Re: Transport Area Director Position: Statement by the Nomcom Chair

One thing, I think, needs to be said, given some of the critical language that has been used: I, and I hope the whole community, really should be grateful to the NomCom for its work and dedication, regardless of the current problem. Regards Brian Carpenter

Re: IPR view (Re: Internet Draft Final Submission Cut-Off Today )

I do but don't care. With my IETF hat on, the whole point of the cut-off is to enforce a physical barrier to ensure we do not ever hear, "I posted this draft yesterday, let's talk about it" in a work group. With my legal services hat on, with the US joining the rest of the world with first-to-fi

Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director

On 03/08/2013 01:44 PM, Sam Hartman wrote: Can you point out what is unclear? margaret asked Russ whether we were talking about the future of the area or n whether we were talking about requirements/expertise nomcom should use for this year. After reading your message I still don't understan

Re: IPR view (Re: Internet Draft Final Submission Cut-Off Today )

On 3/10/2013 8:27 AM, Eric Burger wrote: I do but don't care. With my IETF hat on, the whole point of the cut-off is to enforce a physical barrier to ensure we do not ever hear, "I posted this draft yesterday, let's talk about it" in a work group. With my legal services hat on, with the US jo

Re: IPR view (Re: Internet Draft Final Submission Cut-Off Today )

On 10 Mar 2013, at 8:46, Dave Crocker wrote: > > On 3/10/2013 8:27 AM, Eric Burger wrote: >> I do but don't care. With my IETF hat on, the whole point of the cut-off is >> to enforce a physical barrier to ensure we do not ever hear, "I posted this >> draft yesterday, let's talk about it" in a

Re: IPR view (Re: Internet Draft Final Submission Cut-Off Today )

On 10 Mar 2013, at 8:46, Dave Crocker wrote: > > On 3/10/2013 8:27 AM, Eric Burger wrote: >> I do but don't care. With my IETF hat on, the whole point of the cut-off is >> to enforce a physical barrier to ensure we do not ever hear, "I posted this >> draft yesterday, let's talk about it" in a

Re: IPR view (Re: Internet Draft Final Submission Cut-Off Today )

On 03/10/13 09:12, Brian Trammell allegedly wrote: >> Solve it with better management, not artificial barriers that are >> imposed on everyone and that can be trivially routed around, albeit >> without the benefits of using the I-D mechanism. > This seems like something that could be left to the d

Re: IPR view (Re: Internet Draft Final Submission Cut-Off Today )

> From: Eric Burger > With my legal services hat on, with the US joining the rest of the > world with first-to-file, those few weeks of publication could mean the > difference between a free and open standard and a NPE swooping in and > attempting to tax the industry. If that

Re: IPR view (Re: Internet Draft Final Submission Cut-Off Today )

On 10/03/2013 14:35, Scott Brim wrote: > On 03/10/13 09:12, Brian Trammell allegedly wrote: >>> Solve it with better management, not artificial barriers that are >>> imposed on everyone and that can be trivially routed around, albeit >>> without the benefits of using the I-D mechanism. > >> This s

Re: IPR view (Re: Internet Draft Final Submission Cut-Off Today )

On 03/10/13 11:15, Brian E Carpenter allegedly wrote: > Please don't. Currently we receive a flood of a few hundred drafts two > weeks before each meeting, which gives time for some triage. I do not > wish to receive a few hundred drafts on the first day of the meeting, > with no time for triage, b

Re: IPR view (Re: Internet Draft Final Submission Cut-Off Today )

On Mar 10, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 10/03/2013 14:35, Scott Brim wrote: >> On 03/10/13 09:12, Brian Trammell allegedly wrote: Solve it with better management, not artificial barriers that are imposed on everyone and that can be trivially routed around, albeit >

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

> "IETF" == IETF Diversity writes: IETF> The letter below was sent to the IESG, the IAB, the IAOC and IETF> the ISOC Board this morning, in an attempt to open a IETF> discussion of how to increase the diversity of the IETF IETF> Leadership. We are sharing the letter here to e

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

Thanks for raising this. I believe an IETF with more diverse participation and leadership would be a stronger IETF. When we have more diverse experiences and viewpoints, our results will be better and more generally applicable. Participants from different places, cultures, men, women, and peopl

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

On Mar 10, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Jari Arkko wrote: > Finally, I think we need to take diversity in the broadest sense. It should > include at least the following aspects: gender, geographical location, > culture, age, and type of background or business where you work in. For > instance, I think t

Re: Time zones in IETF agenda

Heh. NZDT is UTC+13... Having just moved to Australia from New Zealand... NZ has better airline connections, especially for flying eastward across the Pacific. As for being far away... well, you get used to that. My personal definition of 'long flight' starts at 9 hours... 'short flight' would

Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-05

Hi Peter, Thanks a lot for your review. I will ask the authors to address your comments in the next version of the draft. Regards Suresh On 03/09/2013 03:13 AM, Peter Yee wrote: > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on > Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at >

Re: Orlando time for human language draft discussion

Confirmed? Venue? On Mar 9, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > I replied, sorry about the delay. It looks like Thursday lunch would > work well. > > On 3/5/13 4:47 AM, Randall Gellens wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I created a Doodle poll to see if we can find a time in Orlando to meet >>

Re: Orlando time for human language draft discussion

Thursday lunch (11:30-1:00) it is. I'll make a reservation at The Tropicale (the cafe in the Caribe Royal hotel attached to the convention center). Everyone: please let me know if you can make it so I can make sure we have the right size table. At 8:45 AM -0400 3/10/13, Eric Burger wrote:

Re: Update on Orlando time for human language draft discussion

Hi Everyone, Thursday lunch (11:30-1:00) it is. I'll make a reservation at The Tropicale (the cafe in the Caribe Royal hotel attached to the convention center). Please let me know if you can make it so I can make sure we have a large enough table. Thank you. Hi everyone, It looks lik

Re: [MMUSIC] Update on Orlando time for human language draft discussion

Sorry for barging in late on this thread, but quick questions: - what's the right mailing list to post to on this one? - have everyone read RFC 3282 (the standalone "accept-language" spec)? Seems to me the desired semantic is more accept-language than content-language. On 03/10/2013 03:38 PM

Re: [IETF] Re: Welcome to IETF-86!

On Sat, 9 Mar 2013, Warren Kumari wrote: Is someone going to update the IETFers iphone app? It still does not have the sculed in it :/ I have no idea, but this reminds me…. A huge, heartfelt thanks to whoever wrote it -- it makes life much much easier… The IETF86 schedule updates when you i

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

On 3/10/2013 5:22 AM, IETF Diversity wrote: I'm listed as a signatory and agree that this is important. > There are several steps that could be taken, in the short-term within > our existing BCPs, to address this problem: > > - Each of the confirming bodies (the ISOC Board for the IAB, the

IAOC Overview remote participation

Dear all, a virtual room has been reserved on the Meetecho system for the IETF Administrative Oversight Committee session. Access to the on-line session (including audio and video streams) will be available (just a couple of minutes before session start time) at: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf86/i

Re: [IETF] Re: Welcome to IETF-86!

The IETF 86 agenda was loaded last week, however you do need to update the app in order to see the current meeting. Alexa On Mar 9, 2013, at 8:16 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: > > On Mar 8, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > >> On Fri, 8 Mar 2013, Jari Arkko wrote: >> >>> The IETF meeting i

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

> - Each of the confirming bodies (the ISOC Board for the IAB, the > IAB for the IESG, and the IESG for the IAOC) could make a > public statement at the beginning of each year's nominations > process that they will not confirm a slate unless it > contributes to increased

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

One aspect of IETF leadership diversity that seems to have considerably decreased over the years that I've been working with IETF is the number of people from academic/research relative to the number of people from the commercial sector. I believe that this has been extremely harmful to IETF.

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

On 03/10/13 15:43, John Levine allegedly wrote: >> - Each of the confirming bodies (the ISOC Board for the IAB, the >> IAB for the IESG, and the IESG for the IAOC) could make a >> public statement at the beginning of each year's nominations >> process that they will not confir

documenting feedback of meeting venues

To: Bob Hinden, (presented at IAOC overview) My question to Bob; why not document the feedback (of meeting venues) of community of past for the future? I recommend to change the IAOC procedure, to allow documentation? AB

IAOC OVERVIEW session recording available

Dear all, the full recording (synchronized video, audio, slides and jabber room) of the IAOC OVERVIEW WG session at IETF 86 is available at the following URL: http://ietf86.conf.meetecho.com/index.php/Recorded_Sessions#IETF86_IAOC_OVERVIEW In case of problems with the playout, just drop an e-mai

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

On 3/10/2013 2:50 PM, Scott Brim wrote: On 03/10/13 15:43, John Levine allegedly wrote: - Each of the confirming bodies (the ISOC Board for the IAB, the IAB for the IESG, and the IESG for the IAOC) could make a public statement at the beginning of each year's nominations

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

On Mar 10, 2013 2:05 PM, "Spencer Dawkins" wrote: > > On 3/10/2013 2:50 PM, Scott Brim wrote: >> >> On 03/10/13 15:43, John Levine allegedly wrote: - Each of the confirming bodies (the ISOC Board for the IAB, the IAB for the IESG, and the IESG for the IAOC) could make a

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

On 3/10/2013 1:04 PM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: >> +1. We do not want to manage by ideology - consider how well that >> serves political parties. > Right. Well, I don't know. To be honest "The I* should contain more than one sort of human" doesn't sound *that* ideological to me. We've certainly go

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

At 6:22 AM -0400 3/10/13, IETF Diversity wrote: For example, ten years ago, in February of 2003, there were 25 members of the IETF leadership (12 IAB members and 13 IESG members). Of those 25 members, there was one member of non-European descent, there was one member from a country outside

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

On 03/10/13 18:45, Melinda Shore allegedly wrote: > On 3/10/2013 1:04 PM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: >>> +1. We do not want to manage by ideology - consider how well that >>> serves political parties. >> Right. > > Well, I don't know. To be honest "The I* should > contain more than one sort of human

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

I am glad to see the IETF beginning to have this conversation about diversity. I am concerned that, as an organization, we avoid becoming locked into entrenched, polarizing positions, though. Some of us will take the view that qualified people may not be taking on, or may not be selected to fil

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

For what it's worth, On 3/10/2013 5:45 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: On 3/10/2013 1:04 PM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: +1. We do not want to manage by ideology - consider how well that serves political parties. Right. My "right" here was in the context of the snipped line above "+1", which was "Th

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

At 2:45 PM -0800 3/10/13, Melinda Shore wrote: And I'll go on record requesting that folks think pretty carefully before saying that including something other than white western guys means lowering standards. I don't think anyone has suggested that. Rather, the concern regards how we get

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

On 3/10/2013 5:32 PM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > "That sounds a lot like quotas. Let's not go there." Right, I'm just not sure how we got to quotas and whatnot. We can have diversity metrics and measure whether or not we're doing better or worse, or hitting those metrics, without instituting "quot

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

Hi Jari, At 09:52 AM 3/10/2013, Jari Arkko wrote: I believe an IETF with more diverse participation and leadership would be a stronger IETF. When we have more diverse experiences and viewpoints, our results will be better and more generally applicable. Participants from different places, cultur

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

On 3/10/2013 9:08 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: Do you feel that what's described in the letter is an accurate and complete description of the/a problem? Well, sure. I signed it, right? :D I have some heartburn about the paragraph on the confirming bodies in the short-term, within-BCPs section, bu

Re: [IETF] Re: Welcome to IETF-86!

On Mar 10, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Alexa Morris wrote: > The IETF 86 agenda was loaded last week, however you do need to update the > app in order to see the current meeting. And you need to tell it that you are interested in the current meeting -- click "Meetings" in the bottom right, and then mak