Re: COBOL 6.2 and ARCH(12)

2019-05-03 Thread Charles Mills
I think I disagree. You compile the program for ARCH(8). IBM guarantees that it will run on a z10 (do I have that right?). They do NOT guarantee that the program plus LE will behave on a z114 exactly as though it were running on a z10. No matter what ARCH the program were compiled for, I would

Re: COBOL 6.2 and ARCH(12)

2019-05-06 Thread Charles Mills
> How does z/OS handle a situation where two COBOL programs that are compiled > at different ARCH levels and part of the same LE enclave? Since the vendor > code receives execution first, does it determine the enclave level? I don't think an enclave HAS an ARCH level. ARCH is a compiler parm. If y

Re: COBOL 6.2 and ARCH(12)

2019-05-06 Thread Charles Mills
on systems. Thank you, Brian Chapman On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 10:34 AM Charles Mills wrote: > > How does z/OS handle a situation where two COBOL programs that are > compiled > > at different ARCH levels and part of the same LE enclave? Since the > vendor > > code rec

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-06 Thread Charles Mills
> One of the tricks he pulled was to offload the RACF Database to a PC and > Dictionary Attack it. I *believe* that was done by investigators after the fact, attempting to determine how the attack might have been done. I don't recall that there is compelling evidence that Svartholm actually did

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-06 Thread Charles Mills
#1: Noo. It was a legitimate mainframe hack (assuming you consider USS a legitimate part of the mainframe, which it has been for 20 years or so). It was an exploit of CGI buffer overrun. #2: It drives me nuts to hear mainframers explain away mainframe breaches. "It wasn't really a mainframe

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-06 Thread Charles Mills
om/a-history-of-a-hacking/ Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, May 6, 2019, 1:21 PM, Charles Mills wrote: #1: Noo. It was a legitimate mainframe hack (assuming you consider USS a legitimate part of the mainframe, which it has been for 20 years or so). It was an exploit of CGI buffer o

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-06 Thread Charles Mills
ua.edu> wrote: > > > > Still never would have occurred without a valid userid. > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Monday, May 6, 2019, 3:18 PM, Charles Mills wrote: > > > > No. > > > > From the link yo

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-06 Thread Charles Mills
> > Still never would have occurred without a valid userid. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Monday, May 6, 2019, 3:18 PM, Charles Mills wrote: > > No. > > From the link you cite: > > "According to various sources, the hackers su

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-06 Thread Charles Mills
likely. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 10:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"? On Mon, 6 May 2019 10:21:25 -0700,

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-07 Thread Charles Mills
I was travelling and I have kind of lost track of where this thread has gone. Let me throw three thoughts out there. 1. Our job is to make our platform -- and if you are at a customer, your site -- as secure as reasonably possible. Not "more secure than Windows." It is NOT like the joke about the

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Charles Mills
No. Read the original thread here. It was a vulnerability in a Web server. Hacking the RACF database was done well after the fact, by investigators. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Vander Woude Sent:

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Charles Mills
days'." > >--- >Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > >/* If the Earth were flat, cats would have pushed everything off it by now. */ > > >-Original Message- >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Charles Mills
idges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Be careful of your thoughts; they may become words at any moment. -Ira Gassen */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 11:39 No.

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Charles Mills
for iPhone On Thursday, May 9, 2019, 1:16 PM, Charles Mills wrote: To answer the OP question, Yes, assuming - The perp has the ability to run some sort of volume backup, such as authority to the volume and to run a volume backup program. - The ability to copy the backup off of the system, su

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Charles Mills
ve your key on the porch for anyone to use. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Charles Mills Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 2:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Can backup

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Charles Mills
No argument there! :-) Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mai

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-11 Thread Charles Mills
+1, all around: the fandom, the years, and the logical points. The mainframe seems to me to have also some "architectural" advantages. It seems to support a denser "clustering." It does not seem to me that there is anything in the Windows/Linux world that duplicates the advantages of 100 or so ver

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-11 Thread Charles Mills
Passphrases and MFA! Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew Rowley Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 6:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: ma

Re: LU name and RACF ID is SMF records

2019-05-11 Thread Charles Mills
> I don't think IP addresses end up in the type 80s, though They do not. In really, really pursuing this I found IP addresses incredibly hard to audit anywhere downstream from the TN3270 mapping to an LU name. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-14 Thread Charles Mills
+1CharlesSent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity. Original message From: Alan Altmark Date: 5/14/19 11:28 AM (GMT-08:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"? Reading all of these posts has brought out the salient points of IT se

Re: Fwd: IBM 'cloudifies' mainframe software pricing, adds hybrid, private cloud services | Network World

2019-05-16 Thread Charles Mills
"First, IBM rolled out  z/OS Container Extensions (zCX), which makes it possible to run Linux on Z applications that are packaged as Docker Container images on z/OS. "Linux under z/OS.Charles  Original message From: Mark Regan Date: 5/16/19 5:53 AM (GMT-08:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LI

Re: Fwd: IBM 'cloudifies' mainframe software pricing, adds hybrid, private cloud services | Network World

2019-05-16 Thread Charles Mills
Test to see if this solves my formatting problem with this list (only).Please pardon the interruption. CharlesSent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity. Original message From: Charles Mills Date: 5/16/19 8:53 AM (GMT-08:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Fwd

Re: Is there any z/OS API to get byte file size for non-VSAM, non-zFS, non-database files?

2020-05-14 Thread Charles Mills
I think the bottom line is that there is no single guaranteed perfect method, but depending on what your need is there may be an adequate solution (as suggested by the other replies). Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Beha

Re: Is there any z/OS API to get byte file size for non-VSAM, non-zFS, non-database files?

2020-05-14 Thread Charles Mills
Of course it does not matter to COBOL! But it might matter to one or more applications that might just happen to be written in COBOL! No disrespect @Gil but this kind of answer drives me crazy. One thinks about a problem. It is a big and complex problem with multiple unknowns and tradeoffs. Th

Re: Is there any z/OS API to get byte file size for non-VSAM, non-zFS, non-database files?

2020-05-14 Thread Charles Mills
ertain way, and to ask about that way rather than the actual problem. Asking for clarification never hurts, and often helps. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf o

Re: Is there any z/OS API to get byte file size for non-VSAM, non-zFS, non-database files?

2020-05-14 Thread Charles Mills
There is lots it could do! Make a decision on "strategy" based on the volume of input, for example. Do I process it all or cut off after 'n' records and do more on the next run? Do I read the file into an in-memory table and access records there, or do I load it into a VSAM file for direct acces

Re: Is there any z/OS API to get byte file size for non-VSAM, non-zFS, non-database files?

2020-05-14 Thread Charles Mills
e information isn’t available given the restrictions placed on the > problem > > > > Get Outlook for iOS > > > > > > > On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 1:56 PM -0700, "Charles Mills" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > There is lo

Re: Is there any z/OS API to get byte file size for non-VSAM, non-zFS, non-database files?

2020-05-14 Thread Charles Mills
Well then, that is a good answer to his question, so why don't you suggest that? (Actually, you have.) The fact that there is a good answer does not make it a bad question. (Good answer subject to some limitations that have been discussed.) Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainfra

Re: Is there any z/OS API to get byte file size for non-VSAM, non-zFS, non-database files?

2020-05-15 Thread Charles Mills
PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Is there any z/OS API to get byte file size for non-VSAM, non-zFS, non-database files? > EXECIO in REXX will give you the record count in stem zero I believe only by reading the entire file. On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 8:02 AM Charles Mills wrote: >

Re: Is there any z/OS API to get byte file size for non-VSAM, non-zFS, non-database files?

2020-05-15 Thread Charles Mills
But everything to do with how big a stem variable array it can build. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 10:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Is there any z/OS

Looking for clarification/guidance on SMTP DD FREE/SPIN

2020-05-15 Thread Charles Mills
I am designing a long-running Rexx program that will from time to time generate an e-mail via the SMTP server. The idea is to allocate a DD SYSOUT=(B,SMTP) and write the SMTP commands to it. I've never done that before so I have some questions: - Am I correct in my assumption that I will have to "

Re: Looking for clarification/guidance on SMTP DD FREE/SPIN

2020-05-15 Thread Charles Mills
and free it; repeat. First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 4:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Looking for clarification/guidance on SMTP DD FREE/SPIN [Exte

Re: Looking for clarification/guidance on SMTP DD FREE/SPIN

2020-05-15 Thread Charles Mills
That is one cool kludge! I had thought of having multiple DD's MAIL01, MAIL02, ... but this would be even easier. A little too kludgey, and I have no idea how many times I might send an e-mail between restarts, but it is still a very cool notion. Thanks! Charles -Original Message- Fro

Re: Looking for clarification/guidance on SMTP DD FREE/SPIN

2020-05-15 Thread Charles Mills
Interesting. I will keep that in mind. *Think* I will go with ALLOC/FREE, but will keep this in mind. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Wayne Bickerdike Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 1:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.

Re: Looking for clarification/guidance on SMTP DD FREE/SPIN

2020-05-15 Thread Charles Mills
I am using GETMSG so must run under TSO/IRXEXEC already. Should have mentioned that. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 1:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Lo

Re: Is there any z/OS API to get byte file size for non-VSAM, non-zFS, non-database files?

2020-05-15 Thread Charles Mills
On Behalf Of Jeremy Nicoll Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 1:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Is there any z/OS API to get byte file size for non-VSAM, non-zFS, non-database files? On Fri, 15 May 2020, at 19:48, Charles Mills wrote: > But everything to do with how big a stem variable a

Re: Looking for clarification/guidance on SMTP DD FREE/SPIN

2020-05-15 Thread Charles Mills
M Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 2:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Looking for clarification/guidance on SMTP DD FREE/SPIN On Fri, 15 May 2020 13:50:08 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >Thanks. Yeah, I love B

Re: Is there any z/OS API to get byte file size for non-VSAM, non-zFS, non-database files?

2020-05-16 Thread Charles Mills
Extended format (VSAM and non-VSAM) Or (Extended format VSAM) and (non-VSAM) ? The former is redundant or overly wordy: why not just say "extended format datasets"? The latter, OTOH, seems implausible to me. Why would they do all non-VSAM but only extended format VSAM? Charles -

Re: Looking for clarification/guidance on SMTP DD FREE/SPIN

2020-05-17 Thread Charles Mills
g for clarification/guidance on SMTP DD FREE/SPIN How about utilizing Lionel's excellent XMITIP package to generate and send the emails? Dana On Fri, 15 May 2020 13:08:40 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >I am designing a long-running Rexx program that will from time to time >genera

Re: Looking for clarification/guidance on SMTP DD FREE/SPIN

2020-05-17 Thread Charles Mills
> Haven't you switched to CSSMTP? What's the drop dead date on SMTP? Nope and I don't know. I Googled and and got no hits. Do you know? > Do you want the SPOOL space release after the e-mail goes out? If you do dynamic allocation then you need to use the right options. Thank you. Yes. What opt

Re: Looking for clarification/guidance on SMTP DD FREE/SPIN

2020-05-17 Thread Charles Mills
Thanks. Looks to be 100% or at least 98% compatible at the "send an e-mail" level so I don't think it matters a lot to this application. SMTP is already up and running and functional and CSSMTP is not, so it makes sense to use SMTP for now. The system in question is V2R1 (yes, I know) and soon

How determine local time zone *name* in Rexx?

2020-05-17 Thread Charles Mills
I want to get the 3-or-so character *name* of the local time zone in Rexx. What is the most straightforward way? I get lots of hits that explain how to calculate the local offset from GMT, but what I need is the name such as 'EST' or 'PDT' (and yes, I know the limitations thereof, and that they ar

Re: How determine local time zone *name* in Rexx?

2020-05-17 Thread Charles Mills
you did, I didn’t > see > > Timezone. Maybe a TSO function ? > > > > Scott > > > > On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 2:38 PM Charles Mills wrote: > > > >> I want to get the 3-or-so character *name* of the local time zone in > Rexx. > >> What is t

Re: Looking for clarification/guidance on SMTP DD FREE/SPIN

2020-05-17 Thread Charles Mills
as having the same effect, but if the data set doesn't already have an independent track group then unallocate can't change that. I've sent an RCF. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: How determine local time zone *name* in Rexx?

2020-05-17 Thread Charles Mills
Mugzach Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 12:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How determine local time zone *name* in Rexx? True, but you know the offset. Btw, d t command tells you the utc. Use console command ITschak בתאריך יום א׳, 17 במאי 2020, 22:06, מאת Charles Mills ‏: > That

Re: How determine local time zone *name* in Rexx?

2020-05-17 Thread Charles Mills
rame Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 11:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: How determine local time zone *name* in Rexx? I want to get the 3-or-so character *name* of the local time zone in Rexx. What is the most stra

Re: Looking for clarification/guidance on SMTP DD FREE/SPIN

2020-05-17 Thread Charles Mills
So "spin" is more or less synonymous with "independent track group," at least for spin on allocation (DD or SVC99) as opposed to after allocation such as with SETPRT or on unallocation? Or re-phrasing the question, if I allocate with SPIN=UNALLOC and FREE on CLOSE, and do CLOSE the dataset, then I

Re: How determine local time zone *name* in Rexx?

2020-05-17 Thread Charles Mills
of https://www.timeanddate.com/ as well as know your latitude. A bit more than a table look up. sas On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 3:21 PM Charles Mills wrote: > The heck with it! I wanted it for the "Date:" line in an outgoing > e-mail but it appears that SMTP provides a s

Re: Is there any z/OS API to get byte file size for non-VSAM, non-zFS, non-database files?

2020-05-17 Thread Charles Mills
The feasibility of answering this question depends a lot on whether one means - a ballpark size -- in which case tracks * 56K might suffice, and might well be available - an exact size, in which case I fear you may be SOL - an exact size ... but what does that mean? With or without LLBB's? With o

Re: How determine local time zone *name* in Rexx?

2020-05-17 Thread Charles Mills
l Gilmartin Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 2:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How determine local time zone *name* in Rexx? On Sun, 17 May 2020 13:39:18 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >Please read the subject line ... :-) > Beware of ambiguity. AST is both Arabia Standa

Re: Yechnical

2020-05-18 Thread Charles Mills
It was yanceled due to yovid-19. SHARE in Yoston, too. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 1:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Yechnical Did anyone attend the Tech

Why ICH0007I and how fix?

2020-05-20 Thread Charles Mills
I asked this question this morning on RACF-L and got not a whimper. Perhaps it is a JES2 question and not a RACF question? I am issuing a JES2 $DQ command from a Rexx EXEC running under IKJEFT01. It is all working but for every command issued I am getting ICH70007I USER AUTHORITY CANNOT BE USED F

Re: Why ICH0007I and how fix?

2020-05-20 Thread Charles Mills
RALTER RACFVARS &RACLNDE ADDMEM(mynode) SETROPTS RACLIST(RACFVARS) REFRESH and the problem went away! Thank you. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lou Losee Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 2:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@L

Where do started PROC errors go?

2020-05-21 Thread Charles Mills
I have a program that runs successfully in a job. I just cloned the JCL appropriately into a PROC. When I issue a START for the PROC I get a started message and an ended message but no clue as to why it failed. (It is supposed to be long-running, so ending is a failure.) I don't think it is a JCL e

Re: [External] Where do started PROC errors go?

2020-05-21 Thread Charles Mills
r LOG, MSGCLASS, MSGLEVEL, OUTDISP and OUTPUT? Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Where do started PROC errors go? I have a program that runs successfu

Re: Where do started PROC errors go?

2020-05-21 Thread Charles Mills
ay, May 21, 2020 2:38 PM > >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > >> Subject: Re: Where do started PROC errors go? > >> > >> [ External - This message originated Externally. Use proper > >> judgement and caution with attachments, links, or responses. ] >

Re: Where do started PROC errors go?

2020-05-21 Thread Charles Mills
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Charles Mills [charl...@mcn.org] Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Where do started PROC errors go? Thanks all! - Yes, SDSF ST finds

Re: Where do started PROC errors go?

2020-05-21 Thread Charles Mills
It did not but now it does and it works! Gosh, got it right on the first try. Guessed at the changes to make to the below and seem to have gotten them all right on the first try. I owe you all a virtual beer in Boston. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [ma

Friday Follies/Why won't this work?/TSO Rant #387

2020-05-22 Thread Charles Mills
What is wrong with this Rexx? (I spent about two hours debugging before I solved it.) The problem is right here on this page: the answer is NOT something in RACF or JES2. It's not something missing: it's a sin of commission, not a sin of omission. The below will never work. That is, the output will

Re: Friday Follies/Why won't this work?/TSO Rant #387

2020-05-22 Thread Charles Mills
dress Console in wrong location? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 10:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Friday Follies/Why won't this work?/TSO Rant #387 What is wrong with this Rexx? (I spent about

Re: Friday Follies/Why won't this work?/TSO Rant #387

2020-05-22 Thread Charles Mills
> I called my congressman and he said quote > I'd like to help you son, but you're too young to vote. > > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: Friday Follies/Why won't this work?/TSO Rant #387

2020-05-22 Thread Charles Mills
ILITE, will the answer become apparent? 😊 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 12:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Friday Follies/Why won't this work?/TSO Rant #387 Message handling is fine, othe

Re: Friday Follies/Why won't this work?/TSO Rant #387

2020-05-22 Thread Charles Mills
rn code is" GETCODE EXIT On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 12:40 PM scott Ford wrote: > Charles: > > I think that should be 'address mvs' ...scott > > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 12:35 PM Charles Mills wrote: > >> Message handling is fine, other than one very specific probl

Re: Friday Follies/Why won't this work?/TSO Rant #387

2020-05-22 Thread Charles Mills
essman and he said quote I'd like to help you son, but you're too young to vote. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Charles Mills [charl...@mcn.org

Re: Friday Follies/Why won't this work?/TSO Rant #387

2020-05-22 Thread Charles Mills
True enough, but in my (actual) Rexx programs I always code Signal On Novalue. To do otherwise is to invite hard-to-debug surprises (present example notwithstanding). Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J M

Re: Friday Follies/Why won't this work?/TSO Rant #387

2020-05-22 Thread Charles Mills
Have to say that I agree 100% with @Phil (other than that I have only been coding Rexx for about 25 years). The other problem with omitting SIGNAL ON NOVALUE is that you can code IF ARG(1) = FOOO ... and never realize that ARG(1) will never equal FOOO because the variable is really named FOO, and

Re: Friday Follies/Why won't this work?/TSO Rant #387

2020-05-24 Thread Charles Mills
The problem was NOT that Rexx (or my coding style) failed to uppercase an operand; the problem was that TSO did. Note my subject line: a rant about TSO. 'MyCart01' (as written, in camel-case) was my intended CART and it is a valid CART: a CART may have any 64-bit value. The problem was that the

Re: Friday Follies/Why won't this work?/TSO Rant #387

2020-05-24 Thread Charles Mills
IN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Friday Follies/Why won't this work?/TSO Rant #387 On Sun, 24 May 2020 14:26:51 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: > >'MyCart01' (as written, in camel-case) was my intended CART and it is a valid CART: a CART may have any 64-bit value. The problem was that

Re: Friday Follies/Why won't this work?/TSO Rant #387

2020-05-24 Thread Charles Mills
Right! Let the service fail and then report its error. Don't introduce some new error to document and be learned. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 6:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN

Re: DSN SYNTAX (was: ... last node in DFSORT)

2020-05-27 Thread Charles Mills
Not an excuse but I bet they mean they don't validate the length of the node names. DSN='MYLONGNODE.WHATEVER' is valid. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 8:20 AM To:

Re: DSN SYNTAX (was: ... last node in DFSORT)

2020-05-27 Thread Charles Mills
Well, it was designed one piece at a time. First came DSN's and VTOC's; then came catalogs; then came UNIX filenames. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 9:11 AM To: I

Re: EPSILON?

2020-05-27 Thread Charles Mills
Relationship to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Future_Systems_project ? Timeframe of FS was 1971 to 1975. Perhaps Talmadge was a "sore loser" when FS was terminated? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony H

Re: Sort extracting values in PDS members

2020-05-27 Thread Charles Mills
Amazing! Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Sri h Kolusu Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 4:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Sort extracting values in PDS members Billy, On second thoughts, We can opt

Re: RCF SA32-0974-40 - z/OS Version 2 Release 4 TSO/E System Programming Command Reference - CART subcommand

2020-05-28 Thread Charles Mills
Aren't you glad you took the trouble. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 8:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: FW: RCF SA32-0974-40 - z/OS Version 2 Release 4 TS

Re: TIME a data set was created?

2020-05-30 Thread Charles Mills
> "*local* time"!? WTF!? Agreed, although my wild guess is that the existing date field DS1CREDT is a "local" date (yes, dates are the high-order digits of time, and therefore have time zones) so they needed to stick with local time to have the date/time combination make logical sense. Char

Re: TIME a data set was created?

2020-05-30 Thread Charles Mills
> ISPF, JES, SYSLOG, OPERLOG, etc. have been recording time as local time > forever The *right* way to do things is to *record* the time as UTC and then *display* it any way the user wants: UTC, local to the LPAR, local to the user, etc. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

Meaning of reason code A618 on ABEND S222?

2020-05-30 Thread Charles Mills
I am looking at some SMF 30 S222 ABEND completion codes. Most of them are S222- as you would expect. A handful have a non-zero reason code, many of them A618. The ABEND 222 documentation does not mention reason codes: https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4

Re: TIME a data set was created?

2020-05-30 Thread Charles Mills
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Charles Mills [charl...@mcn.org] Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 2:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TIME a data set was created? > ISPF, JES, SYSLOG, OPERLOG, etc. have been recording time

Re: Meaning of reason code A618 on ABEND S222?

2020-05-31 Thread Charles Mills
Yes, "ABEND S222" was shorthand. > What exactly are you "looking at"? I am looking at my report (or rather, an image of the output of my report program, as displayed on a 3270 emulator). I posted my code that generates the field in the report. Yes, I know from experimentation (totally unrelated

Re: Punched cards and character set

2020-06-02 Thread Charles Mills
https://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~jones/cards/codes.html Charles  Original message From: "Farley, Peter x23353" Date: 6/2/20 7:43 AM (GMT-08:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Punched cards and character set Radoslaw,In the IBM world, all possible EBCDIC characters

Re: Punched cards and character set

2020-06-02 Thread Charles Mills
The System/3 used 96-column cards that were physically smaller than Hollerith cards. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 7:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject

Re: Punched cards and character set

2020-06-02 Thread Charles Mills
> thousands of punched cards with no real way to read them anymore In this day and age it should be pretty trivial to write software that would encode a scanned image of a punched card. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On B

What is 2034 from BPXBATCH sleep?

2020-06-02 Thread Charles Mills
I am running the following and getting a return code 2034. I guess the doc is saying that is a Signal 9. Can someone explain what is going on? I'm sure this is elementary but I don't have much of a clue. No error messages! sleep is documented as only returning 0 and 2. //BPXBAT EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH

Re: What is 2034 from BPXBATCH sleep?

2020-06-02 Thread Charles Mills
-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 10:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: What is 2034 from BPXBATCH sleep? I am running the following and getting a return code 2034. I guess the doc is saying that is a Signal 9. Can someone explain what is going on

Re: What is 2034 from BPXBATCH sleep?

2020-06-02 Thread Charles Mills
schak Mugzach *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for z/OS, x/Linux & IBM I **| z/VM comming son * On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 8:56 PM Charles Mills wrote: > Never mind. Found it. Out of memory. Putting a U4093-001C on the console > but > not w

Re: Punched cards and character set

2020-06-02 Thread Charles Mills
"Laced" (every hold punched) cards were an amusing bulletin board item. And yes, I believe I heard at the time @Jesse's premise as to why 'S' did not use row 1. Actually, the alpha codes are as follow: A - I, row 12 plus rows 1 - 9 J - R, row 11 plus rows 1 - 9 S - Z, row 0 plus rows 2 - 9 So

Re: Punched cards and character set

2020-06-02 Thread Charles Mills
was assigned the 0 and 2 rows because 0 and 1 were too close together, then why was "/" given rows 0 and 1? Does that punch a hole in this theory? GD&R Bill On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 14:30:52 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >"Laced" (every hold punched) cards were an amusing bulle

Re: Punched cards and character set

2020-06-02 Thread Charles Mills
Yeah, we used them for notecards and shopping lists until I used up my entire stock sometime in the nineties. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 6:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTS

Re: What is GRXBIMG

2020-06-03 Thread Charles Mills
Fascinating! I'm looking at a V1R4 TSO/E Rexx manual and the sentence is in there. Chapter 8, Using Rexx in Different Address Spaces. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020

Re: What is GRXBIMG

2020-06-03 Thread Charles Mills
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 6:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: What is GRXBIMG It's still there in V2R4... and I am appalled that I've been running REXX incorrectly for decades now. sas On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 9:35 AM Charles Mills wrote: > Fascinating! > > I&#

Re: What is GRXBIMG

2020-06-03 Thread Charles Mills
-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: What is GRXBIMG On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 07:00:19 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >I must have time on my hands. I just dragged out the OS/390 V2R8 CDs from >1999, and the sentence is there verbatim. > >It's the only hit on GRXBIMG on CD #1. > &g

Re: What is GRXBIMG

2020-06-03 Thread Charles Mills
ERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 9:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: What is GRXBIMG On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 07:00:19 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >I must have time on my hands. I just dragged out the OS/390 V2R8 CDs from >1999, and the sentence is the

Re: SMF109 macro

2020-06-04 Thread Charles Mills
I assume you tried IFASMFR 109 with no luck? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Pierre Fichaud Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 5:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: SMF109 macro I can't find a macro that ge

Re: SMF109 macro

2020-06-04 Thread Charles Mills
I remember SMF 109 now. There is nothing really to map. Everything through SMF109SID is standard -- use any SMF record DSECT you want and change the names to SMF109xxx. Here is the mapping for the only additional field: SMF109LOG DS CL4096 System logging daemon (syslogd) messages. Yer

Re: Gratuitous EXECIO Documentation

2020-06-05 Thread Charles Mills
As a guy who has written a lot of documentation I think I would rather include some excess verbiage and save user frustration and/or a support call. It is a judgment call. You can overdo the redundancy. I have a VS COBOL manual and it includes thorough instructions for writing link editor DD sta

Re: Gratuitous EXECIO Documentation

2020-06-05 Thread Charles Mills
It is SO counter-intuitive to put the name of a variable in quotes. You would not code ENQ ('MYMAJOR','MYMINOR',E,8). Once you realize that EXECIO is an external command, not a language keyword, you start to get it. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailt

Re: Gratuitous EXECIO Documentation

2020-06-05 Thread Charles Mills
The documentation is written to aid human beings. It is not a hard-core exercise in logic. In writing doc I am often struck by a contrast to coding. In coding, if you had to do the same three-line sequence at ten places in your code the right thing would be to factor it out into a subroutine a

Re: COBOL Question

2020-06-05 Thread Charles Mills
COBOL allows that implicit distributive IF. They call it "Abbreviated combined relation conditions.." IF (FOO = 1 OR 2) ... Or even (if I am reading it right) IF FOO = 1 OR > 17 ... Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Beh

Re: Gratuitous EXECIO Documentation

2020-06-05 Thread Charles Mills
Well, maybe. If foo = 'DISKR' then foo is right and 'foo' is wrong. I think that is the point that others are making: there is no way to "explain how to code EXECIO" without explaining how Rexx works. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSER

Re: COBOL Question

2020-06-05 Thread Charles Mills
I long ago decided never to bother looking up or thinking about operator precedence. If I am not immediately certain straight out of the box then I use parentheses. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bernd Oppo

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