Re: Last calling draft-resnick-on-consensus

2013-10-06 Thread Pete Resnick
On 10/6/13 7:30 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: This is a VERY useful document, and I look forward to compelling my WG participants to read it, with a pop quiz afterwards. I've been exceedingly satisfied to hear this sort of thing from you and the other folks who posted and talked to me about

Re: Review of: draft-resnick-on-consensus-05

2013-10-06 Thread Melinda Shore
On 10/6/13 4:34 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: > On 07/10/2013, at 11:03 AM, Dave Crocker wrote: >> 1. in a natural state; without decoration or other treatment. "a >> diamond in the rough" >> 2. in difficulties. "even before the recession hit, the project was >> in the rough" > I think he's using it

Re: Review of: draft-resnick-on-consensus-05

2013-10-06 Thread Mark Nottingham
On 07/10/2013, at 11:03 AM, Dave Crocker wrote: >> Now, a conclusion of having only rough consensus relies heavily on >> the good judgement of the consensus caller. The group must truly >> consider and weigh an issue before the objection can be dismissed as >> being "in the rough". The

Re: Last calling draft-resnick-on-consensus

2013-10-06 Thread Mark Nottingham
This is a VERY useful document, and I look forward to compelling my WG participants to read it, with a pop quiz afterwards. The only issue I see is its length; while dedicated IETFers won't have a problem reading such a lengthy document, the people who could benefit most - new, potential or cas

Re: Last calling draft-resnick-on-consensus

2013-10-06 Thread Scott Brim
+1. I've referred people to earlier versions already.

Review of: draft-resnick-on-consensus-05

2013-10-06 Thread Dave Crocker
Review Title:On Consensus and Humming in the IETF draft-resnick-on-consensus-05 Reviewer: D. Crocker Reivew data: 6 Oct 2013 Summary: The draft discusses IETF processes for making group decisions, especially in the face of disagreement. As the draft notes, th

Re: Last calling draft-resnick-on-consensus

2013-10-06 Thread Randy Bush
i have found it quite useful in venues other than the ietf. go for it. and thanks, pete. randy

Re: Last calling draft-resnick-on-consensus

2013-10-06 Thread Melinda Shore
On 10/6/13 1:03 PM, Jari Arkko wrote: > My goal is to publish it as an Informational RFC. It is an > explanation of principles and how they can be applied to productively > move IETF discussions forward. While there is no change to IETF > processes or any presumption that guidance from this documen

Last calling draft-resnick-on-consensus

2013-10-06 Thread Jari Arkko
The document talks about ways in which consensus processes can be successfully run in the IETF. After the last few rounds of versions, I believe this document is ready to move forward. My goal is to publish it as an Informational RFC. It is an explanation of principles and how they can be appl