RE: RFC 6234 code

2013-07-01 Thread Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
rom: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Joe Abley Sent: 28 June 2013 21:41 To: Paul Hoffman Cc: John C Klensin; RFC Interest; ietf@ietf.org list Subject: Re: RFC 6234 code --! WARNING ! -- This message originates from ou

Re: RFC 6234 code

2013-07-01 Thread Tony Finch
Riccardo Bernardini wrote: > > This came to my mind while reading: why not embedding the archive in > the text with some special "line header" that makes automatic > extraction possible? Like RCF 6716. Tony. -- f.anthony.n.finchhttp://dotat.at/ Forties, Cromarty: East, veering southeast, 4

Re: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-29 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, June 28, 2013 16:41 -0400 Joe Abley wrote: >> If you really think you see a legal difference in doing the >> second, fine; I propose that you are just searching for >> problems that do not exist. > > Quite possibly they don't, and I'm not presuming to talk for > John. But the vagu

Re: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-28 Thread Martin Rex
Martin Rex wrote: > Dearlove, Christopher (UK) wrote: > > > > I'd actually tried the authors, but no reply yet (only a few days). > > I also tried the RFC Editor thinking they might have e.g. XML > > from which extraction might have been easier, but also no response yet. > > Extracting code from t

Re: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-28 Thread Martin Rex
Dearlove, Christopher (UK) wrote: > > I'd actually tried the authors, but no reply yet (only a few days). > I also tried the RFC Editor thinking they might have e.g. XML > from which extraction might have been easier, but also no response yet. Extracting code from text is pretty trivial. Use copy

Re: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-28 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-06-28, at 15:19, Paul Hoffman wrote: > The RFC Editor is publishing code in a text file that is formatted like an > RFC. The proposal is for the RFC Editor to publish *the exact same code* in a > file without the RFC wrapping. > > If you really think you see a legal difference in doin

Re: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-28 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Jun 28, 2013, at 12:10 PM, John C Klensin wrote: > Folks, IANAL, but please be _very_ careful about the comment Joe > made about the potential difference between publishing a paper > or article that contains code and exporting the code itself or > making it generally available for export. I

Re: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-28 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, June 28, 2013 10:11 -0400 Tony Hansen wrote: >> I also tried the RFC Editor thinking they might have e.g. XML >> from which extraction might have been easier, but also no >> response yet. And I had found several libraries, but not the >> RFC code. ... But the broader point is that

Re: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-28 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Jun 28, 2013, at 1:57 AM, "Eggert, Lars" wrote: > some WGs are good at this. RFC5662 for example includes the shell commands to > extract the sources it contains. Earlier example: RFC 4134. > It would certainly be nice if other WGs did this, too, but I'm not sure we > need to make it a re

Re: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-28 Thread Riccardo Bernardini
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Tony Hansen wrote: > On 6/28/2013 4:53 AM, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) wrote: >> I'd actually tried the authors, but no reply yet (only a few days). >> >> For me, a thanks to Tony Hansen, who did the extraction for me. (That makes >> me feel a little guilty, w

Re: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-28 Thread Tony Hansen
On 6/28/2013 4:53 AM, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) wrote: > I'd actually tried the authors, but no reply yet (only a few days). > > For me, a thanks to Tony Hansen, who did the extraction for me. (That makes > me feel a little guilty, why should he do my work I could have done?) But the > poin

RE: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-28 Thread Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
4 6YU, UK Registered in England & Wales No: 1996687 -Original Message- From: Joe Abley [mailto:jab...@hopcount.ca] Sent: 27 June 2013 18:22 To: Dearlove, Christopher (UK) Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: RFC 6234 code --! WARNING ! -- This message

Re: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-28 Thread Eggert, Lars
Hi, On Jun 28, 2013, at 10:53, "Dearlove, Christopher (UK)" wrote: > But the broader point is that if it's worth the IETF publishing the code as > an RFC, it's worth making the code available straightforwardly. some WGs are good at this. RFC5662 for example includes the shell commands to ext

RE: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-28 Thread Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
l Message- From: Hector Santos [mailto:hsan...@isdg.net] Sent: 27 June 2013 20:38 To: Dearlove, Christopher (UK) Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: RFC 6234 code --! WARNING ! -- This message originates from outside our organisation, either from an external

Re: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-27 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-06-27, at 15:38, Hector Santos wrote: > Ok, other than time, it should be easy to extract, clean up and cross your > fingers that it compiles with your favorite C compiler. Having just done it, I'm happy to report that there was little finger-crossing involved. The fact that there's a

Re: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-27 Thread Hector Santos
Ok, other than time, it should be easy to extract, clean up and cross your fingers that it compiles with your favorite C compiler. But I would write to the authors to get the original source. Or google: C source crypto libraries API hashing functions among the first hit: http://www.crypt

Re: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-27 Thread Joe Abley
Oh, I missed the first "date" line in my paste, which makes the second one a bit mysterious. Here it is :-) [krill:~]% date Thu 27 Jun 2013 12:56:35 EDT [krill:~]% mkdir 6234 [krill:~]% cd 6234 ... On 2013-06-27, at 13:22, Joe Abley wrote: > [krill:~]% mkdir 6234 > [krill:~]% cd 6234 > [krill

Re: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-27 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-06-27, at 11:49, "Dearlove, Christopher (UK)" wrote: > RFC 6234 contains, embedded in it, code to implement various functions, > including SHA-2. > > Extracting that code from the RFC is not a clean process. In addition the > code must have existed unembedded before being embedded. >

Re: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-27 Thread Eggert, Lars
Hi, On Jun 27, 2013, at 17:49, "Dearlove, Christopher (UK)" wrote: > RFC 6234 contains, embedded in it, code to implement various functions, > including SHA-2. > > Extracting that code from the RFC is not a clean process. https://tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcstrip/ can take the headers/footers ou

RE: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-27 Thread Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
in England & Wales No: 1996687 -Original Message- From: Hector Santos [mailto:hsan...@isdg.net] Sent: 27 June 2013 17:27 To: Dearlove, Christopher (UK) Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: RFC 6234 code --! WARNING ! -- This message originates

Re: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-27 Thread Hector Santos
What language, OS? There are plenty of rich hashing/encrypting C/C++ libraries out there. Windows has CAPI, even OPENSSL has these libraries. On 6/27/2013 11:49 AM, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) wrote: RFC 6234 contains, embedded in it, code to implement various functions, including SHA-2. Extr