Re: PL/I early compilers performance issues

There may have been issues with LCS (Large Core Storage). Our site had 128K core with 1 Mb LCS. OS/360 took up almost all the core storage. Access to LCS was much slower than to core store. We therefore made local PL/I variables static (except for arrays, which typically had variable dimensions).

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

While PL/I F did a GETMAIN for every DSA, no subsequent compiler did. Starting with Version 1 Release 1, the runtime library for the "optimizing" and checkout compiler did a GETMAIN for an ISA and as long as it was large enough, subsequent calls used it as a stack. Only when a DSA didn't fit was

Re: z/OSMF and the Old Timer

I am very familiar with that Job --- I have run it under ServerPac for a dozen times over the past 20-30 years. What I cannot find now is how to get z/OSMF to generate that JOB for the current software order. I have not been able to find it in the z/OSMF GUI interface. -

Re: There are good bosses and then there are the other kind

I remember with fondness an old warrant officer who 1. Had firm ideas about what he wanted. 2' Ensured that we understood what he wanted. 3. Insisted that we give him what he wanted. 4. Got out of our way and let us do our jobs. 5. Had our backs. On item 4, I don't mean that he was aloof; he

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

91? That mean big bucks, and the "optimizing" compiler, which didn't have that problem, was chump change by comparison. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Michael Stein Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 6:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.ED

Re: z/OSMF and the Old Timer

It is created as part of the workflow jobs. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Longfellow Sent: יום ה 07 ספטמבר 2023 12:57 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OSMF and the Old Timer I am very familiar with that Job --- I have run it under Se

Re: SMP/E and USS

Remember that JCLIN was originally intended to process sysgen stage 2 input, which used true names. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 3:55 P

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

There you go again, lying about what people believe. If you're referring to people who chose to plonk you, your right to speak does not confer an obligation to listen. They don't believe that they run the list, but they rightly believe that they run their own property. _

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

Dead tree? That was excusable in the 1960s, but it's a lot harder to find things on paper. If the programmer didn't have a SYSMDUMP I can at least browse the dump on SPOOL; releasing the dump to print just adds to the work. I never had TSO in less than 2 MiB; 768 KiB gives me shudders.

Re: Legal Problems with ChatGPT [Was Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.]

This isn't new; you are responsible for work you sign off on. It doesn't matter that your legal assistant drew up the brief; you are obligated to do due diligence and verify it. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Steve Thompson Sent: Tues

Re: z/OSMF and the Old Timer

I always feel foolish when I reply to my own posts, but here goes. For those of you playing the home game and watching the gladiatorial combat between "Software Management" and the "Grizzled Veteran" here is todays battle. I think I see where I have not toed the line with the 'new' method of I

Re: Help on DFSORT SUM FIELDS

>> Now, I hope that you do not mind if I ask you for one more thing. I wanted >> to have one line with the high level qualifier and all the three values but >> instead I am getting three lines for each HLQ. Jack, If you used the updated INREC then you should have gotten a summary record of 1 r

Re: Switching between SMT-1 and SMT-2

Prior to those functions being zIIP-eligible they equally depended upon access to CPU. Yet there's an unfortunately limited amount of calls for running GCPs less busy, which would also be good for performance overall. It's also worth noting that not all Db2 subsystems are production and don't

Re: z/OSMF and the Old Timer

And the battle continues. Ignorance is taking the hits. I am obviously ignorant to the design of the approved 'how to' way to do this. I tried removing the CB. prefix on my dataset names. 800+ error messages later, I found that the Lion cannot digest that. It regurgitates every name that a

Can I search the Archives

I tried to search archives i registered my password Had it activated After all that told me I wasn’t authorized Can I do search the archives ? Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send e

Re: Can I search the Archives

Apparently you can't. Here we go again with insufficient information. You didn't tell us: How you are trying to search. web or email What web/email address the precise error message. -- Tom Marchant On Thu, 7 Sep 2023 09:29:55 -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote: >I tried to search archives i regi

Re: z/OSMF and the Old Timer

Tom, The job to remove the temporary catalog alias (aka SSA) and rename the data sets to prepare for an IPL is done during the z/OSMF Deployment (not in the Post Deploy Workflow), and is found in the Software Management provided job, IZUD05RN - that's the name that my generated job was, and it

Re: Can I search the Archives

I am on the listeserv web I click on the left side search the archives I check IBMMAIN and IBMMAIN archives Takes me to web page not authorized We’re I can input a password I register The password it then me a email With a link I click on the link after receiving the email A try the process

Re: Help on DFSORT SUM FIELDS

Hi Kolusu, Thank you for you help. I used one HLQ that has few files, (10 DASD; 1 Migrated; 11 HSM Backup; 22 DCOLLECT records). On my first try it gave me three output records: ASCLI 0 KB830 KB 0 KB ASCLI 16.988 KB 0 KB

Re: Help on DFSORT SUM FIELDS

Hello again, After tinkering a little bit more, as I was far form satisfied with the last result, I managed to get twenty two output records: ASCLI830 KB 0 KB 0 KB ASCLI 8.190 KB 0 KB 0 KB ASCLI

Re: Help on DFSORT SUM FIELDS

>> After tinkering a little bit more, as I was far form satisfied with the last >> result, I managed to get twenty two output records: Jack, Looking at the results, something does NOT add up. Your HLQ is 8 bytes, however you have defined the symbol for it as FMT-HLQ as 12 Bytes. May be the ga

Re: Can I search the Archives

On Thu, 7 Sep 2023 10:03:45 -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote: >I am on the listeserv web > Can you view individual messages on the listeserv web? If so, while viewing one, click on the hamburger button and select "search archives". -- gil -

Re: Can I search the Archives

There was no hamburger button But you are correct within a message clicking on the drop down menu I am able to search Thank you Get Outlook for iOS From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-r

Re: Help on DFSORT SUM FIELDS

Kolusu, Of course it was that. That is what happens when you copy something so it you will not have to write everything from scratch. I forgot to change that 12 to 8, as I did on the other places. Thank you so much for your help. That is one of those errors that was staring me on the face and yet

Re: Help on DFSORT SUM FIELDS

>> Of course it was that. That is what happens when you copy something so it >> you will not have to write everything from scratch. Jack, Glad to hear that the issue is resolved. I wanted to bring this up yesterday itself. you may want to check if the space values you are getting are indeed 31

Re: Help on DFSORT SUM FIELDS

Kolusu, You are so right about that. I was waiting for having this right before I would attempt that step. DFSORT is a magnificent product but I still am in an very early user stage. I have to do this in small steps. Thank you once again for your help Best wishes Jack On Thu, 7 Sept 2023 at 16:33,

Re: Help on DFSORT SUM FIELDS

>> DFSORT is a magnificent product but I still am in an very early user stage. Jack, Thank you very much. >> You are so right about that. I was waiting for having this right before I >> would attempt that step. I have to do this in small steps. It is quite simple to add it in the existing job

Coupling Facility volatility status

CF volatility status depends on IBF (Internal Battery Feature). Without IBF the status is volatile, however when external UPS is used you may change the status manually using operator command. Q: Is it possible to change default status? I mean some hidden checkbox in Image profile or parameter

Re: Help on DFSORT SUM FIELDS

Hi Kolusu, UBFLAG4 and UMFLAG4 are not recognized as valid names. As far as I can tell, the DCOLLECT record descriptors that I am using are the most recent ones on the IBM site, even if they are for z/OS 2.1. Any suggestions? Best wishes Jack On Thu, 7 Sept 2023 at 17:15, Sri h Kolusu wrote: >

Re: There are good bosses and then there are the other kind

I always gave my bosses two choices: Tell me what to do and I'll do it. Tell me what you want and I'll see that you get it. It took a while for some to figure out that the second was a better option. A few never did. Very few could compare to your Mr. Condon but they were indeed a

Re: Help on DFSORT SUM FIELDS

>> UBFLAG4 and UMFLAG4 are not recognized as valid names. As far as I can tell, >> the DCOLLECT record descriptors that I am using are the most recent ones on >> the IBM site, even if they are for z/OS 2.1. Any suggestions? Jack, Looks like you have old symbols for DCollect. I will send an offl

Re: There are good bosses and then there are the other kind

Agree completely. What really irked me was bosses who weren’t mainframe literate who thought they had a better grasp of what and how to solve mainframe issues. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, September 7, 2023, 12:55 PM, Retired Mainframer <03a485c129c3-dmarc-requ...@listser

Re: There are good bosses and then there are the other kind

Disregard AI at your own peril. OpenAI launches ChatGPT Enterprise, the firm's biggest announcement since ChatGPT. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/28/openai-chatgpt-enterprise-launches.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / sig

Re: z/OSMF and the Old Timer

As always Marna - THANK YOU very much. You are always a treasure trove of information. I am ready to hand the reigns of the temporary HLQ manipulations back to z/OSMF, but am having some difficulties during Job Generation. When I removed my 'unneeded' personal HLQ --- I got 800+ errors that 'yo

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

What was the first OS that you had a 2 MB TSO region?  What hardware. MVT TSO on the 4 MB 360/91 at UCLA was about 3/4 MB .  There was a lot you could do, although it was slow.  I did experiment with overlay modules though.  Bleah. The reason you could do a lot in 3/4 MB is that it was done i

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

We used to use ROSCOE at a small shop in the 80’s because it used less resources. I hated it. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, September 7, 2023, 3:56 PM, Leonard D Woren wrote: What was the first OS that you had a 2 MB TSO region?  What hardware. MVT TSO on the 4 MB 360/91 at

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

If you can explain why without deriding anyone, Bill, I'd be interested in knowing why. I first encountered ROSCOE in 1980 and used it for a while without thinking much about it. When I realized I could change things around in it, I got excited. It was another two years before I was exposed t

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

I had been using TSO/ISPF for a decade mostly at GM, then EDS when GM bought them. Before accepting the job at the small local company (hospital) that used ROSCOE. In my programming days. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, September 7, 2023, 4:41 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: If you can

Re: z/OSMF and the Old Timer

Yet another answer to my own post I stripped out everything to do with the Software instances and deployments related to my Zos25 install. I defined an instance for my new deployment This instance was modeled on my ZOS V2R4 install. The source for the instance is the downloaded ShopZ ZFS.

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

Not a 2 MiB region; that was the installed memory. I don't recall how big our TSO regions were. This was on a 370/165 running OS/360, then upgraded* to a 370/168 running SVS. We had a fixd-head disk, which helped performance. The students ran PL/I and FORTRAN programs on TSO, not just assembler.

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

Hi Bill, You said: "... because it used less resources ..." Shmegegge, you should've said "fewer". That is the correct usage. For a guy who knows so much about about a multitude of topics, it behooves you to write more correctly. It might even increase your credibility. Regards, David On 2023-

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

LOLOLOLOL, I love that you’re obsessed with me. Are you getting enough sleep? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, September 7, 2023, 6:50 PM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Hi Bill, You said: "... because it used less resources ..." Shmegegge, y

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

Ohio, I was at the top in Algebra and Geometry. Early 70’s. I still have the awards program. I’m very proud of it and my Math expertise paid off handsomely. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, September 7, 2023, 6:50 PM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

Hi Bill, According to a recent study, Ohio ranked 36. I'm not so sure I would want to boast about that. Please see: 2023’s States with the Best & Worst School Systems (wallethub.com) Regards, David [https://cdn.wallethub.com/walleth

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

Hi Bill, You said: "... I still have the awards program ..." Please translate this statement into English. Regards, David From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: September 7, 2023 6:59 P

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

English your second language? The program from the awards ceremony. I still have it. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, September 7, 2023, 7:15 PM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Hi Bill, You said: "... I still have the awards program ..." Ple

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

And, they're off again. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* "If dickering won't work, then you have to fight. But I think maybe it takes a man who has been shot at to appreciate how much better it is to fumble your way through a political compromise rather than have th

Re: Ray Mullins on Assembler demand.

On 7/09/2023 1:38 am, Seymour J Metz wrote: With that definition the learning curve is very different. You don't need to learn all the classes to use Java. It obviously helps if you know they are there, but if you know the commonly used classes and know how to find information when you hit a

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

We used it at a bank because of the number of application developers. TSO was reserved for system programmers. Also, it was limited in what you could do with the OS. made sense for the purpose but it was not a lot of fun. It was like being moderated at every turn. TSO, was, Liberating. Ma

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

1972-3. My high school was rated one of the best high schools in America. And just recently received an award for being one of the best again. (Last week) The Ohio rankings are dragged down by white rural MAGA schools and inner city students. The suburban schools in my area are top performers, n

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

I didn’t start it. But, I’ll bet I get the warnings. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, September 7, 2023, 7:21 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: And, they're off again. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* "If dickering won't work, then you have to fight.  But I thi

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

Agree.  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, September 7, 2023, 8:00 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote: We used it at a bank because of the number of application developers.  TSO was reserved for system programmers.  Also, it was limited in what you could do with the OS.  made sense for the

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

UNSUBSCRIBE- I'm OUT! You guys go on far too long about stories no one else is interested in. You should consider taking these drawn out discussions offline. > On 07/09/2023 15:56 EDT Leonard D Woren wrote: > > > What was the first OS that you had a 2 MB TSO region?  What hardware. > > MVT

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

This list is becoming like Tik Tok. Enough. On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 8:37 PM Lance D. Jackson < ljack...@pandrueassociates.com> wrote: > UNSUBSCRIBE- I'm OUT! You guys go on far too long about stories no one > else is interested in. You should consider taking these drawn out > discussions offline

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

I used ROSCOE in a couple of sites. Once you got used to it, it was better than TSO EDIT with the same footprint. RPF was easier to master than ISPF/PDF and it had a lot of similarities with REXX. I regressed back to a DOS/VSE shop for a while. A 4331 with 1 MB of memory. We managed to run CICS w

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

Bill Johnson wrote on 9/7/2023 1:05 PM: We used to use ROSCOE at a small shop in the 80’s because it used less resources. I hated it. ROSCOE was one of a collection of TSO alternatives, which were all junk.  TONE, ACEP, Wylbur, maybe more that I don't remember.  They all had 1 two-pronged de

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

Roscoe was one address space so everything was there when you logged in. Much like using a CICS editor. On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 8:15 PM Leonard D Woren wrote: > > Bill Johnson wrote on 9/7/2023 1:05 PM: > > We used to use ROSCOE at a small shop in the 80’s because it used less > > resources. I h

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

I agree. ROSCOE was clunky & less productive. I’ve never used the other TSO alternatives. I seem to remember vaguely ROSCOE requiring the user to “attach” the member you wanted to edit but that was 35 years ago. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, September 7, 2023, 9:15 PM, Leonard

Re: Ray Mullins on Assembler demand.

There's a difference between "learn" and "use". The original context was learning a language, which is rather vague. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Andrew Rowley Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2023 7:36 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Su

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - Dumps - Early days

You ever work with WYLBUR? Single address space, keeping users from crossing boundaries (RACF, ACF2, Top Secret and WACF). Could edit a library with RECFM=U. So one could keep source there if they wanted. Would, on close compress the PDS to a single extent if it could. Used very low level in

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive - TSO alternatives

TONE was a single-address space player too. I converted a shop from VS1 to MVS/370. On the VS1 machine we had TONE (TSO for VS1). It worked fairly well, other than the fact it was a single address space. I do recall when we went live with MVS/370 on our first weekend test, none of the developers

Re: z/OSMF and the Old Timer

Hi Tom, Glad to see that you are getting back on track. For your catalog question, it sounds like you want to use your existing mcat for your new z/OS V2.5 system. That's fine. If you use your existing mcat, you've got to be using indirect cataloging. That is reasonable, as you'd want to use t