[Ietf-dkim] Should we be recording all modifications

2024-11-17 Thread Bron Gondwana
I don't believe it's that complex, and I do believe it's worth the effort in exchange for being able to tell with certainty which entity (by signature; which DNS domain) is responsible for creating each part of a message. You can then attribute parts of the text to different entities - the origi

[Ietf-dkim] Charter: DKIMbis or a new thing

2024-11-17 Thread Bron Gondwana
Regarding the question of "is this DKIMbis or something bigger"? It's something bigger than just tweaks to DKIM. The choice of the name "DKIM2" is partially branding, and partially because it re-uses the existing DNS entries for DKIM keys and large parts of the signing infrastructure. So ther

[Ietf-dkim] Timeliness of bringing this work to the IETF

2024-11-17 Thread Bron Gondwana
The problem statement document is already quite comprehensive: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gondwana-dkim2-motivation/ The broad shape has had months of thought and design already by engineers from some of the largest email handlers on the planet - but it needs broader input and polis

[Ietf-dkim] Re: PROPOSAL: reopen this working group and work on DKIM2

2024-11-17 Thread Bron Gondwana
Hi Dave, Sorry for the delay in replying to this - I've been traveling back from IETF in Dublin. Thanks for this very detailed review! I think there are three key significant issues that you've raised here: * whether this is DKIMbis or a broader thing * the timeliness of bringing this work to I

[Ietf-dkim] Re: PROPOSAL: reopen this working group and work on DKIM2

2024-11-17 Thread Richard Clayton
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[Ietf-dkim] Re: PROPOSAL: reopen this working group and work on DKIM2

2024-11-17 Thread Laura Atkins
> On 16 Nov 2024, at 10:39, Alessandro Vesely wrote: > > On 15/11/2024 20:13, Dave Crocker wrote: >> On 11/15/2024 10:55 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: >>> On 13/11/2024 21:14, Dave Crocker wrote: While 'indirect' has well-established context in many email technical circles, I believe