It seems to me that there are two separate issues.
First, should this work be done within IETF, or would it be better done in
ITU (or ATIS, etc.)?
Second, if it is done within IETF, should it be done in IEPREP, or some
other working group?
In Sam's earlier emails, he seemed to be saying that
There has also been a change in the external factors affecting the urgency
of this work.
At one time the perspective (from at least some of us) has been "We know
we are going to need this stuff sometime in the future".
That perspective has changed to "There are deadlines in place. If we don
e also been informed (by Fred Baker and others) that
> several governments have talked with them about needing such
capabilities.
>
> Kimberly
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> To: Janet P Gunn; Robert G. Cole
> Cc: ietf@ietf.org; ieprep@ietf.org; King,
http://ftp3.itu.ch/sg13sdo/
demands a user ID and password to see the document
Janet
Scott W Brim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 11/07/2006 01:13:43 PM:
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> - Message from Georges Sebek (ITU-T SG 13) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on
> Tue, 07 Nov 2006 11:05:15 -0500 -
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> To:
>
> [EMAIL PROTE
But when I follow the link to the "attachment" it demands a user ID and
password.
Janet
Scott W Brim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 11/07/2006 02:58:07 PM:
> Excerpts from Pekka Savola on Tue, Nov 07, 2006 09:40:07PM +0200:
> >
> > Sigh. ftp3.itu.ch appears to be one of those sites where
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Brian E Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 11/14/2006 11:36:40 AM:
> ...
>
> This illustrates some of my concerns about this requirements work being
> done outside the IETF.
> ...
>
> 2. The notion that solutions such as precedence and preemption
> are (a) requirements and (b) applica
Yes, we absolutely must address them in the context of real-life
architecture deployment scenarios.
Janet
"Dolly, Martin C, ALABS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 11/16/2006 08:29:59 AM:
> Janet,
>
> I agree that the items you listed below are best analyzed/discussed in
> the IETF, for as l
"Brian Rosen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 11/29/2006 08:16:35 AM:
> > However, what this subthread demonstrates is
> > that they were conceptually an incremental change, not a giant,
> > discontinuous, intellectual leap.
> >
> > I thought we all knew that.
> Oh, I agree, we knew that. There ar
Brian E Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 12/01/2006 05:20:31 AM:
>
> Speaking only for myself: I'm now reasonably satisfied that if this work
> is to be done, it will be done better in the IETF than in the ITU.
> However, looking at the last draft of the charter that I've seen, I am
> co
Martin,
yes, I agree.
Janet
"Dolly, Martin C, ALABS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 12/01/2006 02:05:54 PM:
> Janet, See inline, Cheers, Martin
>
> Janet wrote:
> The mis-perception that the WG is focused on "precedence and preemption"
> is, unfortunately, reinforced by the list of milestones,
IIRC the hotel web site has a map. You could use that to find the names of
nearby streets.
Janet
Andy Bierman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 12/18/2006 01:37:43 PM:
> Hi,
>
> There is only one hotel listed for IETF 68:
>
> http://www3.ietf.org/meetings/68-hotels.html
>
> There are no more room
My guidebook says 6 months.
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For those of you with experience in Prague/Czech Republic-
How practical is it to rent a car?
There are a couple of places outside Prague I would like to visit on the
weekend (in particular the JAWA Motorcycle Museum of Konopiště, about 20
miles outside Prague), and I am considering renting a ca
to consider as well.
In the late 50s (Suez crisis) we lived in Canada, but crossed into the US
quite frequently. My father very often got "special attention" (as in
"Please park the car and come into the office") because his British
passport showed that he was born in Cairo
There was no place for comments on the "breakfast question".
I think an important criterion is not just whether the CONTRACTED HOTEL
provides breakfast, but whether, in addition, the OTHER HOTELS IN THE AREA
where IETF-ers are likely to stay, provide breakfast.
If we are in a city where MOST HOT
tinue to provide
(continental) breakfast if it is not included in the room rate at the
contract hotel.
Janet
Dave Crocker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 04/19/2007 07:25:33 AM:
>
>
> Janet P Gunn wrote:
> > But if it is ONLY the "contracted hotel" that provides breakfa
When I look at the "10 day forecast" for Chicago, 5 of the 10 days include
some form of "rain".
But they agree with you about the temperature.
Janet
Tim Chown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 07/16/2007 09:58:35 AM:
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 03:55:39PM -, John Levine wrote:
> >
> > ... walk f
+1
I had some initial difficulty with the tool's inability to properly
extract the "creation date", but eventually came up with a format it
accepted.
Overall, very slick.
Janet
"Eric Gray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 11/12/2007 11:32:33 AM:
> +1
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Eric Gray
> Principal E
A quick google search finds multiple restaurants in the villages of
Saggart (adjacent to the golf course) and Rathcoole (2k away)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/01/2008 08:43:12 AM:
>
>
> --On Friday, 01 February, 2008 11:57 +0100 Jeroen Massar
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> (e.g., if w
I am still not convinced that there is a shortage of other places for
lunch.
Citywest (that the hotel is part of)
http://www.citywest.ie/
is a large business campus (including some companies that will be familiar
to IETF participants)
In their list of amenities it says that there is "a choice o
Daytona Bike Week is March 8 - 17.
Janet
ietf-boun...@ietf.org wrote on 12/29/2012 10:18:31 AM:
> From: Dave Crocker
> To: IETF Discussion
> Date: 12/29/2012 10:18 AM
> Subject: travel guide for the next IETF...
> Sent by: ietf-boun...@ietf.org
>
>
> Going Beyond Disney in Orlando
>
We definitely had an acoustic coupler, with its own phone line, so my
father could work from home, in the mid and late 70s.
He worked for IBM Research. If there had been a more technically advanced
way of doing it, I am sure they would have used that.
There was not much "general intertia/unwi
Do none of you know what the phrase "a modest proposal" refers to?
Try googling it.
Janet
ietf-boun...@ietf.org wrote on 01/21/2013 11:57:22 PM:
> From: William Jordan
> To: ietf@ietf.org
> Date: 01/22/2013 12:01 AM
> Subject: A modest proposal
> Sent by: ietf-boun...@ietf.org
>
> I've recen
Considering how long and painful the "retrofit" (RFC 4412) for SIP was,
yes, I think it is important to plan for it early.
Janet
.
ietf-boun...@ietf.org wrote on 05/25/2013 03:10:07 AM:
> From: Jari Arkko
> To: James Polk
> Cc: "ietf@ietf.org list"
> Date: 05/25/2013 03:10 AM
> Subject: Web
In Vienna there were lots of semi-open-air restaurants along the Danube,
very close to the meeting site. I remember particularly good fried
sardines- something I rarely find in the US.
Janet
ietf-boun...@ietf.org wrote on 03/29/2010 06:05:47 AM:
> [image removed]
>
> Re: Advance travel info
Which hotel was it?
Two of the hotels (NH Maastricht and Crowne Plaza Maastricht) show two
sets of rates, a refundable rate and a non-refundable rate. It says that
if you choose the non-refundable rate your credit card will be charged
immediately.
Janet
ietf-boun...@ietf.org wrote on 05/
I, on the other hand, prefer the July/August date. My husband is a school
teacher, and I have the option of bringing him with me in July/August, but
not in June or September.
Janet
>
> Fred Baker
>
>
> in fairness, anyplace we don't yet have a contract is open to
> discussion. With care a
For various reasons, I have participated in the last 3 meetings
"remotely."
While I am very grateful for the technical tools (streaming audio, jabber
room, etc.) that make such "remote participation" possible, it is in no
way a substitute for the greater level of interaction I get when attendin
I think San Diego was worse than Dublin in that respect. At least in
Dublin there were free busses to the city center.
Janet
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So would it make sense to rent a CAR at BRU or AMS and DRIVE to
Maastricht?
I am actually quite pleased with the choice, as Maastricht is quite close
to Aachen, which is somewhere I have long intended to visit.
Janet
ietf-boun...@ietf.org wrote on 05/24/2009 10:31:55 PM:
> Ole Jacobsen wrote
My own anecdotes.
Yes, it starts early.
When I was 3 I announced that I was going to be a physicist when I grew
up. WHY?
1 - a physicist has a chair that is on WHEELS, and spins ROUND and ROUND
2 - a physicist has a blackboard with COLORED CHALK
3 (and MOST important) a physicist has a CANDY
This is VERY narrow minded, and, to be honest, somewhat insulting.
You suggest that "time at work" and "family" are the only important things
to women.
First off, "working too many hours", and "too much travel" are
considerably MORE onerous when you DON'T have a family to back you up -
especia
But that leaves out all of us that started off in a different (technical)
field (Math and OR in my case) and ended up here..
Janet
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Yoav Nir wrote on 05/01/2012 02:24:57 AM:
> From: Yoav Nir
> To: Janet P Gunn/USA/CSC@CSC
> Cc: Mary Barnes , "ietf-
> boun...@ietf.org" , IETF discussion list
>
> Date: 05/01/2012 02:26 AM
> Subject: Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech ind
I am another remote participant who would like to be able to subscribe to
the meeting-specific mailing list.
I can skip (myself) the ones about coffee and cookies, but definitely
want to read the ones about schedule changes, etc.
And even the other messages give me a taste of "what it would
es. EC-attendees, likely can claim the VAT paid anyway.
>
> --
> Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works
>
>
> [attachment "attpcwe7.dat" deleted by Janet P Gunn/USA/CSC]
As someone who has done it both ways (in person and remotely) I have a
couple of comments.
Having the slides available early is an advantage to BOTH in-person and
remote participants.
As a remote participant I "need" the slides available about 30 min before
the session.
As a participant (in-pe
> > On the other hand, I DO think that the number of remote participants
for a
> > particular session IS a useful parameter for "how important is it to
have an
> > active jabber scribe" and "how important is it to make sure the audio
> > streaming is working well."
>
> Agreed. Again, it streng
08/16/2013 09:10:54 AM:
> From: Hadriel Kaplan
>
...I want it from
> people who can't get approval for even a $100 expense, from people
> who are between jobs, people from academia, and even from just plain
> ordinary users rather than just vendors or big corps.
I agree.
The realities of in
I agree with Hadriel (probably because we attend a lot of the same WGs)
that remote participants are not actively ignored.
The problem is that, with the time lag, and the need to type in your
comments in quickly, then relay them through the jabber scribe
A- the discussion has often moved on bef
Janet
ietf-boun...@ietf.org wrote on 08/16/2013 09:50:58 AM:
> From: Janet P Gunn/USA/CSC@CSC
>
>
>
>
> I agree with Hadriel (probably because we attend a lot of the same
> WGs) that remote participants are not actively ignored.
>
> The problem is that,
I expect _I_ would pay $100 out of my own pocket, if it came to that.
But not all remote participants would be able to.
Janet
ietf-boun...@ietf.org wrote on 08/16/2013 10:56:27 AM:
> From: Keith Moore
>
>
> On 08/16/2013 09:38 AM, Janet P Gunn wrote:
> >
> ...I want it
> From: Abdussalam Baryun
> Date: 08/25/2013 08:40 AM
>
> ...
> The reward/motivation from IETF to participants is to
> acknowledge in writting their efforts, which I think still the IETF
> management still does not motivate/encourage.
I COMPLETELY disagree with this. The reward/motivation f
>
> > As my mother used to say "What you lose on the roundabouts
> > you gain on the swings"
>
> I had to go Google that. To save others the trouble: it seems to
> refer to rides at a carnival, and mean "whatever losses you suffer in
> one place, you usually make up elsewhere", implying that it
> From: "Randy Presuhn"
>
> I had to google it as well. The word "roundabout" (in the
> sense of "traffic circle") led me to mistakenly think it
> had something to do with navigating British streets, but
> this seems to be where the idiom comes from:
> http://www.oldpoetry.com/Patrick_R_Chalmer
ietf-boun...@ietf.org wrote on 09/08/2013 08:14:07 AM:
> From: Phillip Hallam-Baker
>
> Another worrying aspect of BULLRUN is that it is named after a
> victory for the confederate side in the US civil war.
But the battles are only called the (First or Second) Battle of Bull Run
by the NORTH
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