternative details, either ignoring t

[Ietf-dkim] Re: Charter v5 available

2025-01-29 Thread Bron Gondwana
Thanks for all your work on this Murray, that looks great. It's good to explicitly mention backscatter, and not to constrain the working group unnecessarily to use specific documents. I'm in favour of going ahead with this charter. Bron On Wed, Jan 29, 2025, at 02:29, Murray S. Kucherawy wro

[Ietf-dkim] Re: Charter v5 available

2025-01-28 Thread Marc Bradshaw
looks good to me On Wed, 29 Jan 2025, at 2:29 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > I've uploaded the discussed changes to the charter, which can be seen > (including viewing a delta to the last version) in the datatracker here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-dkim/ > > I have also

[Ietf-dkim] Re: Charter v5 available

2025-01-28 Thread Dave Crocker
On 1/28/2025 1:04 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: It's optional.  I can add them but I'll also add wording that avoids compelling the formed WG to adopt those items if it decides not to start there. The previous work is dominating the thinking of the principals for this effort.  It really will

[Ietf-dkim] Re: Charter v5 available

2025-01-28 Thread Trent Adams
Perfect! Thanks (again) From: Murray S. Kucherawy Date: Tuesday, January 28, 2025 at 2:04 PM To: Trent Adams Cc: Ietf-dkim@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ietf-dkim] Charter v5 available On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 12: 59 PM Trent Adams wrote: Looks great to me. . . just one question. . . should the cha

[Ietf-dkim] Re: Charter v5 available

2025-01-28 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 12:59 PM Trent Adams wrote: > Looks great to me... just one question... should the charter make any > reference to the preliminary documents that’ve been proposed as potential > starting points for consideration? > > > > I believe they can easily be brought into the conver

[Ietf-dkim] Re: Charter v5 available

2025-01-28 Thread Trent Adams
Murray - Looks great to me... just one question... should the charter make any reference to the preliminary documents that’ve been proposed as potential starting points for consideration? I believe they can easily be brought into the conversation later, but was just wanting to clarify if it’d

[Ietf-dkim] Re: Charter v5 available

2025-01-28 Thread John Levine
It appears that Murray S. Kucherawy said: >There is still time to make changes during any of that period. Minor nit: in the Background section, the two sentences in the third bullet should be separate items. Backscatter is one problem, shortcut bounces are another, even though I expect we will

[Ietf-dkim] Re: Charter v5 available

2025-01-28 Thread Laura Atkins
That all looks good to me. laura > On 28 Jan 2025, at 15:29, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > > I've uploaded the discussed changes to the charter, which can be seen > (including viewing a delta to the last version) in the datatracker here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-dkim

[Ietf-dkim] Re: Charter v5 available

2025-01-28 Thread Brotman, Alex
Without delving into technical discussion, this gives us a good framework to start with. -- Alex Brotman Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy Comcast From: Murray S. Kucherawy Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2025 10:30 AM To: ietf-dkim@ietf.org Subject: [Ietf-dkim] Charter v5 available I've

[Ietf-dkim] Re: Charter v5 available

2025-01-28 Thread Steve Atkins
> On 28 Jan 2025, at 15:29, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > > I've uploaded the discussed changes to the charter, which can be seen > (including viewing a delta to the last version) in the datatracker here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-dkim/ > > I have also tweaked the mile

[Ietf-dkim] Re: Charter v5 available

2025-01-28 Thread Al Iverson
On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 9:32 AM Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > > I've uploaded the discussed changes to the charter, which can be seen > (including viewing a delta to the last version) in the datatracker here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-dkim/ I think this is great. And this