These items sound IMHO like important groundwork for that latter document.
By focusing on such things as these early, a WG avoids getting bogged down
in religious wars OR reinventing yet another wheel. Once these two
Informational RFCs are written, either this WG or another can always "do the
mat
Yes, my ISP is charging me for my DNS entry -- a static entry made once in a
zone file, but I'm paying monthly to have a domain name! Never mind that I
don't use their mail server or Web page service or DNS server
And yes, additional IP addresses were going to cost dramatically more. NAT
I think the below statement provides important perspective. NAT is not the
Antechrist, nor is it salvation. Much of the work on "improving" NAT seems
much like "improving" the Band-Aid so it will last for a year, although no
one wears one for more than a couple of days! When IPv6 is deployed an
es every problem, OR
that it should be re-engineered so that it does. -- Ian
-Original Message-
From: Perry E. Metzger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:54 PM
To: Ian King
Cc: 'Richard Shockey'; Keith Moore; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IP network
Can we take this off the IETF list? This sounds like a perfect argument for
the NAT list, rather than the general IETF list. This has been going on for
days, and this single subject keeps overflowing my inbox -- Ian
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From: Josh Duffek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
S
Will this never end...?
If you want to be able to control individual lightbulbs in your house, how
about an IP <-> X10 gateway? X10 (as an example, not because I have any
particular attachment to it) is a useful protocol for controlling devices
(usually with limited "intelligence") within a hom
from working hard to figure out how to represent ALL the languages
of humanity in digital form)
Please forgive my typing -- my daughter is keeping one arm busy.
-- Ian King, Speech Product Group, MICROSOFT CORPORATION
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From: Masataka Ohta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
S
e of them are, in the long run, not good ideas, although they
are useful as interim solutions. Some of them are just too violent to the
rules of the game as they are defined (by us!), and/or establish technical
or process precedents that are too dangerous to be allowed.
-- Ian King
-Origi
Maybe we need to help make it easy to GET assignments of blocks of addresses
for individuals/small businesses/etc. Part of the problem is the obvious:
IPv4 addresses are running short. Part is the "K-Mart" level of product
understanding I've experienced with many vendors of Internet connectivity
"Near-perfect example"? I beg to differ. I used to work for a Local
Exchange Carrier.
The telephone number situation in the United States has been one of
continual crisis for years, because of rapid growth in use (in part because
of Internet access!). The area served by a given "area code" w
Yes, we made a guess -- a design compromise. Folks, we're engineers, and we
come up with "good enough" answers. Sure, we try to make sure that the
"good enough" answers are good enough for the majority of situations, for a
reasonable length of time. But we're not prophets or philosophers or
pre
The goal of those who write viruses is to get attention, true? I guess they
figure that writing their viruses for Windows is going to get them a lot
more attention than writing for other operating systems with smaller user
bases. :-)
Tongue firmly in cheek -- Ian King
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DISCLAIMER
Maybe that's why the marketing guys don't laugh at some of our jokes -- by
the time we get to the punchline, they're planning a campaign to promote the
idea! :-)
- Ian King (who actually does respect our marketing folks. Really.)
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From: [EMAIL PRO
IMHO that's an excellent suggestion. It's been my experience that when you
state that the draft is itself an agenda item, previously resolved issues
often get rehashed, sometimes contrary to the clear consensus of the list.
This strategy would also allow less opportunity for those who haven't rea
It's not a question of whether Fleming's opinions were popular - it's just that they
were wildly irrelevant to the work of this list. Having read many of his postings, I
can only conclude that either (a) he was deliberately flame-baiting (and often
successfully) or (b) his clue meter for "play
Huh? I've been running PPTP over NAT for years - I'm doing it right
now. But it would be great if the ISPs began to migrate; tools (e.g.
tunneling) are available to allow them to do so even if their upstreams
lag.
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From: Rinka Singh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:
WONDERFUL idea. I get I-D announcements from the groups whose lists I
join. -- Ian
-Original Message-
From: Pete Resnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Splitting the IETF-Announce list?
I am interested in getting al
Folks,
This thread has been going on for days, and I've seen little but a
rehash of the "NATs are God's gift" vs. "NATs are the tool of Satan"
that's been going on forever. Now it's branched off into another thread
- almost a viral thing. If folks must continue these tired old
arguments, can t
Waitaminute, I thought NAT rants had been relegated to the authority of
one Dante Alighieri for proper assignment to a low, lonely circle of
hell -- Ian
-Original Message-
From: Eliot Lear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 3:47 PM
To: Randy Bush
Cc: [EMAIL PRO
WARNING! WARNING! Recurring mailthread alert!
This conversation seems to recur during or just after every meeting
-- Ian
-Original Message-
From: John Stracke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 9:33 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Blue Sheet Etique
Once upon a time, when I was a Working Group chair, I asked the
Secretariat for a copy of the blue sheet from my session; my goal was to
direct mail to persons who had been there, to discuss issues raised
there (in case they weren't subscribed to the list).
Granted, one of them took umbrage wit
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