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Peter Deutsch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gydig Software
""It doesn't hurt to be optimistic. You can always cry later."
-- Lucimar Santos De Lima
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> >
> > Wondering whether it was before or after the first official release of
> > Mosaic
> >
> > Harald
> >
> >
> >
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sex...
> >
> An interesting subject for a thesis:
>
> The Porn and The Internet.
>
> You think I can apply for a grant to the NSF?
Nah, that would never fly. How about "An Investigation into the Utility
of Stimulus-Response Sites For Promoting Networked Growth Patterns&quo
. The demands upon space likely wont drop back
down again on their own, so some hard calls might be needed to balance
the books here.
In summary, I would suggest that if decisions are made based upon
built-in assumptions such as "attendance is going back up" or "falling
attendan
em's solved but
somehow I'm not sure this is going to solve the problem in practice...
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s and your
profit margins once you past break-even are great. Oh, and it's a great
way for participants to show their direct support for the process by
using their IETF domain for posting to the IETF lists. What's not to
like here?
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ectation that this thread is starting on its death spiral. Can
somebody please make a reference to Adolf Hitler, so we can all declare
victory and go home?
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ke you're trying to lend legitimacy to odious
practices by sleight-of-hand mathematics. Shame on you...
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"Bungle..."
"That's an 'i', you idiot..."
"Oh, right. 'Bingle..."
- Red versus Blue...
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g'day,
Vernon Schryver wrote:
>
> > From: Peter Deutsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > ...
> > despite the fact that the vast majority of folks have *not* agreed with
> > you, and some of us have specifically challenged (I wont be so
> > presumptuo
actually
think is the way to go.
So, okay, this discussion needs to move off the ietf general list, but
again I agree with Paul. Where is the direction about where we should be
heading with this?
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down
As I said, I've done some digging and found nothing exactly like this,
but Paul's casual remark suggests I'm missing something basic in the
literature (admittedly I haven't done an exhaustive search yet).
Pointers to the obvious work, or pointers to the obvious holes,
e (trust me, this can
be done. I have a proof of this, but the margins of my screen are too
small to contain it. It's enough for the purposes of this exposition to
note that this is something that can be precomputed so it can be
obtained somewhat efficiently).
So, back comes the Oracle, with the pa
uot;Bacon"
(for the hopefully obvious reason).
I wrote:
> So, back comes the Oracle, with the path:
>
> Peter Deutsch -> Einar Stefferud -> Randy Bush -> Paul Vixie
Sorry Randy, I'm going to drop you from the example. I think it's
funnier if it reads:
f to its roots and do some statistically valid analysis on
its origins, goals, etc. Otherwise, we seem to be in grave danger of
designing a system (spam control) without ever talking to its users (the
spam generators). Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me...
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hard data. If not, this might be something
the IMC could consider pulling together? I'd agree that there's way too
much hand-waving going on here on this point...
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g'day,
Paul Hoffman / IMC wrote:
>
> At 10:40 AM -0700 5/30/03, Peter Deutsch wrote:
> >Paul Hoffman / IMC wrote:
> >...
> >Well, perhaps it's more accurate to say "if they thought it could be
> >solved by working with all those nice and entusiastic
it's perceived to be a growing problem for the rest of the
Internet, for which a solution will be needed in the not too distant
future, so people on this list are discussing the near future, not
*your* particular present reality. Your "but it's not a problem for me"
reaction is
"J. Noel Chiappa" wrote:
>
> > From: Keith Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > The reason that we are explaining (once again) why NAT sucks is that
> > some people in this community are still in denial about that
>
> The person who's most in denial around here is you - about how defini
Keith Moore wrote:
>
> > > expecting the network
> > > to isolate insecure hosts from untrustworthy attackers, or more
> > > generally, to enforce policy about what kinds of content are
> > > permitted to pass, has always been a stretch.
> > >
> >
> > So where do firewalls fit into your picture?
yone needs any other data feel free to
contact me and I will be happy to coordinate its release with the
trustee in a timely fashion.
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g'day,
David R. Conrad wrote:
>
> Charlie,
>
> > DNS is supposed to be a way to resolve domain names into IP addresses.
>
> As a hammer is supposed to be a way to pound nails. However, when it is
> perceived that all you have is a hammer, it is amazing what begins to look
> like nails.
Actua
Hi Dave,
Dave Crocker wrote:
>
> At 03:01 PM 12/2/1999 , Peter Deutsch wrote:
> >Actually, I think it would be as accurate to say "DNS is a distributed
> >database service. The first application was name to IP address
> >translation, but it's now used for a num
Hi Randy,
You know, I probably don't want to go here, but since you pulled the
ring tab and opened this can:
Randy Bush wrote:
. . .
> > statement available from
>
> "available as" i suspect a url is *popularly* considered to be the document
> not it's location.
Well, I don't recall any pol
Dick St.Peters wrote:
> However, I'm now of the opinion that email is first-class mail, not
> parcel post.
Seems like a question to be decided by users, not engineers.
Most of the mail I receive is simple text or Word docs, and thus well
under 1M, but last night I received two pieces of email fr
g'day,
Vernon Schryver wrote:
. . .
> There is no magic. Users have been demanding the impossible from SMTP
> on the grounds that they don't understand why not for decades.
With all due respect, we're not the law-givers, come down from on high
with the tablets. We're the hired help. Telling
Kent Crispin wrote:
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 06:00:09PM -0600, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
> > Customers are generally much happier when you give them what they ask for
> > instead of forcing them to use something else; if people want to be able to
> > mail full DVDs to each other, it's our job to d
Kent Crispin wrote:
>
> On Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 04:27:36PM -0600, Richard Shockey wrote:
> [...]
> >
> > Excellent idea... HTTP Push to a defined directory with email notification
> > of an appropriate URL. One problem.
> >
> >
> > http://www.patents.ibm.com/patlist?icnt=US&patent_number
g'day,
Richard Shockey wrote:
>
> >
> >Actually, there have been a few of these in recent years. I've done some
> >consulting for lawyers seeking to overthrow patents where someone has
> >obviously simply gone out and documented things done by others.
> >
> >To revisit a theme I raised back in t
Hi Dave,
Dave Crocker wrote:
>
> At 09:02 AM 12/18/1999 , Peter Deutsch wrote:
> >To revisit a theme I raised back in the summer, this need to be able to
> >prove prior art is the reason I believe we need to preserve Internet
> >Drafts, not just mailing lists and other w
Hi Scott,
Scott Bradner wrote:
>
> >To revisit a theme I raised back in the summer, this need to be able to
> >prove prior art is the reason I believe we need to preserve Internet
> >Drafts,
>
> the IESG has asked the IETF Secretariat to do this and the old IDs
> should be on-line soon
Cool! T
Ross Finlayson wrote:
>
> At 01:59 PM 3/6/00 -0800, Cameron Young wrote:
> >Most of the wall power outlets have little rocker switches built into the
> >outlet cover that also needs to be turned on.
> >
> >*Don't* forget to check this if you are charging a cell phone / laptop for
> >use the nex
substantial revision before it is found
> acceptable.
So you are arguing for explicit censorship of ideas based upon your
own moral assessment of the potential misuse of those ideas? Wow.
Now *that* is a dangerous notion indeed. I sincerely hope it is not
a widely held one within the eche
d upon an individual's sense of what is a moral or legal use of
that technology (when the individual doesn't justify this through
any particular creditials in either morality or the law) strikes me
as somewhat naive, to say the least...
egedly uses and I don't want to be thinking
of the Queen of England every time I read one of your postings. Why
can't I demand the IETF forbid any mail posted from you without the
leading "the"?
Okay, it's Friday and I'm being silly, but the underlying concept
here is most definitely censorship of ideas in a mo
umented role of the IETF to be
a clearing house for information in the process. If you want the
appropriate words of RFC 22026 and 1718 deleted that you take the
appropriate steps to initiate the change, but I suggest that meanwhile
you shouldn't be denying the documented evidence for such a
oved along slowly even without NAT.
> but it would probably have moved faster had NATs not existed.
>
> best thing I can say about NAT is that it motivated me to work on 6to4.
>
> Keith
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t; > > > > i would imagine the problem would be at high, not low, tide.
> > >
> > > > oops. mea culpa.
> > > >
> > > > L.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry to add yet another post to a pointless thread but...
> > > Ll
y and maximum payload size of the transport layer to properly
model traffic here...
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> L.
>
> size does matter.
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>PGP<http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/>
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first glance it seems pretty mundane.
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Director of Engineering
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Content Networking Business Unit
he old saying goes, if you build a smarter mouse trap, all you get are
smarter mice...
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Director of Engineer
g'day,
Kyle Lussier wrote:
. . .
> I'm a strong proponent of the "one true mark", easy-in, no hassles.
> With strong, but forgiving enforcement policies.
>
> That's the only way I see to do it, not to mention, if it's cheap
> and easy, lots of people will do it, and you would generate a
> $10m
the place, please take it over there, but personally I think it's
time to let this one die here.
Would somebody please mention Adolf Hitler so we can declare this thread
complete?
AD-thanks-VANCE...
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g that "large corporations" will
willingly pay an order of magnitude more for the privilege of
subsidizing individual contributors doesn't seem viable to me...
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"bio-overhead" in that number, but the
benefits are real enough that I'd vote to keep paying for the cookies...
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e to accept that you lost a technical
argument and move on...
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Peter Deutsch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gydig Software
"This, my friend, is a pint."
"It comes in pints?!? I'm getting one!!"
- Lord of the Rings
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to use the other set of utilities
> >(Basically
> >I had inherited two developers code). Well my KLOC for the week was
> >somewhere in
> >the -10 range, and it was a month before I started going positive again. My
> >reviews
> >sucked, but it was the right thin
elsewhere, sounds
like failure of *something* to me. Of course, it *does* solve the
overcrowding problem, so if you want to measure success by the ability
to get a cookie in the corridor, this would be a good thing... ;-)
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Peter Deutsch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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"This, my friend, is a pint."
"It comes in pints?!? I'm getting one!!"
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w to best monetize
it.
Maybe that's why you're an engineer, and not a marketing guy... ;-)
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I cannot
er at the subroot level...
(As he hides behind blast wall, to avoid flying shrapnel... ;-)
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"I had to do an assign
; reasons anyways, and by using a different port
you'd find the proxy/interception issues go away, too.
Sounds like a win for everybody...
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area. Either possibility makes me sad... :-)
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(Who will now slink back into his hole, wondering what on earth possesed
him...)
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h an archive would be invaluable. "He who fogets history
is doomed to repeat it" and all that
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ited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please
> notify us by telephone or email (to the numbers or address above)
> immediately.
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of a first derivative of research, to do research about research I
guess...
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That's it
have done so for a long time. All we're talking about here is
simplifying things...
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That's it for now. Remember to read chapt
lots more people in the corridors...
:-/
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"Time will end all of my troubles, but I don't
always approve of time's methods..."
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t we limit name-calling on
IETF lists to within the bounds of quoting appropriate snippets of Monty
Python. You'd be free to publish elsewhere, so it's not censorship, and
we'd be sure not to sully the IETF's reputation for quality of
discourse. At the same time, I'm going to
Hi Patrik,
Patrik Fältström wrote:
>
> At 17.29 -0700 2000-04-07, Peter Deutsch wrote:
> > LD is intended to sit in front of a cluster of
> >cache engines containing similar data, performing automatic
> >distribution of incoming requests among the multiple ca
g'day,
Keith Moore wrote:
> Peter,
>
> I think that by now I've made my points and defended them adequately and
> that there is little more to be acheived by continuing a public,
> and largely personal, point-by-point argument. If you want to continue
> this in private mail I'll consider it.
O
Keith Moore wrote:
> > The industry and their customers have already decided against you on
> > this one.
>
> Industry people love to make such claims. They're just marketing BS.
> The Internet isn't in final form yet and I don't expect it to stabilize
> for at least another decade. There's s
ay grade (and not the way I see this
company working at all). I'm just suggesting that at least some individuals
I know (and not just at Cisco) are starting to feel that the IETF is less
relevant to their needs than it used to be. Some people are going to say
"great, that'll cut d
e IETF. And clearly, some would think that a good thing.
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Peter Deutsch work email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Technical Leader
Content Services Business Unit private: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cisco Systems or : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alcohol and calculus don't mix. Never drink and derive.
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having documents come out as "Request
For Comments" in the traditional sense, but it certainly wouldn't hurt to find
ways to better distinguish between the Standards track and other documents.
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g'day,
Tripp Lilley wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, Peter Deutsch in Mountain View wrote:
>
> > readily accessible. I still see value in having documents come out as "Request
> > For Comments" in the traditional sense, but it certainly wouldn't hurt to find
we'll
have only ourselves to blame if and when the users pass us by...
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r keeping the I-Ds "officially ephemeral", and if
> deja-id pops up to archive them, i'll probably occasionally poke around in
> there myself.
>
> cheers, Greg
>
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usible, organisms sometimes thrown up for consideration by the
Darwinian process. But only *some* people hate the fact that it lead to
humanity (and thus, IP! :-) Keith, you really should trust the process a
lot more than you do...
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