Apart from the "eating our own dogfood" bit ...
Most other Internet events I attend, or follow remotely, use Real
audio/video, or sometimes Windows Media Player.
Can anyone tell me if there are any TECHNICAL reasons why we can't
do this for the IETF meetings?
Ole
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> ites:
> >
> >
> >
> >Apart from the "eating our own dogfood" bit ...
> >
> >Most other Internet events I attend, or follow remotely, use Real
> >audio/video, or sometimes Windows Media Player.
> >
> >C
Paul,
This is simply silly.
What you are saying is that for religious reasons you are unwilling to use
FREE and widely used tools in order to help us develop our own.
Next thing you'll be telling me PDF is a bad thing.
If you want the IETF to be a place where more people can participate you
nee
Paul,
As has been pointed out, this is a little more complicated than just
the choice of client, in particular multicast is not widely available
to the "average" Internet user.
But I still find it ironic that I can watch a webcast from an ICANN
meeting but I am unable to do the same for an IETF m
t:
>
> On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 20:17 -0800, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
> > ..Note that Real
> > Player is available for multiple platforms for free, ..
>
> The Linux version, last I tried [8.0.3.412], didn't include support for
> multicast.
>
>
The reason there are "no rooms available" through the normal online
reservation system is that the IETF "owns" a huge room block. I tried
booking at the end of MARCH having a hunch it would be this hotel. Same
story back then.
It would of course be nice if you could enter a special code and get
Much as I understand the moral outrage that NATs cause in some people's
mind, NATs are still a reality AND they (usually anyway) provide
connectivity to the Internet. Have you tried using a hotelroom Ethernet
port or a WiFi network recently? I can't remember the last time I was
assigned something t
On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
"But it's substandard service nonetheless."
Huh?
We can certainly have an argument about what is a reasonable price, but if
I can do *exactly* the same things (read/send e-mail, browse the web,
transfer files, make connections to remote hosts via
ut Danisch wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 20, 2004 at 02:23:51PM -0700, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
> >
> > We can certainly have an argument about what is a reasonable price, but if
> > I can do *exactly* the same things (read/send e-mail, browse the web,
> > transfer files, make connectio
Yes, the transit security is indeed infuriating. Happens in London too and
can take a long time if you happen to arrive during a high "load average".
Basically, they all seem to be saying "we don't trust the security in the
country you just came from." Or perhaps: "We want to make sure you don't
us
The IETF is the standards setting organization for the Internet. As such,
it does not have "activities" in any specific regions of the world, unless
you mean IETF Meetings. We did meet in Seoul, Korea last time and have
previously met in Adelaide, Australia and Yokohama, Japan.
Participants in the
Problem is you get a bag at almost EVERY conference in this industry. I've
started to (politely) refuse the bag in the last 5 years or so, accepting
only any "required" contents such as the program.
Years ago, when I worked for Interop, we over-ordered on the canvas bags
one year and made a donati
Having gone through this particular debate a few times before, let
me just repeat what others have told me when I suggested we keep
our documents archived and accessible:
- Vendors are "stupid" and will claim compliance with a work-in-progress
document instead of a final standard. This is "very
Bob,
I understand the sentiment of the FFs. The only problem is:
- Once something is published, it is really, really hard to unpublish it.
- Before something becomes a final stable document/standard, it is useful
to be able to actually refer to it, somehow.
- Even if something never becomes
Since you've gone through the trouble of creating a web page, it would be
really nice to have links to all the relevant restructuring docs, existing
procedures and so on. I was looking for just such a link to point my
readers to so that they could join or follow these discussion, but I gave
up and
Date and Time: Monday, November 8, 1300-1500
Location: TBA --- see final agenda on-site.
*** This BOF will be Multicast ***
The Future of IETF Multicast/Unicast Services
-
With recent changes in the IETF and ways in which interested parties
particip
If you see at lot of guys with very short haircuts, sniffer dogs, police
and the like, it is because the US Marine Corps is having its Ball here
tonight. You might even see Rumsfeld and other "famous" people.
Remember, these people do not have a sense of humor and they are very
respectful of the
Indeed.
People polled after the election said they put Moral Values as the #1
priorty. I see no reason why the previous and next administration won't
make a morality section a requirement in all published docs.
The immorality of NATs for example...
Is it April already?
What did I miss?
Ole
O
Hardly a moral model, I mean look at some of the stuff Bert engages in:
http://bert.secret-wg.org/Kisses/index.html
...and that's the censored stuff.
OK, OK, back to AdminRest or something equally sobering :-)
Ole
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And band of kids playing TUBAs
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Sam,
I completely agree. While it may be "politically correct" to involve the
ISOC chapters, it should not be a required course of action. It is also
worth noting that only a SMALL number of ISOC chapters are actually
active, have regular meetins, or even a web or e-mail presence. The
chapter mode
I was asked to send this to all WG and BOF Chairs, but actually this
information is probably relevant to all meeting attendees.
Audio is being streamed from all meeting rooms this time. Anyone at the
mics should identify themselves for the listening audience.
Keep in mind also that the mics are
I think it is also worth pointing out that:
- In certain building enviorments, this technology simply does not
scale to hundreds of users, unless both the access point and the
client software cooperate. Given that we have a variety of clients,
this isn't going to change any time soon. (I'll
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2005, Tim Chown wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 01:47:05PM -0800, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
> >
> > Simply saying that a network which is built by volunteers (or by anyone
> > els
If there was a pattern of random customs agents trying to "inspect" your
laptop for crypto, I would worry---mostly about the delay that this would
cause rather than anything else.
But, having travelled in and out of France for the last decade+ I can
categorically state that this has NEVER happene
I heard a rumor that North Korea is planning to invade France in August to
take possesion of strategic food and wine reserves, and to prove that they
are reading this list. I think they'll ignore crypto however.
:-)
ole
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May I suggest that we consider starting a working group on this:
http://www.notes.co.il/benbasat/10991.asp
(Paris may not be the right venue as you will discover).
Ole
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It's not exactly a newsletter, but "my" journal IPJ does attempt to cover
some of technical developments within the IETF, and could cover a lot more
with the help of its participants. It won't replace the newsletter you are
talking about here, but it could certainly work more as a companion
resourc
Remember last time you registered for an IETF meeting?
Does this ring a bell at all?
http://www.unixwiz.net/ndos-shame.html
Ole
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Could this perhaps be an opportunity for the operations community (read
NANOG) to work with the standards community (read IETF)?
Maybe they could even, gasp, meet jointly or nearby in time/place...?
I know, I know, radical thinking but...
Ole
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JFC,
Since I have engaged in debate with you on another list, maybe I can
offer some constructive criticism to perhaps make you understand why
people react the way they do, up to and including this proposed action.
I have cc'd the IETF and IESG since I others may agree or disagree with
me and off
On Thu, 6 Oct 2005, Nick Staff wrote:
>
> What I'm saying is, if this were Lord of The Flies some of you would be the
> one who kills Piggy.
>
> nick
Nick,
I always felt really sorry for Piggy and I thought it was wrong for them
to kill him. He was smarter than any of the others and he spoke
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote:
> How about adding that the mean outdoor temperature at the time of the
> year the meeting is being held should be above 0 degrees Centigrade?
>
Why?
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The visa requirements one would probably prevent us from meeting in the
US, some will consider this a "feature" :-)
The "restrictions on freedom of expression" is a little more tricky and
one could argue that the IETF should not be in the business of trying to
change policy at that level. China
Not going to happen. The specific instances of filtering, blocking,
redirection etc in a certain large Asian country have always been:
1. Sporadic, random and hard to verify/predict
2. Denied categorically by anyone in power
Ole
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Gray, Eric wrote:
> Avri,
>
> Perh
Sam,
I think Avri intended to say that there are SOME countries in the world
where visa requirements for citizens of some OTHER countries in the world
are so restrictive or slow to process or expensive etc, that it makes it
virtually impossible to travel to confereces etc. To list this completely
I think it is largely a matter of colliding reality fields. JFC and a
small number of his "supporters" are convinced the IETF will destroy the
rainforest and subsequently the planet as we know it. The rest of us are
having a hard time figuring out what in the world he is talking about.
A PR action
On Sat, 5 Nov 2005, Anthony G. Atkielski wrote:
> HTML is a Web format, not an e-mail format. And unlike PDF, HTML does
> not guarantee any particular presentation at the receiving end, since
> the receiving software must interpret the HTML. HTML gives
> suggestions, not absolute rules as PDF do
Chill out.
The restaurant guide is hardly an official document for the IETF. I am
sure it ended up there because someone was trying to be helpful. Call
that an accident or a poor judgement call if you are a purist, call it
simply insignificant if you're not. The document is more than likely
avai
In the good old days we had "Coffee available throughout" for all the
morning sessions, and in Yokohama we had snacks and drinks available ALL
day including for the late night sessions. This makes a BIG difference
IMHO to keep the "engines running" even with this new schedule.
ole
Ole J. Jacob
Now available in two proprietary formats:
Original Apple Keynote presentation:
http://www.yikes.com/~ole/store/IETF-20years.key/
PDF:
http://www.yikes.com/~ole/store/IETF-20years.pdf
Enjoy
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Christian,
This is hardly a matter of FCC regulations or other laws, but rather about
what we can expect from cooperating IETF attendees. Smoking can be
"outlawed" in groups indepently of any local laws that may or may not
apply.
Ole
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In 19 days, this very hotel and meeting rooms will be filled with ICANN
attendees, most of whom are not "technical" in our sense of the word. That
should be lots of fun :-)
I am sure they could use some volunteers if you feel like coming back.
Ole
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I probably should have included this picture in my slideshow * :
http://yikes.com/~ole/store/MCI-IETF34.jpg
Ten years ago, MCI hosted the IETF in Dallas. Someone thought it would
be a nice idea to give every attendee an MCI card that would be good for
free calls to anywhere in the world during t
Huh?
The ASCII *diagrams* have to be rendered in some other character set
in order for them to be authoritative? I don't believe there is any
requirement that the translated *text* be ASCII-only.
Ole
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005, JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote:
>
> I understand this. But it restricts R
Robert,
This is a good point. It even applies to the IETF secretariat. It used to
be impossible to register with your "real name" if it contained non-ASCII
characters. I think that has changed, I recall having Seen Olafur
Gudmundson's badge with the real Icelandic "curly d" (or whatever it is
As far as I can tell, Microsoft has no idea what ASCII means. You would
expect that "Save As... Text Only" would produce clean ASCII from a
"pretty" Word file, but it does not. Instead, you get a file which
contains various 8-bit encodings of common characters such as curly
quotation marks, en- an
Inline:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> Hi Lakshimnath, just a few notes and queries...
>
> On 2008-03-16 16:10, Lakshminath Dondeti wrote:
> ...
> > * Nominee lists should be made public. In fact, other selection
> > processes within the IETF make the candidate lists public a
You said:
" The confirming bodies should not be concerned with the way the
Nomcom got to the point of nominating someone (at least not during
the process), but they are there to examine the nomination and
nominee and to determine if - in the confirming body's best judgement
- the nomine
Yep, they didn't even know how to spell FOREWORD.
Ole
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote:
>
The random selection process coupled with the relatively small number
of volunteers is an interesting factor in all of this. I have been
selected 3 times (albeit the second time it all fell apart in The
Giant Reset of 2006 :-) and volunteered probably 10 or 15 times.
It's either hard to get on
Eric,
Thank you for such a wonderful positive description of the process. I
am sure it will lead to much more participation and volunteer
activity, after all, who doesn't want to travel?
I am particularly pleased to see that you have so many creative
suggestions for alternative ways for choos
My understanding is that the blue sheet serves mainly as a record of
"who was in the room" which I think is largely used to plan room
capacities for the next meeting. There may be other procedural aspects
such as measuring consensus, but it seems to me that this can all be
done without the nee
Pardon the intrusion, but many of you have asked me about this over
the years, and I am finally able to tell you that: ConneXions is now
available online!
Thanks to the Charles Babbage Institute at the University of
Minnesota, the entire collection (10 years, 117 issues, 3,662 pages)
has been s
Paul,
But it is still the case that an application for say .local would need
to go through some review process (regardless of price) which would
include input from the IETF ICANN rep. I see little reason why or how
a TLD that would be damaging, confusing, or otherwise "bad" for the
IETF would/c
Hi,
Over the next few months, say by the end of 2008, I will be working on
a set of webpages specifically designed to help you get to Hiroshima
for IETF 76. These will follow the general template of what you can
find here:
http://www.yikes.com/~ole/store/kyoto/Kyoto.html
This was something I d
I agree with Paul.
Having now quickly read the article in question I don't even see what
the "problem" is, including the somewhat provocative headline.
But if you (collecively) would like a more technical and less
"sensational" (if that is your perception of the article in question)
approach,
With all the discussions about food, hotel network problems, etc, you
might have overlooked some of the details that were different in the
positive sense at IETF 72.
First, the registration process now auto-generates a PDF receipt for
your expense report, and if you misplace this file you can g
One could also mention the real technical challenges in implementing
non-ASCII characters in the relevant applications. It's certainly not
a simple "just do it" concept, see for example:
http://www.cisco.com/web/about/ac123/ac147/archived_issues/ipj_11-1/111_idns.html
Ole
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Edit
I agree with Paul, especially since the APPOINTED candidates are
completely public and posted for comments from the community. This was
especially strange for me last year as a sitting member of the nomcom
and a appointee-candidate for the IAOC. You could say that I helped
choose my colleague,
Since you brought it up, I am sure many readers of this list have
never heard of Swan, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Swan
He did indeed invent the lightbulb and all of us Newcastle alumni know
only too well ;-)
Ole
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Dave,
The IAOC is aware of the situation with respect to visas for visitors
from mainland China at this particular IETF meeting. Generally
speaking, applicants are NOT refused visas, they just don't get a
reply (or a visa) in time and they may never get a reply at all.
We are not sure what hap
Here is a link to an English-language travel planner that you can use
to check train times, prices and duration:
http://www.hyperdia.com/cgi-english/hyperWeb.cgi?
Enter, for example, Tokyo as the starting point and Hiroshima as the
destination, in the next step set your departure time, type of
As promised, I have put together some web pages about Hiroshima.
Intended to augment rather than replace any official IETF or local
host pages, my pages cover "how to get there" as well as other bits
of (hopefully) useful information. I am sure the local host will
provide more detailed city info
To paraphrase you:
"Because these people are clueless and have no idea how the IETF
works, it is perfectly proper to mislead them with an announcement
with a call-to-action that basically amounts to spam. When they
take such action it's obviously because the IETF doesn't use the
right language."
Just be sure to stop at the gun rental place at the airport on the way in,
this is Texas :-)
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Q: What does Yokohama and Dallas have in common?
A: They both have large mechanical-action pipe organs, in concert halls.
Fisk Opus 100 in Dallas is the "sister" of Lucy, Opus 110 in Yokohama.
I was unable to organize an organ demo in Dallas, it would have been cool
to do so on March 21, Bach'
I should point out that Mike St. Johns has 63 IETFs under his belt closely
followed by Ross Callon at 61 or 62. It would be interesting to know how
many airline miles the 3 of us have collected as a result of going to IETF
meetings. My current United total since I signed up in 1987 is 1,462,415
Except of course that many of the "US Sponsors" are in fact global
companies anyway. Think about the list of recent and future sponsors.
Ole
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The "wifi phone booth in Japan [...] wildly popular with attendees," was
actually at APRICOT in Kyoto, but I know it all blends together after a
while :-) At $50, vs the retail price of around $350, it was a loss-leader
give-away. I think we'd be happy to get more "free stuff" like that :-)
Ol
There is at least one hotel closer to the venue also, the
InterContinental.
Ole
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Have you ever wondered what it takes to build a pipe organ? Casting pipe
metal, building wind chests, voicing pipes, installing trackers, rollers,
squares, couplers, sliders and pallets?
Well, you may have a chance to see it all in Montreal.
We are in the process of arranging a tour of Casavant
Folks,
I think that volunteering for the nomcom is something that I should do
as a duty to an organization I feel part of, and an organization I
often ask for volunteers from myself.
Having serveed on one nomcom in the past, I know something about what
a complex (that's the best word I can fin
OK, Andy. Can we put you in charge of the IP v4/v6 transition, say
January 1, 2009?
:-)
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The Westin Vancouver is already "sold out" if you just try to book it
normally on the web or by phone, but mention IETF and it works.
The Minneapolis Hilton cannot be booked until 50 weeks (about a year)
prior to arrival, send yourself a reminder note in 9 months time :-)
The Mariott also looks
Just to add to Dave's comments: The information provided needs to be
based on "reality" rather than hyperbole. A bunch of us just returned
from Bali which according to the US State Department is a place you
should not even think about visiting, and required Senior VP approval
to go. Yet, I am su
Jordi,
Until Esperanto or some other language becomes the way we communicate,
let's stick with English. Like it or not, it is the common lingua
franca.
And, no, it's not my native language either, but somehow I survive as
an editor of it :)
Ole
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I realize that the IETF meeting attendee list is deliberately kept
"simplified" to avoid spamming and other mis-use. However, I think it
would be useful to at least include company/organization name (perhaps
even country) AND allow for sorting by any included field such as you
see here:
https
:
>
>
> --On Wednesday, March 28, 2007 01:50 -0700 Ole Jacobsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >...
> > Taking this one step further, perhaps we could get the
> > ICANNwiki folks to create a photo library to enable us to find
> > other attendees more
I was under the impression that the use of WSJ data was adopted
because it is easily verifiable and reproducable, after all there
exists a PRINTED copy of the newspaper for any given day. I am not
sure you could "reproduce" the national debt (for example) at a given
point in time if someone di
Is there a way we could have these things filtered at the source?
"Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:48:04 +0200
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Autoreply: Last Call: draft-hunt-avt-rtcpxnq (BT's eXtended
Network Quality RTP Control Protocol Extended
Reports (RTCP XR XNQ)) to Info
You said:
"...but surely it would be even better to pick a more reasonably
priced hotel?"
Maybe. If it also has conference facilities, or sits next door to such
(more or less). That's not likely to be easy to find.
Ole
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Cisc
I think this largely depends on what is defined as an "end-user". The
reason the ALAC is failure is that there is a complete mismatch
between the stuff ICANN does and what these "end users" THINK ICANN
does or should be doing.
The ALAC members are largely made up of "civil society" or "politi
It actually IS English, try installing, it localizes.
Ole
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On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, Marc Manthey wrote:
>
> O
Wikipedia says:
"Europe is one of the seven traditional continents of the Earth.
Physically and geologically, Europe is the westernmost peninsula of
Eurasia, west of Asia."
Certainly in BRITISH "traditional" usage, "The Continent" or sometimes
just "Europe" refers to mainland Europe and exc
Can we invite him to the IETF plenary in Vancouver?
It's wonderful, and I will clearly have to come up with some kind of
"organdemo +" event in the future that does include performances like
this one. Meanwhile, I did at least go to Haarlem to check out the
Muller organ for a possible future ev
Keep in mind that the locations are subject to change until a host has
been identified and the hotel contract signed. This means that you
could well see one of the OTHER meetings in 2009 take place in Europe.
"TBD" and "Provisional" really does mean what it says.
Ole
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And neither is the Marriott in Philadelphia.
Ole
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Dave Crocker wrote:
>
>
> Dave Croc
Umm, maybe someone needs to explain to you the existence of the
"bad-attitude" jabber room. Some of us are silently wondering if this
may be the one plenary where "Bar BOF" takes on a new meaning. Perhaps
we could have the proceedings projected on a giant sports-bar-like
screen and "jabber" away
On the other hand: If we simply closed our laptops for the duration of
the plenary and LISTENED to the speakers, perhaps even taking notes on
paper (I know, a radical idea), would this really be such a terrible
thing?
I've attended meetings where we had a "closed laptop" policy during
presentat
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007, David Kessens wrote:
> PS If there is a need for hammers in order to break fingers or to
>make ipv6 working, I suspect one can easily borrow one from the
>construction crews
> ---
OK, since we're so close to the holidays and so far off topic already:
Clearly you've n
Dave,
Not wishing to speak for Ray, let me give some general observations:
1. IETF meetings require BOTH a suitable venue (meeting rooms) AND a
host organization.
2. The host organization have a large say in location (city)
selection, for a number of reasons. We are going to Philadelphi
Dave,
(Reducing the CCs a bit)
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Dave Crocker wrote:
> Ole Jacobsen wrote:
> > Dave,
> >
> > Not wishing to speak for Ray, let me give some general observations:
> >
> > 1. IETF meetings require BOTH a suitable venue (meeting rooms
I can confirm that the confirmation letter from the hotel does not
reflect the terms stated by Ray, but this is presumably just a
limitation of their automated system. For example, the letter says:
"These rates are not available for groups or conferences," which
is exactly the opposite of what's
At first glance, the power plug used in Korea looks just like the one
used in most of Western Europe, known as the "Euro-plug". But the Korean
plug is actually subtly different. The pins are 4.8 mm in diameter vs
4.0 mm for the Euro plug.
Does it matter, and should you care if you are going to th
Yup. Got in and out without any mention of the word "visa", but I don't
have a US passport.
Ole
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On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Iljitsch
I think you also need to set preferences to include timezones (obviously)
and also you need to set when the day starts and ends. I have not figured
out what the right settings are yet. Tell us if you figure it out.
ole
Ole J. Jacobsen
Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal
Tel: +1
If you like comfort, contact the hotel and they will collect you in a
private car.
Price is KRW 130,000 :-)
Ole J. Jacobsen
Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal
Tel: +1 408-527-8972 GSM: +1 415-370-4628
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj
On Tue, 24 Fe
See my previous post on this topic.
Quick answer: Euro-style round-pin plugs
Long answer: The official Korean plug is 4.8 mm in diameter whereas the
Euro-plug is 4.0 mm. This means you *could* encounter some "loose
connections" unless you use the European *grounded* plug which *is* 4.8
mm also. A
The B1 floor ("food hall") of the Lotte Department Store is worth a visit
for the huge variety of food from local specialties, live fish and Mrs.
Fields cookies.
Ole
Ole J. Jacobsen
Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal
Tel: +1 408-527-8972 GSM: +1 415-370-4628
E-mail: [EMAIL P
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