Re: GRE and L2TP

2004-03-19 Thread Stewart Bryant
W. Mark Townsley wrote: Rohit Gupta wrote: Hi, What is it in L2TP that i cant do with a simple GRE tunneling when implementing a remote access VPN for a mobile client to connect to the corporate network. In L2TP, since it uses PPP end-to-end, the LNS is able to supply dynamic IP address usin

Re: archives (was The other parts of the report....

2004-09-10 Thread Stewart Bryant
scott bradner wrote: the last time we talked about this Jorge said that he saw no problem (legally) to just offer a takedown process to anyone who felt that they did not want their ID to last longer than N days but, to me, its quite silly to pretend that IDs actually disapear from the net just bec

Re: What? No PPT or wireless? [Re: IETF63 wireless]

2005-03-14 Thread Stewart Bryant
The IETF Meeting crew should look at supplying an additional 3 ethernet and power drops per room, labelled 'chair', 'presenter' and '(jabber) scribe' with the expectation that they be used accordingly. These functions, IMHO, are too important to leave to the possible failures/overloads of the wir

Re: Last Call: 'Requirements for IETF Draft Submission Toolset' to Informational RFC

2005-04-08 Thread Stewart Bryant
I would also be interesting to know how many use Microsoft Word to produce drafts. Stewart Brian E Carpenter wrote: Regardless of the interesting side-discussion about 'voting', what the toy shows after about a day is: prefer nroff: 8 prefer xml: 37 neither: 9 which implies a few hundred abst

Re: Intermediate Drafts of network layer protocols

2005-04-08 Thread Stewart Bryant
Carl Malamud wrote: Hi - I think a research request to study how protocols are designed and features added over time deserves a more accurate answer than an official incantation of "they're gone." Try this site: http://www.watersprings.org/ You'll find all drafts and diff's between them. T

Re: Last Call: 'Requirements for IETF Draft Submission Toolset' to Informational RFC

2005-04-08 Thread Stewart Bryant
end result was that normative IETF text had "proper" drawings just like IEEE and ITU. Stewart Regards, Elwyn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant Sent: 08 April 2005 10:47 To: Brian E Carpenter Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; B

Re: Test version of the Parking Area

2005-07-18 Thread Stewart Bryant
Alexey Melnikov wrote: Frank Ellermann wrote: I'm working on other sort orders Neither "REF" nor "IANA" in the "state" column before the date could be very interesting. Or some statistics, but I guess you already have that elsewhere. Actually I disagree. It is quite useful to be abl

Re: Keeping this IETF's schedule in the future...?

2005-08-08 Thread Stewart Bryant
Andrew G. Malis wrote: I'm with the folks that like this schedule. it's great being done for the evening before dinner - it makes for a much more relaxed meal, and you don't have to worry about going too far from the meeting. I also remember that the Adelaide meeting, at least half of the

Re: [PWE3] Last Call: 'IANA Allocations for pseudo Wire Edge to Edge Emulation (PWE3)' to BCP

2005-10-05 Thread Stewart Bryant
The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Pseudo Wire Emulation Edge to Edge WG to consider the following document: - 'IANA Allocations for pseudo Wire Edge to Edge Emulation (PWE3) ' as a BCP This draft reserves a number of ranges not be allocated by IANA, for example i

Re: RFCs should be distributed in XML (Was: Faux Pas -- web publication in proprietary formats at ietf.org

2005-11-14 Thread Stewart Bryant
I too use Subversion and rfcdiff and xml2rfc. But there are people doing work (i.e. writing docs) in the IETF that do not work this way. They may find using a version control system to be time-wise expensive or prohibitive, especially compared to emailing track- change-docs back and fort

Re: Diagrams (Was RFCs should be distributed in XML)

2005-11-14 Thread Stewart Bryant
Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 06:03:07PM +0200, Jari Arkko wrote: There is. Lets not reopen the format flame war. However, just for the record we DO have .pdf as a format that you can submit Internet Drafts and as something that you However these are not taken as normati

Re: Diagrams (Was RFCs should be distributed in XML)

2005-11-14 Thread Stewart Bryant
Yaakov Stein wrote: It just struck me as odd that people were grousing about ASCII's appearance when PDF is available. People will stop complaining when the ASCII version is allowed to say "see diagram in the PDF version". Right on the nail - Stewart __

Re: Diagrams (Was RFCs should be distributed in XML)

2005-11-14 Thread Stewart Bryant
Bob Braden wrote: *> *> > It just struck me as odd that people were grousing about ASCII's *> appearance when PDF is available. *> *> People will stop complaining when the ASCII version is allowed to say *> "see diagram in the PDF version". *> *> Y(J)S *> Huh? That

Re: Diagrams (Was RFCs should be distributed in XML)

2005-11-14 Thread Stewart Bryant
Bob Braden wrote: *> *> Bob Braden wrote: *> *> > *> *> > *> > It just struck me as odd that people were grousing about ASCII's *> > *> appearance when PDF is available. *> > *> *> > *> People will stop complaining when the ASCII version is allowed to sa *> >

Re: Diagrams (Was RFCs should be distributed in XML)

2005-11-16 Thread Stewart Bryant
It's interesting that when authors turn up at IETF to explain their work/resolve issues etc they use colored diagrams to do so - not ASCII art. Some of this is fashionable, but in many cases it is to clearly articulate a point in the very little time made available. I don't see why such powerful

Re: Diagrams (Was RFCs should be distributed in XML)

2005-11-16 Thread Stewart Bryant
Masataka Ohta wrote: Stewart Bryant wrote: I don't see why such powerful techniques shouldn't be applied to the specifications themselves to allow the reader to most grasp what is being said with the minimum effort. It merely promote complex protocols to disallow the reade

Re: Diagrams (Was RFCs should be distributed in XML)

2005-11-17 Thread Stewart Bryant
Gray, Eric wrote: Stewart, While an interesting turn of phrase, "hair shirt approach" is hardly an accurate analogy, nor is it particularly apt to compare presentation materials (where there's a real live person in front of you to answer questions) with specifications (where there usual

Re: ASCII art

2005-11-30 Thread Stewart Bryant
Yaakov Stein wrote: I created a random svg file with Inkscape, a cross-platform svg drawing app. I created an element with src="pretty.svg"; it displayed inline in the cross-platform xxe XML editor using my xml2rfc plugin (but no inline editing of the graphic) and converte

Re: objection to proposed change to "consensus"

2006-01-04 Thread Stewart Bryant
Brian E Carpenter wrote: Speaking for myself, I agree. The whole point of rough consensus is to leave scope for some nay-sayers, but it's for the WG Chairs (if relevant) and the IESG to judge whether the number of objections is significant. That is what were asking for in this case. Stewart

Re: Engineering our way out of a brown paper bag [Re: Consensus based on reading tea leaves]

2006-01-05 Thread Stewart Bryant
Brian E Carpenter wrote: Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: --On mandag, januar 02, 2006 18:10:15 +0200 Yaakov Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The only thing I am sure about is that consensus on this list is for keeping everything exactly as it is. I'm pretty sure there's no such consen

Re: Baby Steps (was RE: Alternative formats for IDs)

2006-01-05 Thread Stewart Bryant
Ken Raeburn wrote: On Jan 5, 2006, at 09:25, Ash, Gerald R ((Jerry)) wrote: I'd suggest we try to reach consensus first on the following: Alternative format(s) for IDs, in addition to ASCII text, should be allowed. One requirement/motivation for this change (as set forth in the ID) is to

Re: Baby Steps (was RE: Alternative formats for IDs)

2006-01-05 Thread Stewart Bryant
John C Klensin wrote: --On Thursday, 05 January, 2006 08:25 -0600 "Ash, Gerald R \\(Jerry\\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Happy New Year to all! Many thanks to Yaakov for his excellent handling of the list discussion. I'm not very surprised with the way it has gone. Déjà vu all

Re: Engineering our way out of a brown paper bag [Re: Consensus b ased on reading tea leaves]

2006-01-05 Thread Stewart Bryant
Gray, Eric wrote: Brian, I think it is somewhat unfair to say that we have not tried the steps you outline below. Where we run into trouble is when different sets of people disagree as to which of the steps we are currently working on. Quite frankly, I believe we can address

Re: Engineering our way out of a brown paper bag [Re: Consensus b ased on reading tea leaves]

2006-01-05 Thread Stewart Bryant
Eliot Lear wrote: I agree. As usual we seem to be stuck in an infinite loop on this mailing list with the cycle being somewhere between 6 months and 3 years. The fact that we keep coming back to this topic may be a message in itself! - Stewart Eliot Gray, Eric wrote: Bri

Re: objection to proposed change to "consensus"

2006-01-06 Thread Stewart Bryant
Randy.Dunlap wrote: On Fri, 6 Jan 2006, Gray, Eric wrote: --> "I think we have reached substantial agreement on the following --> statement: ASCII text was good enough for my Grandfather, and it's --> going to be good enough for my grandchildren. Please reply to this --> CfC

Re: Normative figures

2006-01-09 Thread Stewart Bryant
Sam Hartman wrote: "Stewart" == Stewart Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Stewart> I am in favour of any practical method that allows us to Stewart> progress towards the best tools for the job. Stewart> My personal end-goal is simple: I want us

Re: objection to proposed change to "consensus"

2006-01-09 Thread Stewart Bryant
I think these are valuable inputs as well. There are people involved; whether these people are happy, whether they will continue to work, are important factors. Of course there are religious arguments on the other side: "I want my architectural diagrams; they work well in the ITU and I want th

Re: Normative figures

2006-01-09 Thread Stewart Bryant
Bob Braden wrote: *> *> Normative figures perhaps. Normative equations definitely. Scott, How about Sections 4.2.3.3 and 4.2.3.4 of RFC 1122 (1889), for examples of readable equations in ASCII? I my experience, normative protocol technical specifications rarely need equations much more co

Re: Normative figures

2006-01-09 Thread Stewart Bryant
Sam Hartman wrote: Hi. With the exception of packet diagrams, I think all the examples you bring up benefit significantly from clear textual description. Sam I am not saying that clear text is not needed to accompany a diagram. However a diagram allows a lot less text to be written producing

Re: Normative figures

2006-01-09 Thread Stewart Bryant
Dassa wrote: |> -Original Message- |> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |> On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant |> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:47 AM |> To: Sam Hartman |> Cc: Harald Tveit Alvestrand; ietf@ietf.org |> Subject: Re: Normative figures |&g

Re: Normative figures

2006-01-09 Thread Stewart Bryant
aking some (potentially non-obvious) assumptions, right? --> -Original Message- --> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --> On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant --> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:47 PM --> To: Sam Hartman --> Cc: Harald Tveit Alvestrand; ietf@ietf.or

Re: Normative figures

2006-01-09 Thread Stewart Bryant
We write specifications so that they are easier to read, validate and understand, not so that they are easier to write. Eric We write specs so that they will be correctly implemented. Anything that makes a specification easier to correctly understand surely makes it more likely that it w

Re: Normative figures

2006-01-09 Thread Stewart Bryant
Yes. And, if we're talking about wanting to make the figures normative, I assume we are talking about a specification. In that case, it is far more important that the description MUST be precise, than it is that it MAY be convenient. Please can we clarify the existing rules: For a stan

Re: Normative figures

2006-01-12 Thread Stewart Bryant
Bob Braden wrote: *> The draft has expired so I need to point to an external version. This draft *> which is looking at the properties of a routing network under conditions of *> failure would have been much clearer if it could have used mathematical *> notation rather than ASCIIised equati

Re: PDF, Postscript, and "normative" versions (was: Re: Baby Steps (was RE: Alternative formats for IDs))

2006-01-12 Thread Stewart Bryant
Lars-Erik Jonsson (LU/EAB) wrote: Before I go on, I continue to be fascinated by the observation that, each time the "we really need pictures and fancy formatting and need them frequently" argument comes up, the vast majority of those who make it most strongly are people whose contributions to t

Re: Confirming vs. second-guessing

2008-03-17 Thread Stewart Bryant
> I believe that it's appropriate for the confirming bodies to ask for > additional information if they have reason to doubt that due proces > has been followed or that some of the proposed appointees are suitable. Isn't one of the roles of the liaisons to ensure that due process is followed to t

Re: reminder for people working on -bis documents

2008-03-27 Thread Stewart Bryant
Adrian Farrel wrote: > Good point Jari, > > Can I also remind you to check in the RFC Errata pages to make sure you pick > up any errors that have been flagged since RFC publication. > > > Of course you mean the *relevant* errata - the RFC Erratas page is so full of junk these days that it is

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-rtgwg-ipfrr-spec-base (Basic Specification for IP ...

2008-04-30 Thread Stewart Bryant
Beginning Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Question: Is the accomplishment of this document considered to be the > end or rather the beginning of activities on the rerouting topic ? > > Heiner > > In einer eMail vom 29.04.2008 22:35:53 Westeuropäische Normalzeit > schreibt [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: Appeal against IESG blocking DISCUSS on draft-klensin-rfc2821bis

2008-06-25 Thread Stewart Bryant
At least three ADs believe that the examples should be changed I agree with them. Use of any identifier outside the example space may cause real harm to the owner, where that harm may range from serious harm (technical and/or financial) to mild embarrassment. If anyone wants to use an ide

Re: Missing Materials

2008-07-24 Thread Stewart Bryant
Eric Missing drafts draft-shen-csi-ecc-00.txt (wg=csi) draft-ietf-ccid4-02.txt (wg=dccp) draft-ietf-eai-smtpext-11.txt (wg=eai) draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-09.txt (wg=eai) draft-ietf-ntp-dhcpv6-ntp-opt-00.txt (wg=ntp) draft-ietf-psamp-info-07.txt (wg=ipfix) draft-aitken-ipfix-new-i

Re: Friday experiment

2008-11-28 Thread Stewart Bryant
Another option would be to run until 1300, that's still early enough to have lunch but it does give us a 1.5 hour extra timeslot but only takes that 1.5 hours, not 3.5 like the 1300 - 1500 timeslot so people with flights at 1700 or even 1600 can possibly attend. We could maybe start earlier on

Re: About cookies and refreshments cost and abuse

2006-03-28 Thread Stewart Bryant
In Paris, we switched to a late dinner which was necessary in Paris but we did this in Dallas. Was this a general decision that I missed? I prefer dinner from 6 - 8 and a night session where the local customs support this. This might also cut down the need for afternoon sugar consumption. I

Re: Comments on draft-iab-rfc-editor: IETF control

2006-05-30 Thread Stewart Bryant
Robert Sayre wrote: On 5/26/06, Geoff Huston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Delving down a bit here, I suspect that, as always, the longstanding issue here is the actual level of 'independence" of the RFC Editor, and the potential for a player to perform an end run around the IETF Internet Stan

Re: Last Call: 'Proposed Experiment: Normative Format in Addition to ASCII Text' to Experimental RFC (draft-ash-alt-formats)

2006-06-19 Thread Stewart Bryant
Besides the misquote of myself, the I-D has some misleading examples of bad ASCII art. You cannot honestly prove that ASCII art is unusable by abusing it. I spent a few minutes cleaning up the terrible example in the I-D (Sorry, I am in Washington and don't have ready access to it; I will forw

Re: Last Call: 'Proposed Experiment: Normative Format in Additionto ASCII Text' to Experimental RFC (draft-ash-alt-formats)

2006-06-25 Thread Stewart Bryant
Lars-Erik Jonsson (LU/EAB) wrote: Cogent arguments against? Very few people came out and said that we need nothing beyond ASCII art. If you ask people whether *we* need nothing more than ASCII, I would guess most of us would not claim that, since even if *I* have not had a single case w

[Fwd: Re: Last Call: 'Proposed Experiment: Normative Format in Additionto ASCII Text' to Experimental RFC (draft-ash-alt-formats)]

2006-06-25 Thread Stewart Bryant
As an example,  this .gif extracted from the Y.1711 OAM protocol would be quite difficult in ASCII. It would take a lot of words to describe, which many people would then have to transcribe to some sort of timing diagram - which then may or may not be correct. For those that cannot see the

Re: RFC Editor SOW Review

2006-07-13 Thread Stewart Bryant
The SOW says: g. Document Format Conversions 1) Accept as input ascii text files and publish documents as ascii text files,postscript files, and pdf files 2) Accept supplemental source files that may contain information such as: code, formal descriptions (XML, ASN.1, etc.) graphics, data files,

Re: RFC Editor SOW Review

2006-07-13 Thread Stewart Bryant
Stewart Bryant wrote: The SOW says: g. Document Format Conversions 1) Accept as input ascii text files and publish documents as ascii text files,postscript files, and pdf files 2) Accept supplemental source files that may contain information such as: code, formal descriptions (XML, ASN.1, etc

Re: RFC Editor SOW Review

2006-07-13 Thread Stewart Bryant
Brian E Carpenter wrote: The SOW will be aligned with the final version of draft-mankin-pub-req, whose text has been adjusted for this point in version 10. I just greped v10 and there is no reference to pdf, nor to ps, nor to RFC2223. The text in section 3.9 in V10 seems ambiguous and should

Re: Now there seems to be lack of communicaiton here...

2006-08-31 Thread Stewart Bryant
First I should say that being chair of Nomcom when an innocent mistake like this happens must be a nightmare with every possible action being subject to criticism. Andrew therefore has a completely thankless task in resolving this, and I will support what ever he decides to do. I cannot see how t

Re: Now there seems to be lack of communicaiton here...

2006-09-05 Thread Stewart Bryant
Eastlake III Donald-LDE008 wrote: My theme here was that it is probably not humanly possible to absolutely guarantee that no discretionary decision by the nomcom chair will ever be required somewhere in the process of nomcom formation because it is very hard to anticipate all possible real world

Re: NOMCOM term limits... Re: Now there seems to be lackof communicaiton here...

2006-09-05 Thread Stewart Bryant
The NOMCON is by design accountable to nobody. Members cannot influence their selection in any (legitimate) way. Once appointed a NOMCON member cannot expect to be reappointed. However the Nomcom consists of a cross-section of the community all of whom see the same input from the community

Re: Adjusting the Nomcom process

2006-09-06 Thread Stewart Bryant
Sam Hartman wrote: "Jari" == Jari Arkko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jari> Dave, I'm generally happy with the Nomcom process (and I Jari> believe its a better alternative than direct voting). Jari> However, I do agree with you that making the candidate list Jari> publi

Re: Adjusting the Nomcom process

2006-09-06 Thread Stewart Bryant
Ralph Droms wrote: Perhaps we could avoid similar delays in generating the final list of volunteers in the future: Secretariat generates a list of eligible volunteers as early as possible (As far as I know, eligibility data is available well before call for volunteers is posted) List is used

Re: Specifying a state machine: ASCII-based languages

2006-09-14 Thread Stewart Bryant
Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 10:04:54AM -0400, Henning Schulzrinne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 48 lines which said: Having a more formal description of state machines is a natural next step from having, say, a good syntax description in ABNF. Un

Re: Specifying a state machine: ASCII-based languages

2006-09-15 Thread Stewart Bryant
Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 05:00:20PM +0100, Stewart Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 56 lines which said: Isn't there a suitable text based state description language published by the CCITT that we can use Pointers are welc

Re: *.ppt slides

2006-11-13 Thread Stewart Bryant
Generally speaking just getting the slides before the slot is difficult enough without specifying a format that the author may not normally use. It is common for slides to be written at the very last minute, and even when they are written in advance, last minute changes that result from discussio

Re: Proceeding CDs

2007-02-19 Thread Stewart Bryant
Is there strong rationale for maintaining production of the CDs? No. IMO, free online retrieval of IETF proceedings is sufficient. Spend the time and money on something more important. I agree. - Stewart ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https

Re: Do you want to have more meetings outside US ?

2007-07-29 Thread Stewart Bryant
Do we have any firm evidence that we would get more work done if we had more meetings outside the US? Stewart ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: [IPFIX] draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt

2007-09-25 Thread Stewart Bryant
Scott Historically the biggest issue with IPFIX has been that most implementers want to run it over UDP with consequences be dammed. - this was weaseled in the IPFIX Requirements document (RFC 3917) by requiring (in section 6.3.1) that "For the data transfer, a congestion aware protocol must be

Re: Travel Considerations

2007-10-12 Thread Stewart Bryant
Eric Burger wrote: See http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/reprint/318/5847/36.pdf Which seems to be only available to those prepared to pay. Stewart ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: IPv4 Outage Planned for IETF 71 Plenary

2007-12-15 Thread Stewart Bryant
What's the worst that can happen - we have to listen to the plenary speakers without jabber sessions? That would be pretty major! We have had PWE3 contributors who were unable to be present in the meeting, listen on audio and use IM for questions. Lets do the experiment, but lets not r

Re: Deployment Cases

2008-01-03 Thread Stewart Bryant
Ping Pan wrote: Exactly! It is one impressive spec: clean and simple. Looking at its adaptation, I wonder why in the world it was not adapted and done in IETF. On the other hand, it may take too long in IETF, and would require extensive debate over architecture, framework, requirements... ;-) -

Re: A thought about patents

2000-04-06 Thread Stewart Bryant
Check with the lawyers, but I think that you will find that this is strictly a US view of patents. In every other country any public disclosure anywhere immediately voids the right to patent. Even NDA disclosure can be tricky, because an offer for sale counts as a disclosure. Stewart Doug Ro

Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward running code...

2012-12-03 Thread Stewart Bryant
On 01/12/2012 20:12, Stephen Farrell wrote: Hi all, I've just posted an idea [1] for a small process improvement. If it doesn't seem crazy I'll try pursue it with the IESG as an RFC 3933 process experiment. If its universally hated then that's fine, it can die. The IESG have seen (more-or-less)

Re: WCIT outcome?

2013-01-02 Thread Stewart Bryant
On 02/01/2013 13:44, Carlos M. Martinez wrote: Radio spectrum allocation was a critical task at the time (it still is, although the world doesn't depend that much on it anymore), and one of the task the ITU actually has performed very well, being a positive and constructive player. I don't know

Re: A proposal for a scientific approach to this question [was Re: I'm struggling with 2219 language again]

2013-01-07 Thread Stewart Bryant
Speaking as both a reviewer and an author, I would like to ground this thread to some form of reality. Can anyone point to specific cases where absence or over use of an RFC2119 key word caused an interoperability failure, or excessive development time? - Stewart

Re: A proposal for a scientific approach to this question [was Re: I'm struggling with 2219 language again]

2013-01-07 Thread Stewart Bryant
We tend to think of these as state machines and describe them accordingly. There are other approaches which might be prevented if using a MUST when it wasn't needed. At 10:53 AM + 1/7/13, Stewart Bryant wrote: Speaking as both a reviewer and an author, I would like to ground this

Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director

2013-03-04 Thread Stewart Bryant
On 03/03/2013 14:25, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Clearly the NomCom felt it was between a rock and a hard place; I just want to assert the principle that balancing both managerial and technical abilities is within NomCom's remit. Brian There is a subtly in the manager vs technical expert debate

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-iid-registry-update-00

2013-03-06 Thread Stewart Bryant
Chairs Please can you re on the question posed by Alvaro below. Do you have any objection to adding motivation text to the draft? Certainly I think it would be useful in IESG review. Stewart On 11/02/2013 21:15, Alvaro Retana (aretana) wrote: On 1/16/13 5:17 PM, "Ben Campbell" wrote: Ben:

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

2013-03-11 Thread Stewart Bryant
A person's sex is of course only one of the recognized "protected characteristics". *http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/advice-and-guidance/new-equality-act-guidance/protected-characteristics-definitions/* The full set is: Age Disability Gender ressignment Marriage and civil partnetship Pregna

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

2013-03-19 Thread Stewart Bryant
On 19/03/2013 12:59, Margaret Wasserman wrote: On Mar 12, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Dan Harkins wrote: I'd love to get out of this rat hole. Perhaps the signatories of the open letter can restate the problem they see so it isn't made in terms of race and gender. The letter specifically mentioned the

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

2013-03-20 Thread Stewart Bryant
On 20/03/2013 10:53, Margaret Wasserman wrote: Hi Stewart, On Mar 20, 2013, at 2:04 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote: Age Disability Gender reassignment Marriage and civil partnership Pregnancy and maternity Race Religion and belief Sex Sexual orientation The U.S. has a similar (although not

Re: Appointment of Scott Mansfield as new IETF Liaison Manager to the ITU-T

2013-03-28 Thread Stewart Bryant
David In this particular case the candidate pool would have been tiny, because the criteria would surely have included being experienced with both the ITU process and the IETF liaison process, including knowing and understanding the liaison history. Therefore it seems unlikely that there would be

Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-mpls-tp-ethernet-addressing-05

2013-03-31 Thread Stewart Bryant
On 11/02/2013 23:45, Richard Barnes wrote: I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, pleaseseehttp://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html). Please wait for direction from your document shepherd or AD before pos

Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-mpls-tp-ethernet-addressing-05

2013-04-02 Thread Stewart Bryant
Resending due to Richards change of address. Stewart On 11/02/2013 23:45, Richard Barnes wrote: I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, pleaseseehttp://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html). Please wait for

Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-mpls-tp-ethernet-addressing-05

2013-04-08 Thread Stewart Bryant
rcumstances the only auto config would be teh MAC addresses. Stewart On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Stewart Bryant <mailto:stbry...@cisco.com>> wrote: Resending due to Richards change of address. Stewart On 11/02/2013 23:45, Richard Barnes wrote: I

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-iid-registry-update-00

2013-04-08 Thread Stewart Bryant
on in general terms with the embedded routing draft cited as an example. Thanks, Acee On 3/6/13 7:01 AM, "Stewart Bryant" wrote: Chairs Please can you re on the question posed by Alvaro below. Do you have any objection to adding motivation text to the draft? Certainly I think it would be

Re: Purpose of IESG Review

2013-04-13 Thread Stewart Bryant
On 12/04/2013 14:17, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: On Apr 12, 2013, at 12:13 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Seeing randomly selected drafts as a Gen-ART reviewer, I can say that serious defects quite often survive WG review and sometimes survive IETF Last Call review, so the final review by the IESG

Re: Purpose of IESG Review

2013-04-13 Thread Stewart Bryant
AB Have you considered that the key thing to remember in the IETF is that: "Foo is broken because of (carefully reasoned) Bar" always trumps "Foo is OK because of who I am" ... and of course vise versa. Thus in the IETF influence is a function of the ability to carefully construct a well reason

Re: Meritocracy, diversity, and leaning on the people you know

2013-04-22 Thread Stewart Bryant
On 19/04/2013 19:13, Ted Hardie wrote: As a working group chair, when I stare out at a sea of faces looking for a scribe, the chances of my asking someone I know produces good minutes is much higher than my asking someone whose work I don't know. Think about how this often works in WGs without

Re: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration?

2013-04-29 Thread Stewart Bryant
On 29/04/2013 01:53, Margaret Wasserman wrote: Hi Tom, On Apr 19, 2013, at 6:03 AM, t.p. wrote: If we required the IETF to reflect the diversity of people who are, e.g., IT network professionals, then the IETF would fall apart for lack of ability. […] If the ADs of the IETF have to represent

Re: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration?

2013-04-29 Thread Stewart Bryant
On 29/04/2013 05:05, Michael StJohns wrote: At 08:53 PM 4/28/2013, Margaret Wasserman wrote: The question that people are asking is why the diversity of the IETF leadership doesn't reflect the diversity of _the IETF_. Let's consider for a moment that this may not actually be the correct que

Re: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration?

2013-04-29 Thread Stewart Bryant
On 29/04/2013 06:57, Dave Crocker wrote: On 4/28/2013 10:52 PM, Christian Huitema wrote: Except that the IESG members select the wg chairs, which makes your baseline stastistic suspect; it's too easy for all sorts of biasing factors to sway the allocation of wg chair positions. Mike actually m

Re: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration?

2013-04-29 Thread Stewart Bryant
On 29/04/2013 20:39, Sam Hartman wrote: For what it's worth, I'm not finding the current discussion is providing me useful information for making decisions. It doesn't really matter to me whether the problem is selection of WG chairs or selection of IAB/IESG/IAOC after WG chairs are selected. I

Re: When to adopt a WG I-D

2013-05-28 Thread Stewart Bryant
On 28/05/2013 15:36, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: It is difficult to read, because I am expecting a process and find something else, I started to read, but got confused (stoped reading), why you are titling it as creating WG-draft and mentioning the adoption into the document. I understand that the

Re: Last Call: (Use of OSPF-MDR in Single-Hop Broadcast Networks) to Experimental RFC

2013-06-07 Thread Stewart Bryant
On 07/06/2013 09:23, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: Thanks for your respond below, AB Thank you Richard and Abdussalam for reaching agreement on this. I regard the issue as now closed. Regards Stewart Bryant (speaking as responsible Area Director)

Re: Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2013-06-21 Thread Stewart Bryant
AB Thomas started posting these weekly reports many years ago as a service to the community to remind us all that posting to ietf@ietf.org contributes to the information and work overload of the IETF community as a whole. The numbers are a reminder to think carefully about what you send to the

Re: Towards consensus on document format

2010-03-17 Thread Stewart Bryant
Michel Py wrote: Jorge Amodio wrote: Hard to believe but Morse is still in use and required for certain classes of radio operators. For good reasons; in difficult conditions, Morse still delivers the message when the voice has long stopped being recognizable. Morse would be like ASCII: def

Re: [secdir] Secdir review of draft-ietf-isis-trill

2010-12-20 Thread Stewart Bryant
On 20/12/2010 18:43, Donald Eastlake wrote: Hi, On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Sam Hartman wrote: "Radia" == Radia Perlman writes: Radia> No objections. Radia Can I get someone to confirm that the text in the proposed sentences is substantially true? I think so but I'm not an IS-I

Re: Gen-ART Telechat review of draft-ietf-isis-genapp-04

2011-03-15 Thread Stewart Bryant
I will put a note in the tracker Stewart On 15/03/2011 19:52, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: -Original Message- From: Ben Campbell [mailto:b...@nostrum.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:26 PM To: draft-ietf-isis-genapp@tools.ietf.org Cc: General Area Review Team; The IETF Subj

Re: Last Call: (PPP TRILL Protocol Control Protocol) to Proposed Standard

2011-05-31 Thread Stewart Bryant
The RTG-dir review comments : http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtg-dir/current/msg01533.html Should be addressed before publication. - Stewart On 25/05/2011 17:13, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Point-to-Point Protocol Extensions WG (pppext) to consider the fol

Proposed text for IESG Processing of RFC Errata concerning RFC Metadata

2011-06-02 Thread Stewart Bryant
The IESG is considering making this statement on the processing of RFC Errata concerning RFC Metadata. We would appreciate community feedback. Please can we have feedback by Thursday 9th June. Thanks Stewart == Draft text for IESG Statement on RFC Metadata Date: xx-xxx- This IESG

Re: tsv-dir review of draft-ietf-pwe3-fat-pw-06

2011-07-06 Thread Stewart Bryant
Rolf Thank you for the review On 19/05/2011 14:24, Rolf Winter wrote: CONTENT: Section 3 says: "If a flow LSE is present, it MUST be checked to determine whether it carries a reserved label. If it is a reserved label the packet is processed according to the rules associated with that reserv

Re: notes from discussion of KARP design guidelines

2011-07-12 Thread Stewart Bryant
On 12/07/2011 23:23, Joe Touch wrote: Hi, Joel (et al.), On 7/10/2011 7:10 AM, Joel Halpern wrote: Joe, THE KARP WG Chairs have reviewed your comments, in order to figure out what the best way to address them. We would appreciate it if you could engage in discussion of this proposal on the KARP

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-shiomoto-ccamp-switch-programming

2011-08-11 Thread Stewart Bryant
On 10/08/2011 19:35, Adrian Farrel wrote: Hi Ben, Thanks for reading. Nits/editorial comments: -- section 1, paragraph 4: "...with relation to the programming..." ... in relation to... Yeah. RFC Editor note if Stewart is watching (although I'm guessing the RFC Editor might just fix this any

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-25 Thread Stewart Bryant
On 25/08/2011 18:12, Mary Barnes wrote: I am also a fan of Minneapolis for meetings - the facilities at the Hilton are perfect for our needs. There's lots of food options. It has good air connections and there is decent pubic transport from the airport to the city. However, this seems to be

Re: [mpls] [PWE3] IETF Last Call comment on draft-ietf-pwe3-gal-in-pw

2011-08-30 Thread Stewart Bryant
Reviewing this discussion there are three components. 1) The update of RFC5586 to allow PW to use the GAL. 2) The PW OAM application that is to use the GAL. 3) The label stack structure when teh GAL is used with a PW This draft is only concerned with point 1 above. Points 2 and 3 need to be re

Re: [mpls] [PWE3] IETF Last Call comment on draft-ietf-pwe3-gal-in-pw

2011-08-30 Thread Stewart Bryant
Sasha On 30/08/2011 13:22, Alexander Vainshtein wrote: Stewart, I believe that your item #1 is presumably addressed by draft-ietf-pwe3-gal-in-pw (with the changes you’ve proposed), draft-nadeau-pwe3-vccv-2 is an attempt to address your item #2, and your item #3 is not yet addressed. Is th

Re: FW: [PWE3] Last Call: (Using the Generic Associated Channel Label for Pseudowire in MPLS-TP) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-01 Thread Stewart Bryant
On 01/09/2011 15:37, Yaakov Stein wrote: Stewart Was this email meant to address my email to the IETF discussion list (from Tues 16 Aug) or just the discussion on MPLS and PWE lists ? It does to SOME extent, as it leaves open the possibility of the GAL not being at BoS; but it does not r

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