Damnit, meant to add
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 1:21 PM, zMan wrote:
> Speaking of not talking like a mainframer...
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 11:42 AM, John Gilmore wrote:
>
>> Some part of David Crayford's problem here is that he does not talk
>> like---and a
Phew, sorry, I missed that you were being sarcastic too. I really should
have checked -- I remember thinking "Wow, I didn't expect that from HIM!"
-- which should have been a clue!
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 10:03 PM, David Crayford wrote:
> I was being sarcastic Timothy! I thought that was obvious
> amount of this storage available gradually diminishes, leaks away, until
> processing can no longer continue or performance deteriorates
> spectacularly.
>
> Here, I think, some loss in precision would attend using a generic term
> like
> 'storage error
Well then...they just don't know how to use the tools they have. Lovely.
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:58 PM, David Crayford wrote:
> On 11/10/2013 5:47 AM, Charles Mills wrote:
>
>> FWIW, MS Visual Studio 2010, which I use for editing and alpha testing,
>> has
>> excellent memory leak diagnosis fac
Very SHORT secrets!!!
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Clark Morris wrote:
> On 14 Oct 2013 08:16:31 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
>
> >A few people might even still have a long, wide strip from a 2321 data
> cell.
> >
> I think I still have one complete with possible atomic energy
gt;> much blame for those taking on those tasks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>> Good question. For professional training (which costs $$), it is
>>>>>>
>>>>> likely
>>>>>
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in key 8??
? (Pretend that was a monospace font if it isn't in your client!)
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bit better.
On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Binyamin Dissen <
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> On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 18:31:17 -0500 zMan wrote:
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> :>Is there a simpler way to see whether we were called in key 8 (not that
> :>this is that compli
lly count on the filtering by the client side - if it
> will
> be setting a client passed protected storage location or accessing
> something
> that the client could not directly access it will need to validate the
> callers
> key itself.
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> On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 15:35:33 -0500 zM
> that loaded microcode from main storage. X'B9', iirc. Used by OLTEP
> tests, I think.
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Here's the BBCs take on a day without data sharing:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29802368
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Ah, thanks. Was just comparing the main topic. You get extra credit for the
insight...
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rubber bands and having them shipped from HQ *in lots of 10*.
Given that Art's wife was apparently equally loony and was CFO, I guess the
bankruptcy isn't a surprise. The good news:
http://www.asg.com/Company/Executive-Management.aspx no longer shows
gt; company. It was truly weird.
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n Monday and find the system reporting the time as 0130 on
> Sunday. (If the coding is correctly designed, there is no such thing as
> a semiannual "time change".)
>
Windows 95 did that, IIRC...
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On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Lindy Mayfield wrote:
> Granted a punch card in no matter what language would most likely be 80
> bytes long.
Before someone else points it out: unless it's a 96-column S/3 card, or a
90-column Remington-Rand card :-)
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ant "legal code", then are you saying that Polish law requires
portability? If so, would that we had such consumer-protective laws here!
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> rigths. Would it be posible to demand from customer to wear a tie + red
> shoes when using the software ?
OK, but since they control the activation, I'm not sure how the EULA comes
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On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:33 PM, R.S. wrote:
> BTW: the thread is becoming off-topic. This groups is about mainframes.
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True, my bad. Thanks.
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rtunately maybe better since my only language is United States
> English - no snide comments from the Commonwealth please).
Indeed. This wasn't a case of poor English -- it was a case of English
being poor. What he wrote was grammatical and clear, just ambiguous, due to
English lack of
And...there we go again.
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Heh, I read that as "a PATENT queuing theory". Meta-patent!
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Ed Gould wrote:
> John:
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> The number is sort of misleading. IBM seems to patent *EVERYTHING* even a
> patient queing theory.
> We have talked about this before on here.
ast August.
>
I realize it's not your article AND it's the Inquirer, but: how is IBM
"slowly lifting the veil" on something that was announced four months ago,
with lots of detail then? I'm confused.
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where they could be logged on. In those days, no remote
> access. Inside, id verified, escorted, watched, etc.
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ee (but would never
commit) vandalism against that neighbor you hate: at least there you get to
see him be unhappy and deal with it. But messing with someone half a world
away that you'll never meet just seems pointless.
Better you should take that energy and write some USEFUL code, eh?
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On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Scott Ford wrote:
> John,
>
> Agree totally, but we need to convince the powers to be that hackers must
> be licensed and monitored
Hm. That's a stretch; I'm not particularly Libertarian/anti-regulation, but
this seems impractical.
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locksmith <> someone with lock picks and the skills to use
them. The latter aren't *illegal*, except in environments where they might
be used for ill. Same with hacking skillz...
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On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Scott Ford wrote:
> zMan, I know but can one stop the people who hack and create viruses ,
> they are so destructive
I don't see how.
ObAnecdote (not directly related, but fun): a friend has lock picking
skills (and picks). He swears the follow
are.confex.com/share/118/webprogram/Session11089.html. The
> handouts are linked on the page.
Well, you'd *filter* those, eh?
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computers do better than people,
> it
> is comparing two large numbers for equality ...
Wow. That stories a keeper!
Yeah, SMF might be better, but that wasn't the OP's question -- I just
always resist telling someo
owerful than a 3090...certainly has more
memory!
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> Of course there are doubtless many subtleties involved in trademarks
> and trademark searches that I am unfamiliar with, so I will have
> missed all sorts of things and their s
never used it. Since those were *very* different
industries (OK, both have cables, but), that was clearly an OK confluence
of names. Smartphones...not so clear!
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> On Fri, 2013-02-08 at 09:29 -0500, zMan wrote:
> > Does the enhanced symbol support mean that you can use symbols in places
> > like this:
> > REPRO INFILE(GIMZPOOL) +
> > OUTDATASET
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Grinsell, Don wrote:
> The issue must be 64-bit vs 32-bit.
Who'd'a THUNK it! (Sorry, couldn't resist...)
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servers; even just with mergers
etc., those would be a lot smaller.
My SWAG is 3K for each nowadays, plus ~100 TPF; essentially no additional
Linux for System z, since the real shops running Linux on z are also
running z/VM.
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Admittedly, COBOL isn't as bad as I'd been led to believe by three decades
of avoiding it -- but as the saying goes, "You can write your program in
, or you can write a story about your progra
Can you do that for fields in an existing copybook?
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 11:36 AM, David Andrews wrote:
> On Sat, 2013-02-16 at 16:14 -0500, zMan wrote:
> > If this was supposed to be asking "What is it that's awkward to do in
> > COBOL?", try calculating the of
;m willing to believe that. I certainly don't claim to be a COBOL
jock, nor is my most common source for COBOL help. So I should probably
just shut up (hey, stop cheering!).
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> No, you didn't. The UK built the first electronic computer in 1942,
> Colossus I.
>
One computer doth not an industry make, alas.
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0-line module and
say "Here, try this..."
Sheesh. That sounds like the IBM of old, when they'd do anything to avoid
fixing bugs (I remember once saying "'ALL' means 'ALL', damnit!" to a Level
2 rep, who was arguing that the documentation didn't mean
dumb: what's a "squirrel event"? Sounds like something
Macy's would advertise...
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the reserved byte
instead, we'd only have needed one format! (Well, until there's 64-bit I/O,
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but I don't understand how a script is different from "one command"?
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>
Done by Mexican peasants, paid pennies...but yeah. I suspect shipping it
may have cost more than making it at the time.
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> definitions...
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> Nothing has yet been announced, so if anyone has heard,
> they are likely unable to say.
>
My money's on zB1296CDEF, given the crack the System z marketroids seem to
be smoking lately...
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On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 10:56 AM, zMan wrote:
> And this is new how? :-)
>
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