Re: Last Call: (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

Hi Donald, At 21:09 27-05-2013, Donald Eastlake wrote: While the RFC should not be materially misleading, I don't think there is a requirement for Informational RFCs to guarantee any particular level or security or privacy. Yes. In my opinion a best effort is preferable or else the Security C

Re: Issues in wider geographic participation

Your experience and ideas on how to start-out are useful. On 27 May 2013 16:13, Yoav Nir wrote: > LCD? > > Anyway, What I found most useful when I was starting out 9 years ago, was > to look over the list of areas and working groups ( > http://tools.ietf.org/area/ ) and find out which of them ar

When to adopt a WG I-D

Hi, Dave Crocker and I have this little draft [1] discussing the process and considerations for creating formal working group drafts that are targeted for publication. We believe that this may help clarify some of the issues and concerns associated with this part of the process. We are targeti

Re: Issues in wider geographic participation

Sorry, I meant LCD. Nthabiseng Pule On 27 May 2013, at 5:48 PM, "John R Levine" wrote: > On Mon, 27 May 2013, Yoav Nir wrote: > >> LCD? > > LDC, Less Developed Country, what used to be called the third world, now that > the second has been bought by the first. > > Regards, > John Levin

Re: Last Call: (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

On 2013-05-28, at 3:38, SM wrote: > In theory the IETF does not publish RFCs to suit the regulations of one > country (see use-case in draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-04). In > practice, the IETF has published a RFC to suit the requirements (it was a > voluntary measure instead of a f

RE: When to adopt a WG I-D

Hi, Good work. Here are a few thoughts after a first reading. - We seem not to have a definition of what a WG I-D is, although we know how to recognize a WG I-D because of the naming convention. So, if I am not mistaken the phrase Working Group drafts are documents that are subject to IETF Wo

Re: When to adopt a WG I-D

Nicely written, largely stating what might be obvious for many, but still nice to see it in black and white. A few comments/suggestions: 1) Section 3. Authors/Editors I suggest that you suggest that WG (co)chair(s) add an editor that is unrelated to the dra

Re: Last Call: (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

--On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 15:42 +0900 Randy Bush wrote: >... >> While the RFC should not be materially misleading, I don't >> think there is a requirement for Informational RFCs to >> guarantee any particular level or security or privacy. > > that the draft now tries to slide by as info does

Re: Last Call: (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

> What is at issue, IMO, is whether the Internet is better off > having a couple of RRTYPEs around with no documentation or > having them documented. there are two solutions to this randy

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

Hi, Actually it's not industry that I hear complaining, but individuals. Eliot On 5/27/13 10:08 AM, Jari Arkko wrote: > Melinda wrote: >> The industry sector bias in IETF participation is >> possibly compounding the regional bias. > > Yes. > > Jari > > >

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

Riiight. That is why one never has to attend an IETF meeting in person to serve on NOMCOM, one does not need travel support from one's employer to be on the IESG, and why people who never come to IETF meetings are the rule and not the exception with respect to getting documents adopted and publi

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On May 28, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Eric Burger wrote: > Riiight. That is why one never has to attend an IETF meeting in person to > serve on NOMCOM, one does not need travel support from one's employer to be > on the IESG, and why people who never come to IETF meetings are the rule and > not the exce

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

Considering how long and painful the "retrofit" (RFC 4412) for SIP was, yes, I think it is important to plan for it early. Janet . ietf-boun...@ietf.org wrote on 05/25/2013 03:10:07 AM: > From: Jari Arkko > To: James Polk > Cc: "ietf@ietf.org list" > Date: 05/25/2013 03:10 AM > Subject: Web

[Isoc-br] IETF Meeting in South America

Dear IETF Managers, My name is Rogério Mariano and I`m a member of the Internet Society (Global Member # 339380) and a student of Internet Governance Programme (IGCBP) DiploFoundation and Consultant for the definition and operation of the Service Provider direction related to the technical archite

Re: Re: More participation from under-represented regions (was: IETF Meeting in South America)

I support to try the new meeting sites such as South America or Africa. Jiankang Yao From: Abdussalam Baryun Date: 2013-05-27 07:38 To: SM CC: ietf; dcrocker Subject: Re: More participation from under-represented regions (was: IETF Meeting in South America) I support to add the new region, h

Re: [manet] Last Call: (Security Threats for NHDP) to Informational RFC

Hi, I think those comments have been addressed/answered in my previous reply http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/manet/current/msg15274.html I didn't see the support of your comments from other WG participants. best Jiazi 2013/5/27 Abdussalam Baryun > Reply to your request dated 24/05/2

Re: Participation per Region of Authoring IETF documents vs Marketing

Rather than saying "someone should do this" on the list, you could, you know, do the work. A -- Andrew Sullivan Please excuse my clumbsy thums. On 2013-05-27, at 9:31, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: > On 5/27/13, Eggert, Lars wrote: >> On May 27, 2013, at 12:10, Abdussalam Baryun >> wrote: >>

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

> > The IETF has a big problem, IMHO, in that effective participation really does > currently seem to require meeting attendance. There's a reason > that nomcom members have to show up—if they didn't, they wouldn't be part of > the actual culture of IETF, because so much IETF culture is > bound

Re: When to adopt a WG I-D

On 2013-05-28 13:09, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: Hi, Good work. Here are a few thoughts after a first reading. - We seem not to have a definition of what a WG I-D is, although we know how to recognize a WG I-D because of the naming > convention. So, if I am not mistaken the phrase Working

Re: When to adopt a WG I-D

It is difficult to read, because I am expecting a process and find something else, I started to read, but got confused (stoped reading), why you are titling it as creating WG-draft and mentioning the adoption into the document. I understand that the creating first is *individual-draft* not *WG-dra

Re: When to adopt a WG I-D

On 28/05/2013 15:36, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: It is difficult to read, because I am expecting a process and find something else, I started to read, but got confused (stoped reading), why you are titling it as creating WG-draft and mentioning the adoption into the document. I understand that the

Re: When to adopt a WG I-D

Adrian, I'm fine with this draft as long as it stays informational and is viewed as a commentary on how what we are doing in the border land between individual and formal working group documents, i.e. this is not an IETF process text. Names of ID file are a bit trickier than what I get from thi

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

On 05/27/2013 07:31 AM, Juliao Braga wrote: > According to the news published for a long time in Brazilian newspapers > and magazines, Buenos Aires (a wonderful place!) would not be > recommended. Recommended for what? And on what basis? Cheers, -- Fernando Gont e-mail: ferna...@gont.com.ar || f

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Jorge, On 05/27/2013 08:16 AM, Jorge Amodio wrote: > > I feel that is totally OT but for example we have supporters of the > current government like this one, claiming to be a writer, that if you > are able to read in Spanish or helped by a translator to read his > article, you will learn that he

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Hi, Tim, On 05/27/2013 09:19 AM, Tim Chown wrote: >>> The move appears to be related to new, restrictive >>> regulations the Argentine government has imposed on currency exchanges.' >>> According to the Telegraph, 'The new regulations required anyone wanting >>> to change Argentine pesos into anot

Re: Last Call: (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

--On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 20:58 +0900 Randy Bush wrote: >> What is at issue, IMO, is whether the Internet is better off >> having a couple of RRTYPEs around with no documentation or >> having them documented. > > there are two solutions to this Probably more than two if your comment indicate

Re: Last Call: (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

>>> What is at issue, IMO, is whether the Internet is better off >>> having a couple of RRTYPEs around with no documentation or >>> having them documented. >> >> there are two solutions to this > > Probably more than two if your comment indicates that you agree > that having registered RRTYPEs do

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Hi Fernando, Please, read my sentence complementary to comment: "...But who should tell us about the true cenary would be our Argentine friends." Regards, Julião Em 28/05/2013 10:36, Fernando Gont escreveu: > On 05/27/2013 07:31 AM, Juliao Braga wrote: >> According to the news published for a l

Re: When to adopt a WG I-D

On 5/28/2013 10:52 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > ... The only > requirement is that the chairs conclude that the existence such a draft > has WG consensus. > ... Strictly speaking, I believe the only requirement for a document to be published as a WG document is that a WG chair approves it. I do

Re: When to adopt a WG I-D

In reading through the draft, particularly the section on questions for WG adoption of a draft, I did not see the questions I consider most pertinent: Does the WG think this is a reasonable (preferably good) basis for starting to work collectively on the deliverable? (Apologies if it was there

Re: When to adopt a WG I-D

there is also the not uncommon event where an idea starts as an individual idea, moves into a WG, is rejected by the WG, becomes an individual idea, is picked up by another WG, rejected, (lather, rinse, repeat), and then the -right- WG is formed and it is processed that way. In the current stat

Re: Last Call: (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

On 5/28/13 8:18 AM, Randy Bush wrote: What is at issue, IMO, is whether the Internet is better off having a couple of RRTYPEs around with no documentation or having them documented. there are two solutions to this Probably more than two if your comment indicates that you agree that having regis

Re: Last Call: (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:18:40AM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: > remove the rrtypes from the registry While it's good to see that the Internet Exemplary Taste-enForcers are alive and well, I would have an extremely strong objection to that approach. The DNS Extensions Working Group published an IAN

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Jari Arkko wrote: > James: > > > did you know that you have a audio/video realtime interactive > communications WG churning out proposals and solutions that is *actively* > ignoring "emergency communications" in its entirety? No? Look at RTCweb, > which will beco

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On 5/28/13 6:20 AM, Christian O'Flaherty wrote: > Probably, this lack of social interaction in our region is one of > the main reasons for low participation. Most of latin american > IETFers are currently living outside the region and they engaged in > the IETF when living in the US or Europe. It's

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On 5/23/13 8:02 PM, David Conrad wrote: On May 23, 2013, at 7:44 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: So the question is why we aren't seeing more drafts, reviews, and discussions from people in Central and South America, Language? It would seem likely when the participation is heaviliy biased towards eq

Re: Last Call: (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

Hi Joe, At 03:12 28-05-2013, Joe Abley wrote: Note that there's no suggestion that these RRTypes are required by the CRTC. The example given was for a situation where Interop would have been beneficial (so that cable resellers have an obvious, stable and supported way of encoding this kind of inf

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Julio, I'm worried about people making statements on a random basis. I assume that many people (IAOC and many others) have made a lot of effort before getting to the point of formally proposing/suggesting to have an IETF meeting in Buenos Aires. I bet much of that effort had to do with making an

Re: Last Call: (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

On 5/28/13 9:41 AM, SM wrote: Hi Joe, At 03:12 28-05-2013, Joe Abley wrote: Note that there's no suggestion that these RRTypes are required by the CRTC. The example given was for a situation where Interop would have been beneficial (so that cable resellers have an obvious, stable and supported w

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

The bad things that happen in Argentina financially affect only Argentinians. I'm not saying this is a good thing overall, just saying that this isn't a problem for tourists and certainly won't be a problem for IETFers. Probably these financial 'issues' will even affect positively the conference's

Re: When to adopt a WG I-D

On 5/28/2013 10:22 AM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: In reading through the draft, particularly the section on questions for WG adoption of a draft, I did not see the questions I consider most pertinent: I appreciate Dave and Adrian for producing this helpful start, and I'm mostly comfortable with wh

Re: Participation per Region of Authoring IETF documents vs Marketing

by looking into the statistics of I-Ds and RFCs, it is strange that we get sometimes high rate in the I-D going in IETF from some regions but the success rate of I-Ds to become RFCs is very low (5- 50). So the only region that is producing RFCs with high rate (about 200 per year) is North America e

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

At 11:58 AM 5/28/2013, Ted Hardie wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Jari Arkko <jari.ar...@piuha.net> wrote: James: > did you know that you have a audio/video realtime interactive communications WG churning out proposals and solutions that is *actively* ign

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Dear Fernando, If I have to decide about a meeting in Buenos Aires based in the information that I read in the Brazilian newspapers and magazines I decide to no. By this reason I need to listen from Argentine people, as you. I believe this is the right way to decide. The choice of Buenos Aires is

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

I would suggest we not try to sort out on this list which sorts of Internet services are subject to American regulations. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 2:20 PM, James Polk wrote: > At 11:58 AM 5/28/2013, Ted Hardie wrote: > > On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Jari Arkko <> jari.ar...@piuha.net>**jar

Re: [Isoc-br] IETF Meeting in South America

Dear Rogério Mariano, You have a great deal of experience. Since the mission of the IETF is to make the Internet better, could you point out specific problems that you would like to work on in the IETF? When you say "infrastructure and standardization", that is very general. If there were an IE

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

On May 28, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Richard Barnes wrote: > I would suggest we not try to sort out on this list which sorts of Internet > services are subject to American regulations. Or those of any other jurisdiction. If jurisdiction Z comes to the IETF and says "we have declared protocol A to be

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: > On 5/28/13 6:20 AM, Christian O'Flaherty wrote: >> Probably, this lack of social interaction in our region is one of >> the main reasons for low participation. Most of latin american >> IETFers are currently living outside the region and they

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

> It would seem likely when the participation is heaviliy biased towards > equipment vendors and software tooling that the participants would be more > representative of where the concentration of the development sideo of that > work occurs. This is true, but this is also something where active pa

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:20 AM, James Polk wrote: > Quoting Henning: > "At least in the US, many of the WebRTC services would be considered > "interconnected VoIP", so they are indeed subject to 911 obligations." > > James > > BTW- yeah, I know I'm picking a fight - but Jari singled this topic

Re: When to adopt a WG I-D

On 28/05/2013 21:32, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi, > > Dave Crocker and I have this little draft [1] discussing the process and > considerations for creating formal working group drafts that are targeted for > publication. > > We believe that this may help clarify some of the issues and concerns

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Julio, On 05/28/2013 08:20 PM, Juliao Braga wrote: > > If I have to decide about a meeting in Buenos Aires based in the > information that I read in the Brazilian newspapers and magazines I > decide to no. Could you please provide pointers to such articles? Additionally, could you please summar

Re: When to adopt a WG I-D

Hi, I have never been a wg chair but I think that this document may be very useful and helpful (at least it clarifies many things to me). I have some comments: - To me Section 2.1 (Formal Steps) looks better after 2.2 (Criteria of Adoption). - Section 2.2 does not set up a crite

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Fernando, Please, read the Brazilian newspapers and magazines. I'm not looking for news from Argentina. I see them and / or read just the same way that I see or read others news, always "an passant". This type of issue is not exactly my specialty or interest. But you can see a handful of recents

RE: IETF Meeting in South America

> Any sense of why that didn't happen with Australians after > the Adelaide meeting? The centres for networking industry in Australia are Melbourne and Sydney, in that order. It's a bit like IETF 51 being held in Grimsby, not London or Cambridge. Lloyd Wood http://sat-net.com/L.Wood

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Juliao, I went to all this sites (besides BBC Brazil) and searched for Argentina. There were some news about economy, the lady President, some about the senate, commercial balance but none saying "huu, scary Argentina, do not go there". Regards, as On 5/28/13 7:13 PM, Juliao Braga wrote

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On 5/28/13 11:56 AM, Christian O'Flaherty wrote: It would seem likely when the participation is heaviliy biased towards equipment vendors and software tooling that the participants would be more representative of where the concentration of the development sideo of that work occurs. This is true,

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Arturo, Who said "...huu, scary Argentina, do not go there"? Where? In this list? Em 28/05/2013 20:09, Arturo Servin escreveu: > Juliao, > > I went to all this sites (besides BBC Brazil) and searched for > Argentina. There were some news about economy, the lady President, some > about the

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

"not be recommended" sounds to me it sounded like "huu, scary, do not go there". /as On 5/27/13 2:31 AM, Juliao Braga wrote:> According to the news >published for a long time in Brazilian newspapers > and magazines, Buenos Aires (a wonderful place!) would not be > recommended. B

Re: Last Call: (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

>> remove the rrtypes from the registry > While it's good to see that the Internet Exemplary Taste-enForcers are > alive and well, I would have an extremely strong objection to that > approach. jck was trying to enumerate alternatives. he omitted one. i am not a particular advocate of any of the

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Arturo, I'm sorry that you interpret this way. But absolutely, I do not mean to offend. Only expressed a point of view and said that our Argentine friends could clarify. You can not trust the press, totally. Anyway, I apologize if there was offense. Best Regards, Juliao Em 28/05/2013 20:36, Ar

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Not taken. It was estrange to me that it were many news about how bad Argentina is in the Brazilian press. I read frequently BBC-Brazil and other newspapers of latin america and I haven't read such things, that is why. /as On 5/28/13 8:45 PM, Juliao Braga wrote: > Arturo, > > I

Re: More participation from under-represented regions

Hi Edwin, On 5/26/13, Edwin A. Opare wrote: {...} > > To elicit participation from the under-represented regions, the > universities are a sure starting point, then a lot more industry-focused > awareness creation by the ISOC local Chapters. I fully agree with you that universities might be a

Re: More participation from under-represented regions

Just one, Alejandro, here in Brazil: Next July, 23-26 in Maceio, Brazil will be held the 13o. CSBC (the main annual meeting of SBC - Brazilian Computer Society. A big meeting!). I sent an e-mail to coordinators, requesting a BoF to talk about the IETF and ISOC Fellowships. If they approve a spac

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On 5/28/13 3:06 PM, l.w...@surrey.ac.uk wrote: > The centres for networking industry in Australia are Melbourne and Sydney, in > that order. > It's a bit like IETF 51 being held in Grimsby, not London or Cambridge. Okay. So, should we be extrapolating from this to what we can expect from Brazil

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

Perhaps not. Buenos Aires is also a big hub of technology in Latin America. In addition as it was mentioned it relatively close from Sao Paulo, Montevideo and Santiago. Also there are direct flights from other major cities in Peru and Colombia. Going to Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Me

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

I think we can expect a lot of Brazilians people in Buenos Aires. Juliao Em 28/05/2013 23:09, Melinda Shore escreveu: > Okay. So, should we be extrapolating from this to what > we can expect from Brazilians if we meet in Buenos > Aires?

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On 5/28/13 6:27 PM, Arturo Servin wrote: > Going to Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Mexico City or Santiago will always > split audiences as these are the major tech hubs in the region (also add > Bogota, Lima, San Jose and other cities). So, I think it is not > comparable with Australia. I actuall

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

In message <51a4e625.3020...@gmail.com>, Melinda Shore writes: > On 5/28/13 6:20 AM, Christian O'Flaherty wrote: > > Probably, this lack of social interaction in our region is one of > > the main reasons for low participation. Most of latin american > > IETFers are currently living outside the reg

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On 5/28/13 11:47 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: > On 5/28/13 6:27 PM, Arturo Servin wrote: >> Going to Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Mexico City or Santiago will always >> split audiences as these are the major tech hubs in the region (also add >> Bogota, Lima, San Jose and other cities). So, I think i

RE: IETF Meeting in South America

Melinda, can you confine yourself to disagreeing with something I actually said? Thanks so much! Lloyd Wood http://sat-net.com/L.Wood/ From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Shore [melinda.sh...@gmail.com] Sent: 29 May

IETF Meeting in South America

Hello, I agree with the Idea of a IETF meeting in South America. I think it is a way to let the people know about IETF (of course there are other ways, but this is a good one), to give the possibility to students/engineers with very good skills to get into the IETF, thinking that it is going to b

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Hello, > I'd also say that I've never heard anyone making that sort of statement. > For instance, the argentinan government itself has a program to increase > Internet connectivity throughout the country -- > That is the web page of the program that Fernando mentions, http://www.conectariguald

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

I went to Adelaide. it was my first IETF. I am now an IETF regular-irregular, of 10+ years standing. So, proof by example, it increased Australian participation by at least 1. In fact, I think by scale, Australians punch above their weight. Especially if you include americans who live in Australia

RE: IETF Meeting in South America

Hi, How about in the Philippines? I can show my homeland... I can help facilitate the event, why don't you give it a try! Regards Medel From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of I rob Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:17 PM To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: IETF Mee

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

Just wondering if some folks realize that IETF meetings are not missionary trips, conferences, conventions or industry trade shows ... -Jorge

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On May 29, 2013, at 5:09 AM, Melinda Shore wrote: > On 5/28/13 3:06 PM, l.w...@surrey.ac.uk wrote: >> The centres for networking industry in Australia are Melbourne and Sydney, >> in that order. >> It's a bit like IETF 51 being held in Grimsby, not London or Cambridge. > > Okay. So, should w

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

ICANN 48 is to be held in Buenos Aires, Argentina, 17-21 November 2013, and I am looking forward to it! Patrik On 29 maj 2013, at 04:27, Arturo Servin wrote: > Perhaps not. Buenos Aires is also a big hub of technology in Latin > America. In addition as it was mentioned it relatively c