[Ietf] New .mobi, .xxx, ... TLDs?

2004-04-21 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, Is the IETF or ISOC going to take any stance against this slippery slope? http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/03/20/new.domains.ap/ Comment period closes April 30th. Tim ___ Ietf mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/list

Re: [Ietf] New .mobi, .xxx, ... TLDs?

2004-04-29 Thread Tim Chown
On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 06:21:20AM -0700, Bill Manning wrote: > Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. > > This is -exactly- the tpc.int. model, > the e164.int. model, > the e164.arpa. model... > > in a phrase

Re: [Ietf] New .mobi, .xxx, ... TLDs?

2004-04-30 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 04:47:17AM -0400, Scott W Brim wrote: > > > > I don't quite see what the difference here is to .edu for example. Isn't > > this indeed very similar to how the .edu provides a "clearly > > recognisable" label for educational services and content? > > .edu was an administrat

Re: 60th IETF - Registration

2004-05-18 Thread Tim Chown
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 09:39:13PM +0200, Leif Johansson wrote: > > Big hotels that are cheap and where the staff won't throw a fit > when we all turn up in force, laptops, duct-tape and all, don't > exactly grow on trees you know! I'm happy if it has a bar. :) All we need is 802.11beer, beer ov

Re: respect privacy please !

2004-05-21 Thread Tim Chown
On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 12:05:00AM +1000, grenville armitage wrote: > > This could be solved by the IETF insisting that consent is required > before attendance. I, like John, do not believe it is acceptable for > the IETF meetings to be populated by anonymous attendees. The issue is someone knowi

Re: respect privacy please !

2004-05-21 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 11:33:14AM -0400, John C Klensin wrote: > > However, before we say "that is a wonderful idea" (or not), > let's remember the substance of several of the "IETF > administration" notes and documents that have been circulated in > the last several months. If I understand t

Re: respect privacy please !

2004-05-22 Thread Tim Chown
On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 10:24:14AM +1000, grenville armitage wrote: > > If your threat model postulates someone knowing enough about you to check > for your IETF registration, then simply knowing when IETF meetings occur gives > them a pretty good start. Testing your email account for 'out of offi

xml2rfc and new RFC3667 requirements

2004-07-07 Thread Tim Chown
I guess many people will use these tools already, but I thought I'd just post that the excellent xml2rfc tool now supports the RFC3667 requirements as per ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1id-guidelines.txt See http://xml.resource.org/, v1.24. You just need to select the full3667 ipr option, e.g. https:/

Re: Email account utilization warning.

2004-07-07 Thread Tim Chown
Oh, you can filter out any sender easily enough. The snag is you see all the replies people send to their mailings :( Tim On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 02:58:47PM -0500, David Frascone wrote: > I wonder how hard it would be to set my mail server to drop your mail > too? Since, obviously, "Email acco

Re: Email account utilization warning.

2004-07-09 Thread Tim Chown
On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 01:56:50PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Procmail filtering on 'From:|To:|cc:' is easy enough. There's probably > a way to get Procmail to snarf up the Message-Id: header for the sender's > posting, and then look for that msgid in any References: or In-Reply-To: > he

Re: survey on Friday IETF sessions

2004-07-22 Thread Tim Chown
On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 05:07:25PM -0700, Fred Baker wrote: > At 09:51 PM 07/21/04 +0200, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: > >New survey question: How many lunches and dinners did you have at the last > >IETF that were NOT meetings? > > For me, it is rare to have meals that are not meetings of

Re: survey on Friday IETF sessions

2004-07-22 Thread Tim Chown
On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 10:55:51AM -0700, Aaron Falk wrote: > > BTW, regarding the survey: there's only been 80 responses so far. My > take is that people don't care about the issue enough to voice their > opinion. Or maybe that 5% of a typical attendance is a good sample of the more active pe

Re: Jabber at ietf60

2004-08-02 Thread Tim Chown
Sure, e.g. http://www.xmpp.org/ietf-logs/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2004-08-02.html On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 09:32:30AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Are folks using it? > > a. > > > ___ > Ietf mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://www1.ietf.org/mailma

Re: Jabber at ietf60

2004-08-03 Thread Tim Chown
try jabber.org, it's open to anyone to register. then use ietf.xmpp.org as server, wg id as room, eg. v6ops or dhc. tim On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 09:59:47AM -0700, Hadmut Danisch wrote: > On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 11:37:55PM +0100, Tim Chown wrote: > > Sure, e.g. > > > >

Re: dynamic keying via 802.1X on IETF wireless

2004-08-05 Thread Tim Chown
On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 11:29:09PM -0400, Karen O'Donoghue wrote: > Folks, > > While I realize there are only hours left, I have decided to > forward these directions anyway. > > PEAP is working now, with a username/password of ietf60/ietf60. > > So, a configuration how-to : > > From the Start

Re: T-shirts, and some suggestions for future ietf meetings

2004-08-05 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 01:00:09AM -0400, Tony Hansen wrote: > I know, this isn't the most important issue in the world. But, I want to > say that I miss the IETF meeting T-shirts. As confirmed by Harald at > tonight's plenary, the T-shirts are normally paid for by the sponsor. > And since we do

Re: seems to work now Re: Hotel online reservations

2004-08-31 Thread Tim Chown
On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 01:44:04PM +0300, John Loughney wrote: > >It seems to be working now. Nice to book on-line, for those who are >time zone challenged. I think the phone lines are there 24x7. The person I spoke to was very lively for what would have been at best 4am on the east

Friday @ IETF61?

2004-08-31 Thread Tim Chown
So, Are there any real Friday sessions at IETF 61, or not? Someone tried to put v6ops on Friday am at IETF 60, before shifting it out... it would be nice to either have IETF run out to 2-3pm and have some real sessions, or simply make Friday officially BoFs only... Tim _

Re: Friday @ IETF61?

2004-09-02 Thread Tim Chown
On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 03:07:06PM +0200, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: > > Sometimes this has led to Friday being no sessions, or Friday having just > "odd" sessions (like second slots). Last time, it was pretty full. Pretty full? There were two WG meetings and two BoFs... although (for the

Re: IETF 62 (was: Re: first steps)

2004-09-17 Thread Tim Chown
On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 04:33:33PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: > > We know that booking early saves money, and we know that locations fill > up early. (Me, I like Minneapolis just fine. I do wish to have fewer > meetings in the US) Minneapolis is indeed fine, once you discover the tunnels...

Re: IETF 62

2004-09-20 Thread Tim Chown
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 10:38:43AM -0500, Ben Crosby wrote: > > We explored Vancouver and Montreal as other alternatives. Neither had availability > at a venue large enough for the meeting. ... which is the crux... availability far enough in advance. If you plan out further, I suspect availabi

Re: a note about the scenarios

2004-09-24 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 07:03:41AM +0300, John Loughney wrote: > >I've skimmed the recent documents and have come away feeling rather >uninterested in the topic. As with most others, I asume, I'm more >interested >in technical work not aministrative or reorg work. I suspect t

Boilerplates and xml2rfc

2004-09-28 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, Could someone in the know confirm whether xml2rfc (current version 1.25) supports the required boilerplate? I thought it did, but there have been some comments I read to the contrary. As this is an excellent tool for draft writing, I'd like to know :) Thanks! -- Tim North American IPv6 T

Re: IPv6 is being deployed !

2004-11-05 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 07:30:59PM -0500, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Will all the respect, this is ridiculous. > > You are out of the market, I feel. > > To the contrary, I am using data from live IPv6 BGP routing tables, available > h

IPv6 is not deployed

2004-11-08 Thread Tim Chown
... at least in Washington on the IETF61 WLAN :( So Noel is right... tim ___ Ietf mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: [IETF61] no IPv6?

2004-11-08 Thread Tim Chown
Hmmm, looks like bits of the IETF61 WLAN don't have it though... tjc$ ifconfig en1 en1: flags=8863 mtu 1500 inet6 fe80::20a:95ff:fef4:c482 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5 inet 130.129.134.203 netmask 0xf800 broadcast 130.129.135.255 ether 00:0a:95:f4:c4:82 media: aut

Re: [IETF61] no IPv6?

2004-11-08 Thread Tim Chown
Well, I'm now seeing someone's 6to4 offering, which is (unsurprisingly) taking me nowhere... I guess I just need to use our tunnel broker, but native would be nicer. Tim On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 09:11:44AM -0500, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > I saw this: > > Ordenador-de-Jordi-Palet:~ jordi$ tra

Re: IPv6 in the network, please

2004-11-09 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, Could you describe why exactly IPv6 can't run on the (layer 2?) WLAN infrastructure? I'm sure this would be a help for many people to know which products do not support IPv6... It sounds like the WLAN access points you have chosen can't handle multicast in some form? Which make/model are

Re: Why, technically, MIP and IPv6 can't be deployed

2004-11-09 Thread Tim Chown
And I don't remember asking about MIP :) Tim On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 09:14:51PM +0900, Masataka Ohta wrote: > Tim Chown wrote: > > IPv6 is defective in so many ways. But, w.r.t. WLAN, here is the > reason. > > >Could you describe why exactly IPv6 can't run on t

Re: IPv6 in the network, please

2004-11-10 Thread Tim Chown
Ironic given the recent press announcements by Airespace, which seemed to have jumped the gun a little ;) First fully IPv6-compatible WLAN kit available - October 27, 2004, 11:40 BST - Airespace has become the first WLAN OEM to announce support for the IPv6 protocol in its products - http://news.

Re: IPv6 in the network, please

2004-11-10 Thread Tim Chown
I am in International E, without v6 on WLAN, but can v4 ssh home and trace from there to the v6 router here. Then I see VERY good response over the JANET-GEANT-Abilene-IETF route. Maybe it's a Euro6IX issue for you, for specific routing to that prefix as opposed to the production prefix, if GE

Re: IETF Cheerleaders?

2004-11-11 Thread Tim Chown
Hmm, maybe we could put an IPv4 and IPv6 proponent in the ring? But who would pay to see it? Tim On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 04:13:23PM -0500, Lou Berger wrote: > see http://www.fightforchildren.org/events_2_1.asp > At 03:57 PM 11/11/2004, William Gilliam wrote: > > >OK, I'll ask. > > > >Who convin

Re: How the IPnG effort was started

2004-11-19 Thread Tim Chown
On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 10:59:19AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Now, having done that, I can either jump through lots of hassles configuring > a 6to4 proxy, or I can just type www.cnn.com in the browser window. > > It isn't just whether *I* can/have done it, it's *also* about whether the

Re: Why people by NATs

2004-11-22 Thread Tim Chown
On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 09:44:18AM -0500, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > To sum up, NAT gives me two features: > > 1. Multiple machines on the single-address allocation the ISP gives me. > 2. Decoupling of mt local network addresses from the ISP assignment. > > I hear a lot of muttering about NATs b

Re: How the IPnG effort was started

2004-11-23 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 10:20:17AM +0100, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > But this has also happened lately; not everybody is so short-sighted: > > http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,118610,00.asp Since you cite Nokia, it's interesting that on the Communicator 9500 you can run a regular voice c

Re: Why people by NATs

2004-11-23 Thread Tim Chown
On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 05:11:26PM +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote: > Depends on the type of home user ;) > Nevertheless, most homes currently only consist of maybe 3 ethernet > segments (wired, wireless, office or something) and maybe a max of 20 > hosts. Changing the IP's of those hosts should not be

Re: Why people by NATs

2004-11-23 Thread Tim Chown
On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 10:44:07AM -0800, Fred Baker wrote: > At 01:05 PM 11/22/04 -0500, Richard Shockey wrote: > >Yes Fred I would _expect_ my ISP to sell me a /64 but at what price? It > >continues to amaze me that no one discussing the IP V6 adoption issues > >will focus attention on the obv

Re: Why people by NATs

2004-11-23 Thread Tim Chown
On Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 01:44:30PM +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote: > On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 12:17 +0000, Tim Chown wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 05:11:26PM +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote: > > > > > Depends on the type of home user ;) > > > Nevertheless, most homes

Re: Organizationed spam RE: [Sip] WiMAX Summit'05 - Paris - France

2004-12-16 Thread Tim Chown
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:45:51AM +0100, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] has already been denied posting rights on at least > one IETF WG mailing list because of this behaviour. > > Is it time to dig out RFC 3683/BCP 83? > > BTW - has anyone, anywhere ever seen a response fro

Re: email document delivery service

2005-02-04 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, Our anti-virus system tags all IETF draft announcements as being potentially dangerous. I suspect because of the unusual options to fetch the data that are encoded in the MIME header. We would certainly like to see that feature removed from IETF announcements, as it seems archaic. This ma

Re: New ground transportation option in Minneapolis

2005-03-05 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 11:54:10AM -0600, Christopher A Bongaarts wrote: > In the immortal words of lafur Gumundsson: > > > The good news: > > Last December Minneapolis started a Light Rail Service between > > downtown and Mall of America with a stop at the airport. > > The ride costs $1.25 each w

Re: MP3 audio streaming for IETF 62

2005-03-06 Thread Tim Chown
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 01:07:09PM -0800, Stephen Casner wrote: > On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > > > IETF 62 inagurates a new streaming effort. Instead of covering only two > > rooms it is our intention to cover all eight. Instead of multicast video > > delivery, unicast audio-only. It

Re: MP3 audio streaming for IETF 62

2005-03-06 Thread Tim Chown
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 10:39:43PM +, Tim Chown wrote: > > http://www.surgeradio.co.uk/listen/advanced.html > > http://www.ipv6.ecs.soton.ac.uk/virginradio/vruk-hi-mp3.m3u (MP3) Just to confirm these are IPv6 unicast, but we support multicast for both al

Contact for network problems at IETF62?

2005-03-07 Thread Tim Chown
Much gnashing of teeth in Salon D this morning. DHCP failing for v4, IPv6 connectivity coming and goping Seems everyone in the room is affected. (So we didn't get a jabber scribe for mboned ;) -- Tim ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www

Re: Need for an Agenda Cutoff date?

2005-03-07 Thread Tim Chown
It seems the cutoff is more often a driver to get updates written, and 00 drafts kicked off. One alternative is to review other means to encourage timely and regular draft updates? This might help distribute the load through the year rather than into three hectic chokepoints. Tim On Mon, Mar 07

Re: FW: Why?

2005-03-11 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 07:04:52AM -0500, Joel M. Halpern wrote: > > Not needing NAT is a minor value add for IPv6. But we have already seen > several major corporations publicly indicate that they intend to use NAT > with IPv6, even though they can get enough public address space. Do you have

Re: IETF62 Network and Terminal Room Information

2005-03-11 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 04:31:39PM +0100, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Jordi, I thought that Jim Martin's message under subject > "IETF62 Wireless Network Update" had already explained > what was happening (and IPv6 was a victim of those > circumstances). Of course this was very annoying and nobody >

Re: FW: Why?

2005-03-11 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 07:35:21AM -0800, Michel Py wrote: > > The reasons are the same why they are currently using NAT with IPv4 even > though they have enough public IPv4 address space. We have discussed > these for ages; if my memory is correct, you are the one that convinced > me some years a

Re: IETF62 Network and Terminal Room Information

2005-03-11 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 08:18:00AM -0800, Lucy E. Lynch wrote: > > Not exactly, Telekom Austria spent more than a year ramping up for the > meeting AND they had installed and controled all of the in building > network for the Austria Center Vienna. They did a great job, but they > had way more acc

Re: IETF62 Network and Terminal Room Information

2005-03-11 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 08:37:45AM -0800, Lucy E. Lynch wrote: > > Ask Jim/Karen/etc when they got access to any given room here in the > Hilton... It is a thankless task, I emphasise :) But the rooms are preumably the same with each Minneapolis running. > This has been done several times - af

Re: IETF63 wireless

2005-03-14 Thread Tim Chown
On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 01:47:05PM -0800, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > > Simply saying that a network which is built by volunteers (or by anyone > else for that matter) MUST be reliable is just naive. It's a bit like > saying operating systems and other software must be bug free. Keep in > mind that the

Re: IETF63 wireless

2005-03-14 Thread Tim Chown
On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 05:02:00PM -0500, John C Klensin wrote: > > It is precisely the style of thinking, and not the specifics, > that I was trying to suggest and illustrate. Indeed; there seems to be some 'smart' Alcatel software that is doing some ARP/DHCP trickery (at least the APs are Alc

Re: I'm not going to listen to this any more.

2005-06-28 Thread Tim Chown
On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 09:08:44AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote: > > > Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >I read it as a statment of fact. I could reasonably > >rule it irrelevant and ask Harald not to repeat it. > > I thought we also had a mechanism for taking action against posters who > violate list p

Re: Coach class

2005-08-01 Thread Tim Chown
On Mon, Aug 01, 2005 at 06:14:16AM -0400, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Carsten Bormann writ > es: > >Now that the two previous main concerns about the Paris IETF are > >under control (nobody has died from the heat yet and the pocket loss > >rate is at the expected

Re: Keeping this IETF's schedule in the future...?

2005-08-03 Thread Tim Chown
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 12:38:28PM +0200, Joerg Ott wrote: > > What do other people think? Add an extra 15 mins for lunch, it makes it so less 'rushed'. -- Tim/::1 ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: FYI: Announcing the IETF Journal - a new ISOC publication

2005-10-10 Thread Tim Chown
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 07:14:01PM +0300, Pekka Savola wrote: > On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, Brian Carpenter wrote: > >(As announced to the ISOC membership) > > > >Announcing the IETF Journal - a new ISOC publication > > > >ISOC is pleased to announce the "IETF Journal", a new Internet Society > >publicatio

Re: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria

2005-10-14 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 04:39:18PM +0200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Excuse me Stéphane, but I do not find these comments constructive. > Anyone planning an international meeting for 1000+ people has > to take a great many things seriously that you seem to think > are amusing. We had some serious s

Re: Last Call: 'Classless Inter-Domain Routing (CIDR): The Internet Address Assignment and Aggregation Plan' to Proposed Standard

2005-11-23 Thread Tim Chown
On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 10:52:23AM -0500, The IESG wrote: > The IESG has received a request from the Global Routing Operations WG to > consider the following document: > > - 'Classless Inter-Domain Routing (CIDR): The Internet Address Assignment and >Aggregation Plan ' > as a Proposed St

IETFs... the final Friday?

2006-01-20 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, Has there been any discussion in the upper echelons of the IETF about the issue of Friday sessions? If you look back over past agendas, it's typically a day with around 3-5 meetings in one session to 11.30am, of which half or more are BoFs. Is this likely to continue, such that if you're fro

Re: hotels for Dallas?

2006-01-20 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 12:27:59PM +0100, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > Registration for Dallas is in the final test stage, with a new system for > credit card processing, and we want it to be rock solid. > Should be open *really* soon now. And the hotel info? (And is the meeting ending 11.30am o

Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailing Lists

2008-04-15 Thread Tim Chown
Having a single system for all WG lists has the appeal that whatever process(es) handle the lists, it will be the same for all lists, so you don't have to figure out how N different lists are run. As a shameless plug, we have a free open source solution developed here which is widely used against

Re: Last Call: draft-irtf-asrg-dnsbl (DNS Blacklists and Whitelists)

2008-11-11 Thread Tim Chown
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 07:04:27PM +, Tony Finch wrote: > On Mon, 10 Nov 2008, Keith Moore wrote: > > > > okay. I found myself wondering if the change in address space size, and > > in granularity of assignment, might make DNSBLs less reliable. Which is > > a different kind of scalability. >

Re: Announcement: New Boilerplate Text Required for all new Submissions to IETF

2008-11-12 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, It would be great if the ietf list could be reminded when the new version of the rather excellent xml2rfc tool is issued, so we don't need to keep checking back for it. Thanks, Tim On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 06:03:36PM -0500, Ed Juskevicius wrote: > Greetings. This message is to draw your atte

Re: Meeting Survey Results

2006-01-25 Thread Tim Chown
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 08:45:51AM -0800, Ned Freed wrote: > >Are there cards with Mac OS X drivers nowadays? > > Yes there are. Here's the one I use: > > http://www.orangeware.com/endusers/wirelessformac.html > > There's a fairly long list of supported cards, some of which support > 802.11a.

Venue requirements - canoe?

2006-03-20 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, I guess some people not in Dallas may have missed the news of the freak local flooding here. I was downtown with three colleagues and tried to come back to the hotel around 5.30pm Sunday and hit the huge traffic jam. Our taxi couldn't cross the freeway to the hotel side because the police ha

Re: v6 on the net in Dallas

2006-03-20 Thread Tim Chown
On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 02:43:11PM -0600, Jim Martin wrote: > Gentlepeople, > Yesterday and this morning, we had an issue for the wired and > wireless networks in the Terminal Room area that prevented IPv4 RAs > from reaching the user devices. This has been resolved and we believe > we

Nokia 770?

2006-03-22 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, Is there any way a non-US citizen can buy one of the promotional 770's available at the event and walk out with a receipt in their name? -- Tim/::1 ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: An absolutely fantastic wireless IETF

2006-03-24 Thread Tim Chown
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 11:35:13PM -0600, Ken Raeburn wrote: > On Mar 23, 2006, at 21:58, Harald Alvestrand wrote: > >Just wanted to state what's obvious to all of us by now: > > > >This time the wireless WORKED, and Just Went On Working. > > > >That hasn't happened for a while. THANK YOU! > > Mmm

Re: Making IETF happening in different regions

2006-03-24 Thread Tim Chown
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 11:48:19PM -0600, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > > The results is also better for all (even participants), because the > logistics and local-planning is done more coherently. I think there's some unfair handwaving in this thread. One option however would be to seek 'partne

Re: Jabber chats (was: 2 hour meetings)

2006-03-24 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 07:49:46AM -0800, Michael Thomas wrote: > > Maybe there's an intermediate between email and full f2f time? > Something like having well known jabber chats to simulate the > quickness of f2f conversation without having to be there? There > is some amount of precedence for th

Re: Jabber chats (was: 2 hour meetings)

2006-03-24 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 08:49:28AM -0800, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: > > You mean like holding a bi-weekly teleconference? > > VOIP is getting to the point where this is practical. Well yes, telecons are fine for design team work, but for an open interim meeting you need to determine which sy

Re: Jabber chats (was: 2 hour meetings)

2006-03-24 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 12:10:47PM -0500, Scott Leibrand wrote: > On 03/24/06 at 5:00pm -, Stig Venaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Personally I find jabber (and similar technologies) much more convenient > > than voice. I've used that a few times with a small group of people to > > discus

Re: Moving from "hosts" to "sponsors"

2006-03-26 Thread Tim Chown
On Sat, Mar 25, 2006 at 12:43:57PM -0500, Henning Schulzrinne wrote: > >Indeed. Not only is it small, it isn't where corporate bean counters > >put their attention, which is air fare, hotel, and per diem. > > Brian, > > this is not universally true. With cheaper air fares and not staying > in t

Re: Proposed 2008 - 2010 IETF Meeting dates

2006-03-27 Thread Tim Chown
On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 10:38:03AM +0200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > I don't think the analogy holds, for a number of reasons. (As a matter > of interest, there were about 6 participants out of 350 with addresses > in Europe at the March 1991 IETF meeting, and about 19 out of 530 > in March 1993

Re: Stupid NAT tricks and how to stop them.

2006-03-28 Thread Tim Chown
Interesting discussion. Keith is hitting all the nails on the head. Phillip seems to suggest that consumers buy NATs out of choice. They don't have any choice. I surveyed my final years students last month. Just four have a static IPv4 allocation for their home network, and only one has more

Re: Stupid NAT tricks and how to stop them.

2006-03-28 Thread Tim Chown
On Tue, Mar 28, 2006 at 01:54:52AM -0800, Michel Py wrote: > > Tim Chown wrote: > > If you deploy IPv6 NAT, you may as well stay with IPv4. > > You're the one who convinced me some three years ago that there will be > IPv6 NAT no matter what, what's the message he

Re: 128 bits should be enough for everyone, was: IPv6 vs. Stupid NAT tricks: false dichotomy? (Was: Re: Stupid NAT tricks and how to stop them.)

2006-03-29 Thread Tim Chown
On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 11:04:15PM +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > > What was the problem again? Apparently that Steve Deering is an arrogant, stupid engineer. Allegedly ;) -- Tim/::1 ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/

Re: 128 bits should be enough for everyone, was: IPv6 vs. Stupid NAT tricks: false dichotomy? (Was: Re: Stupid NAT tricks and how to stop them.)

2006-03-30 Thread Tim Chown
On Thu, Mar 30, 2006 at 01:36:18PM +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > > The thing that is good about IPv6 is that once you get yourself a / > 64, you can subdivide it yourself and still have four billion times > the IPv4 address space. (But you'd be giving up the autoconfiguration > advanta

Re: 66th IETF - Registration and Hotel Accommodations

2006-04-20 Thread Tim Chown
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 06:07:50PM -0500, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > > Thanks to IAD for opening registration (helps with visa requests, although > this is less of a problem in Canada than "elsewhere in North America"). Yes, very nice to have the hotel and registration open 3 month in advance this

Re: Pre-IPV6 maintenance of one of the www.ietf.org servers - 2006/06/03 - 12:00am EST

2006-06-06 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 09:29:21PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi All, > > Tomorrow Saturday June 3 at 12:00am EST, we will be taking down one of > the round robin www servers for the IETF (209.173.53.180) for > maintenance in preparation for supporting IPV6. The outage should be > less

Re: Wasting address space (was: Re: Last Call: 'Considerations on the IPv6 Host density Metric' to Informational RFC (draft-huston-hd-metric))

2006-06-06 Thread Tim Chown
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 08:12:28PM +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > > Having to choose between /60 and /48 would be much better than having > to choose between /64 and bigger in general, as it removes the "will > I ever need a second subnet" consideration, the average allocation > size g

Re: An Absolutely Fantastic IETF Meeting Network - Redux

2006-07-13 Thread Tim Chown
On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 06:36:45PM -0400, Ed Juskevicius wrote: > >To echo Harald's words from Dallas: > > - Just wanted to state what's obvious to all of us by now: > > - This time the wireless WORKED, and Just Went On Working. > > - THANK YOU! > >In addition, I want to extend

Re: Meetings in other regions

2006-07-17 Thread Tim Chown
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 11:38:15AM -0400, Stephen Campbell wrote: > > Or skip the car. Fly into LAX, take one of several shuttles to Los > Angeles Union Station, and take Amtrak's "Surfliner" to San Diego. > These trains run every 1 to 2 hours and get to San Diego in less than > 3 hours. And

Re: Meetings in other regions

2006-07-17 Thread Tim Chown
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 10:56:08AM -0400, Melinda Shore wrote: > > As the number of meeting groups grow and the meetings become more > densely packed, the jabber transcripts are useful for following > what's going on in a meeting you're not in, as well as providing > feedback. Improving WLAN (802

www.ietf.org unresponsive over IPv6?

2006-09-01 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, While I can establish a fast telnet session to port 80: $ telnet www.ietf.org 80 Trying 2001:503:c779:b::d1ad:35b4... Connected to www.ietf.org. Escape character is '^]'. Attempting to browse via MSIE leads to timeouts. Connecting explictly to http://209.173.53.180 to assure IPv4 works fine

Re: www.ietf.org unresponsive over IPv6?

2006-09-01 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 01:25:19PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: > Tim Chown wrote: > >Hi, > > > >While I can establish a fast telnet session to port 80: > > > >$ telnet www.ietf.org 80 > >Trying 2001:503:c779:b::d1ad:35b4... > >Conn

Re: www.ietf.org unresponsive over IPv6?

2006-09-01 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 02:48:10PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: > > How sure are you these have a MTU of 1500? Best way to test is to do > ping6's in the form of "ping6 -M do -s 1500 " and decrementing > per 10 or 20 till it doesn't respond anymore and then increasing again. > > >19: 52.ge0-0.c

Re: Fw: Why cant the IETF embrace an open Election Process rather than some

2006-09-14 Thread Tim Chown
Isn't he barred from posting here? On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 07:51:27PM -0700, todd glassey wrote: > I am forwarding this on behalf of Dean Anderson. > > > > > Thanks > > > > --Dean > > > > > > On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > > > > > From: "todd glassey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >

Re: Scary technology

2006-11-02 Thread Tim Chown
On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 12:10:16AM -0800, Fred Baker wrote: > if routing protocols aren't scary enough for you... > > http://money.cnn.com/popups/2006/fortune/scary_tech/index.html "Unexpected failure modes led to the early withdrawal of IPv5" -- Tim ___

Re: Prague

2007-03-08 Thread Tim Chown
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 12:23:21PM -0500, Ralph Droms wrote: > I visited Prague about two years ago and had the same experience as Ed. I > traveled via the Metro and on foot, visited all the tourist traps; had no > problems and never felt unsafe. I second that. The metro system was excellent; it

Re: Game theory and IPv4 to IPv6

2007-03-15 Thread Tim Chown
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 07:37:26AM -0700, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: > The problem is that until IPv6 has critical mass it is much better to be on > IPv4 than IPv6. > > If there are any grad students reading the list take a look at the game > theory literature and apply it to the transition.

Problems with xml.resource.org

2007-03-26 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, [non xml2rfc users look away] I'm seeing xml.resource.org timing out today, and it seems consistent on one of the two returned IPv4 addresses I see for it (192.20.225.40). $ telnet xml.resource.org 80 Trying 168.143.123.173... Connected to xml.resource.org. Es

Re: take the train in Chicago

2007-07-16 Thread Tim Chown
On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 03:55:39PM -, John Levine wrote: > > ... walk from the Palmer House unless it's raining really hard. > > ... If it's raining, So there's me thinking Chicago in July will be mid 80's sunshine, and you mention rain twice in one email :) -- Tim _

Re: Charging I-Ds

2007-07-31 Thread Tim Chown
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 04:51:56PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > To summary: what problem do we try to solve? either reducing ietf costs, or increasing ietf income do we know the 'cost per i-d'? or is that meaningless anyway while the i-d live in the automated part of the process? tim

Re: Charging I-Ds

2007-07-31 Thread Tim Chown
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 12:29:51PM -0400, Keith Moore wrote: > > also, publishing an I-D might be useful for other reasons - e.g. to > establish prior art in case an idea or invention in the draft is ever > patented by someone else. I have written or co-written a few drafts in the past purely as p

Re: IPv6 will never fly: ARIN continues to kill it

2007-09-13 Thread Tim Chown
On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 04:05:09PM +0900, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: > > > > > Let me see if I understand this. Without PI, the enterprises say > > > no, and with > > > PI, the ISP's say no. Got it. > > > > I believe that a more constructive assessment is that enterprises are > > unwilli

Re: IPv4 to IPv6 transition

2007-10-02 Thread Tim Chown
On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 09:05:39AM -0400, Keith Moore wrote: > Ray Plzak wrote: > > The shortage of IPv4 addresses in developing countries in a red herring. > that has to rank as one of the most bizarre statements that's ever been > made on the ietf list. More of an ostrich than a herring? .=

Re: [DNSOP] Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil (Preventing Use of Recursive Nameservers in Reflector Attacks) to BCP

2007-10-03 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 05:29:43PM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Fri, 28 Sep 2007, Dean Anderson wrote: > > > Maybe its not mentioned because its not a practical solution. But > > whatever the reason it isn't mentioned, a 25 million user VPN is not > > going to happen with 10/8. A comcast person

New web-based submission tool

2007-11-12 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, I'd just like to compliment whoever implemented the new web based IETF draft submission tool. Very simple to use and rather slick :) I'd noticed drafts appearing over the weekend rather than in a batch batch as usual this evening. Must be welcomed by the RFC editors too! Cheers, -- Tim

Re: New web-based submission tool

2007-11-12 Thread Tim Chown
On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 08:53:37AM -0800, Dave Crocker wrote: > > Tim Chown wrote: > >I'd just like to compliment whoever implemented the new web based > >IETF draft submission tool. Very simple to use and rather slick :) > > +10 > > Easy to use, and ast

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