Re: Why it’s important to take Seymour’s advice

2023-09-17 Thread Rob Scott
Joe, Once again, can I strongly suggest that you pause your functionality development for a while and invest some time into : (O) A robust general purpose recovery routine that can be used in all modes (prob/sup and TCB/SRB). This routine should focus on grabbing diagnostic information into a s

Re: Why it’s important to take Seymour’s advice

2023-09-17 Thread Mike Shaw
+1 Since you do not have z/XDC, taking this advice from Rob will save you hundreds of hours of debugging later, PLUS ensure that your final product is reliable and as error free as you can make it. Mike Shaw MVS/QuickRef Support Group Chicago-Soft, Ltd. On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 5:38 AM Rob Scott

Re: Why it’s important to take Seymour’s advice

2023-09-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
Also, if he doesn't already know IPCS, learning it would be time well spent. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Rob Scott Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 5:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Why it’s important to take Seymour

Re: Why it's importan There a good description of how the system handles an IRB INt to take Seymour's advice

2023-09-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
An IRB is an RB while an SRB, despite the name, is not. An SRB oes away once it is dispatched; a page fault schedules a new SRB to resume once the page is read in. GY28-6659-7, OS Release 21. 7 - IBM System/360 Operating System - MVT Supervisor - Program Number 360S-CI-535, GY28-6659-7, SERVICE

Re: Will AI free Bill Johnson? (was AI will surpass human intelligence!)

2023-09-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
> The pack mentality here is amazing. Yeah, a pack of cats. I guess that your super intelligence hasn't picked up on all of the disagreements here that don't involve you. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-d

Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!

2023-09-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
> I have a talent for facts. ObSeanSpicer Alternative facts. > anyone can tell with near certainty the color and ethnicity of > most posters here simply based on their names. It's unfortunate that being certain and being correct are two very different things. FWIW, I would have guessed from y

Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!

2023-09-17 Thread Bill Johnson
Which of my facts aren’t true? Assembler is dying. Confirmed by one of Assembler’s experts, Ray Mullins. With a name like Bill Johnson, I would either be Scandinavian or black most likely. I’m the former. Swedish mostly. Are you aware of how Swedes are named? Here’s some context easily found on

Re: Will AI free Bill Johnson? (was AI will surpass human intelligence!)

2023-09-17 Thread Bill Johnson
Good news, while cleaning out my basement, I found my college Assembler textbook. Along with my Assembler class final assignment printout. If anyone wants the book, let my know, I’ll gladly give it to you so you can learn it. Self taught of course. It’s called Assembler Language Programming for

Re: Will AI free Bill Johnson? (was AI will surpass human intelligence!)

2023-09-17 Thread Bill Johnson
I remember the Share conferences in which I was there for the training and most of you were there for the after hours beers. There are few disagreements here. It’s a white frat boy cult.  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 10:24 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > The pa

Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!

2023-09-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
> Essentially every belief you attributed to me. Who attended SHARE. Who had a > degree. Knowing the ethnicity of posters. Pop quiz. What is the Ethnicity of Snowden Williams? Where did my ancestors live in the 19th and 20th centuries? From: IBM Mainfram

Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!

2023-09-17 Thread Dean Kent
Definitions are important or else words are subject to widely varying interpretations.   'dying' appears to be equated to 'extinct' in these claims.  I suggest that as long as someone needs to understand the underlying architecture of a computer, assembler language will be a useful skill for th

Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!

2023-09-17 Thread Bill Johnson
I’ll guarantee you’re Jewish. There aren’t many Irish kids with the first name  Shmuel. Are you really equating the degree comments as something I can determine in actuality? Really? Snowdon is from the old English meaning snow hill. (Snow dun) Williams is from old German. (Wilhelm) It’s easy to

Re: Why it's importan There a good description of how the system handles an IRB INt to take Seymour's advice

2023-09-17 Thread Mike Shaw
I know of a product that created a permanent subtask in the *MASTER* address space by scheduling an SRB to *MASTER*, which then located the IEEVWAIT task there and issued CIRB to create an IRB associated with IEEVWAIT, which in turn issued an ATTACH to create a permanent subtask of IEEVWAIT. The te

Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!

2023-09-17 Thread Bill Johnson
Dying can be slow or fast. Assembler has been dying a slow death for decades. Yeah, it could go on for a decade or two but with far fewer programmers (most are older) and less need. (Because far fewer programmers and more user friendly replacements) At no point has the mainframe been shrinking

Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!

2023-09-17 Thread Bill Johnson
I agree with Ray Mullins, Assembler is a niche market and shrinking. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 12:01 PM, Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Dying can be slow or fast. Assembler has been dying a slow death for decades. Yea

Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!

2023-09-17 Thread Bill Johnson
You should read some history of the Jewish ghettos of Europe. Also read up on the pope declaring “Cum nimis absurdum”. You got to love the Christians right?  An excerpt.  In 1555, Pope Paul IV issued the “Cum nimis absurdum” proclamation, which required the Jews of Rome to live in separate quart

Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!

2023-09-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
The question is whether you can, as you claimed, determine my origins from my name. You can probably determine whether I am Ashkenazi, Mizrachi or Sephardi, but beyond that it is not as easy as you believe. For that matter, can you tell from his name whether an American-born citizen has ancestr

Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!

2023-09-17 Thread Bill Johnson
I already told you, you’re Jewish. Just like most people can tell I’m Swedish. But, you can’t tell where in Sweden my ancestors came. Just as I can’t tell (without more research) where your ancestors are from.  As usual, you like to try to prove me wrong. And can’t. African Americans are more d

Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!

2023-09-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
I know what you told me. As usual, you're dodging the question and lying about those who disagree with you. Saying that I'm Jewish Isn't any closer to identifying my ethnicity than saying that You're Buddhist or Christian. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion L

Re: Will AI free Bill Johnson? (was AI will surpass human intelligence!)

2023-09-17 Thread Bernd Oppolzer
I'd really be interested, because I am collecting historic computer related books, so if - by any chance - you could send it to Germany, I would be happy. Of course, I would pay you the needed transfer costs. For exchanging contact information, please send me an offline mail. Thanks. BTW: https

Re: Why it’s important to take Seymour’s advice

2023-09-17 Thread Binyamin Dissen
Or, perhaps, learn to read an SVCDUMP. Learn how the control blocks fit together. As TSO was kind enough to provide an SVCDUMP of the error, look at the trace table to see how your IRB was scheduled and what failed. IPCS subcommand SYSTRACE. Look at the current task structure. IPCS subcommand S

Re: Why it's important to take Seymour's advice

2023-09-17 Thread Binyamin Dissen
Well, technically an SRB code can get control before the address space is supposed to get control. The SRB runs without a TCB and is limited in which system services can be issued. The IRB is an RB like a PRB and is associated with a TCB. It is usually placed by something not running under that T

Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!

2023-09-17 Thread Bill Johnson
Ok, you’re right, as your fragile ego needs. As I stated, and proved, I can tell most people’s color and ethnicity just using their names. It’s not hard. Most people can do it. I’m neither Buddhist or Christian. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 1:22 PM, Seymour

Re: Will AI free Bill Johnson? (was AI will surpass human intelligence!)

2023-09-17 Thread Bill Johnson
I would gladly send it to you. Send where off list. mellonb...@yahoo.com Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 2:09 PM, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: I'd really be interested, because I am collecting historic computer related books, so if - by any chance - you could send it

Re: Will AI free Bill Johnson? (was AI will surpass human intelligence!)

2023-09-17 Thread Bill Johnson
If I had started cleaning last year, I could have brought it with me to Regensburg.  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 2:09 PM, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: I'd really be interested, because I am collecting historic computer related books, so if - by any chance - you

Re: Why it's important to take Seymour's advice

2023-09-17 Thread Tom Brennan
Thanks! So the main points are (as I already thought) that an SRB isn't related to any TCB's and is dispatched before any TCB's, or even if there are no TCB's ready for work. And (what I think you're saying) is that an IRB is related to a particular TCB, which makes it quite different from an

Re: Why it's important to take Seymour's advice

2023-09-17 Thread Binyamin Dissen
STIMER(M) w/o (without) WAIT. WAIT just places the RB in a wait so no IRB is required. On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 12:08:38 -0700 Tom Brennan wrote: :>Thanks! So the main points are (as I already thought) that an SRB isn't :>related to any TCB's and is dispatched before any TCB's, or even if :>ther

Re: Why it's important to take Seymour's advice

2023-09-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
You use an IRB for any of Obsolete access methods STIMER with exit STAI STAX From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Brennan Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 3:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Why it's importa

Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!

2023-09-17 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
Johnson doesn't understand the difference between ethnicity and religion. How surprising. On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 4:44 AM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Ok, you’re right, as your fragile ego needs. > > As I stated, and proved, I can tell most people’s colo

Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!

2023-09-17 Thread Bill Johnson
False. Read up dimwit. https://www.jewfaq.org/what_is_judaism Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 4:58 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: Johnson doesn't understand the difference between ethnicity and religion. How surprising. On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 4:44 AM Bill Joh

Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!

2023-09-17 Thread Bob T Roller
Johnson is correct. To U.S. Jews, being Jewish is not just about religion There is no one way that American Jews think about being Jewish, as the survey makes clear. When asked whether being Jewish is mainly a matter of religion, ancestry or culture, some Jewish respondents pick each of those t

Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!

2023-09-17 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
Just quoting a survey proves nothing. Plenty of Muslims became Muslims because they married a Muslim. So I guess you can divorce your ethnicity and marry another one. On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 7:29 AM Bob T Roller < 044ef325f6c3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Johnson is correct. > > T

Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!

2023-09-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
The culture for most Mizrachi and Sephardi Jews is very different from that of Ashkenazi Jews. Did he read his own cite? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob T Roller <044ef325f6c3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, Septembe

IBM-MAIN Posting Guidelines

2023-09-17 Thread Darren Evans-Young
First, I would like to apologize to the list for not being a better list owner. Life has been busy. I've had numerous complaints about some postings on the list. So, here's the deal. All posts WILL be directly related to IBM Mainframe topics. No discussions of religion, politics, etc. No name cal

Re: IBM-MAIN Posting Guidelines

2023-09-17 Thread Mark Jacobs
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Re: IBM-MAIN Posting Guidelines

2023-09-17 Thread Steve Horein
Thank you! On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 4:48 PM Darren Evans-Young wrote: > First, I would like to apologize to the list for not being a better list > owner. > Life has been busy. > > I've had numerous complaints about some postings on the list. > So, here's the deal. All posts WILL be directly relat

Re: IBM-MAIN Posting Guidelines

2023-09-17 Thread Doug Fuerst
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Re: IBM-MAIN Posting Guidelines

2023-09-17 Thread Roberto Halais
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Re: Will AI free Bill Johnson? (was AI will surpass human intelligence!)

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cascaded FICON - DLM

2023-09-17 Thread Jake Anderson
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R: IBM-MAIN Posting Guidelines

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AW: Generate a data set with record numbers?

2023-09-17 Thread Beate Kawelke
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