Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIXR Certified

2023-06-05 Thread David Crayford
On 2/6/2023 11:31 pm, René Jansen wrote: What I remember of it is that he was convinced it was a lot slower. He was mistaken! I've tested it out, and QSAM is no match for zFS. You can find the details in this gist: https://gist.github.com/daveyc/14b45d6d70d8dd9af1848e539d78881f. Adding an fs

Re: z/OS Comm Server - LACP?

2023-06-05 Thread Michael Babcock
Thanks Timothy!  I suspected so, but wanted verification.   I don't know why z/OS Comm Server can't support LACP but the OSA cards can (and z/VM).  I'm not a networking guy though. On 6/4/2023 11:33 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote: Michael Babcock asked: Does z/OS Communication Server support LACP?

Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIXR Certified

2023-06-05 Thread Seymour J Metz
Fifteen years ago Unix System Services was already trailing edge and it is hard to explain a refusal to use it on any basis but xenophobia. Does it have warts? Abundantly, but so do many other things that don't get the same reaction. OTOH, benchmarks are tricky things, and it is often easy to ge

Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIXR Certified

2023-06-05 Thread David Crayford
One compelling reason to embrace zFS is its potential for modernization and facilitating the development of contemporary tools. While acknowledging the significance of QSAM, VSAM KSDS, and other older technologies, it is crucial to recognize the advancements made in data structure formats for d

Re: Loss of access to z/VM USER DIRECT - Is there a Recovery path.

2023-06-05 Thread Tom Longfellow
Great Idea. Too bad I cant get into it. Found the L-Soft server, registered my email login. Can see the listing for IBMVM but attempts to even look require that I login --- even though I am already logged in according to the side menu. I hope they can keep that activity level up. I could us

Re: Loss of access to z/VM USER DIRECT - Is there a Recovery path.

2023-06-05 Thread Tom Longfellow
APOLOGIES ALL AROUND. My failing brain cells strike again Been ages since I had to deal with L-Soft emailed command interface. I am getting there. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send e

Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIXR Certified

2023-06-05 Thread kekronbekron
> Interestingly, it is worth noting that there are now numerous IBM z/OS > products that embrace sqlite, with some even integrating it with HLASM. Hey David, Are you able to share the names of such products? Has zOS support been upstreamed to SQLite? I don't remember seeing anything.. - KB

Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIXR Certified

2023-06-05 Thread kekronbekron
> porting RocksDB Is zOS support upstreamed too, by any chance? - KB --- Original Message --- On Monday, June 5th, 2023 at 4:35 PM, David Crayford wrote: > One compelling reason to embrace zFS is its potential for modernization > and facilitating the development of contemporary tools.

Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIXR Certified

2023-06-05 Thread David Crayford
On 5/6/2023 7:40 pm, kekronbekron wrote: Interestingly, it is worth noting that there are now numerous IBM z/OS products that embrace sqlite, with some even integrating it with HLASM. Hey David, Are you able to share the names of such products? You can just google "z/OS sqlite" and you'll ge

Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIXR Certified

2023-06-05 Thread David Crayford
On 5/6/2023 7:42 pm, kekronbekron wrote: porting RocksDB Is zOS support upstreamed too, by any chance? The likelihood of the Meta maintainers accepting a z/OS patch PR is extremely low. Due to z/OS being a niche platform, maintainers tend to be hesitant in accepting patches unless they are s

Re: Loss of access to z/VM USER DIRECT - Is there a Recovery path.

2023-06-05 Thread Steve Thompson
S'all right. There have been a few of us that have been locked out of certain list servers because of some security/tech glitch. That you were able to post to the VM List is goodness. I did see your posting over there. Steve Thompson On 6/5/2023 7:34 AM, Tom Longfellow wrote: APOLOGIES ALL

Re: z/OS Comm Server - LACP?

2023-06-05 Thread Peter Vander Woude
Mike, While z/OS doesn't support LACP, if your networking folks support OSPF areas, you can sort-of setup an environment where the OSPF is balancing the inbound traffic between the various OSA connections and your main IP address's are VIPA's. Long Long ago, when I was running ADSM on z/OS,

Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIXR Certified

2023-06-05 Thread kekronbekron
True, however, I expect it to at least be less difficult than it was in the past. Less difficult that it was with linux/s390x. Some of the key things IBM has done (and is doing) are LinuxONE community cloud, Wazi as a Service (on IBM cloud), and upstreaming LLVM and Golang bits. Icing on the cak

Re: Searching for a process to clean my VTS

2023-06-05 Thread Phil Smith III
Every time I see this thread, I picture someone with a bucket and a sponge, wiping down a tape silo. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INF

Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIXR Certified

2023-06-05 Thread Farley, Peter
Where the performance of the USS file system falls down is in the transfer between z/OS files/data stores and USS files/data stores. Practical experimentation has shown me that the "cp" and "cat" commands are the fastest way to sequentially transfer non-DB2 data using only a pre-written utility

Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIXR Certified

2023-06-05 Thread Lionel B. Dyck
Peter - I believe you'll find that the Co:Z folks, at coztoolkit.com, have tools that may provide the performance improvements that you are looking for. The ZIGI tool will take advantage of their getpds and putpds commands if they are available and achieve significantly improved performance comp

Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIXR Certified

2023-06-05 Thread Farley, Peter
Which is fine for those who have access to those tools; many of us do not have that luxury, nor the permission nor the disk space to "try them out" for ourselves. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lionel B. Dyck Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 11:44 AM To:

Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIXR Certified

2023-06-05 Thread Lionel B. Dyck
Sadly true - perhaps it's time to go over to the https://zosopentools.github.io/meta/#/ and encourage them to enhance the performance of cp - assuming you have permission to use these tools. Lionel B. Dyck <>< Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com Github: https://github.com/lbdyck “Worry more a

CVT or PSA field with ever changing value?

2023-06-05 Thread Binyamin Dissen
Is there some PSA/CVT field that most of the time where it is examined (not talking microseconds here) the value will be different. The existing code copies storage from the home address space. I want to put in code that if the pointer is zero or the length is negative, etc. to copy something that

Re: CVT or PSA field with ever changing value?

2023-06-05 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 6/5/2023 10:03 AM, Binyamin Dissen wrote: Is there some PSA/CVT field that most of the time where it is examined (not talking microseconds here) the value will be different. It seems unlikely the operating system would ever allow dispatched work to observe such a difference. -- Phoenix S

Best practice for /etc and /var when upgrading

2023-06-05 Thread Pew, Curtis G
How do people handle /SYSTEM/etc and /SYSTEM/var when upgrading z/OS? In the past we’ve had these filesystems on an auxiliary volume, so that they remained the same during any upgrades unless we deliberately changed something. For our last upgrade (this past weekend) our management outsourced th

Any one having issues accessing SERVICELINK

2023-06-05 Thread Lopez, Sharon
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Re: Any one having issues accessing SERVICELINK

2023-06-05 Thread Mark Jacobs
I was earlier today, just checked again. I still am. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get&search=markjac...@protonmail.com --- Original Message --- On Monday, June 5th, 2023 at 2:17 PM, Lopez, Shar

Re: Best practice for /etc and /var when upgrading

2023-06-05 Thread Mark Jacobs
We use the same physical file systems from release to release and only update individual files/directories when necessary. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get&search=markjac...@protonmail.com --- Ori

Re: Best practice for /etc and /var when upgrading

2023-06-05 Thread Michael Babcock
Not the best practice.There are steps in the old ServerPac upgrade process that basically says: copy ServerPac supplied etc, run diff against the copy and your existing etc and copy your customized parms/settings to the copy. Mount the copy to use during the upgrade. Or something like that.

Re; CVT or PSA field with ever changing value?

2023-06-05 Thread Phil Smith III
Binyamin Dissen asked: >Is there some PSA/CVT field that most of the time where it is examined (not >talking microseconds here) the value will be different. PSA_TIME_ON_CP? Here's a Rexx snippet that displays it, seems to change every time I run it-not very scientific, but it's described in IHAPS

Re: Best practice for /etc and /var when upgrading

2023-06-05 Thread Mark Zelden
That old serverpac process is what I still use for /etc and /var. Here is a stripped down version of my doc with the steps from z/OS 2.4 to z/OS 2.5 upgrades. This is for /etc, but /var is the exact same thing. I actually do all of this in batch jobs that I mass update from version to version

Problems with IBM Software Download Servers Change

2023-06-05 Thread Mark Zelden
The changes to SMP/E RECEIVE ORDER servers were to take place at the end of May then delayed until last Friday. I was able to receive orders just fine Friday afternoon but today they all fail with: "GIM44336S ** AN UNUSUAL CONDITION OCCURRED" We are configured to use FTPS but I also changed to

Re: Best practice for /etc and /var when upgrading

2023-06-05 Thread Gibney, Dave
No > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Pew, Curtis G > Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 11:01 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Best practice for /etc and /var when upgrading > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] > > How do people handle /SYSTEM/etc and /SYSTEM

Re: Problems with IBM Software Download Servers Change

2023-06-05 Thread Lizette Koehler
I get that often I open a Case to SMP/e support. They can usually let me know what is wrong A couple of times I had to update my NTS Batch job from eccgw01.boulder.ibm.com To ecggw.southdata.ibm.com lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of M

Re: Problems with IBM Software Download Servers Change

2023-06-05 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 13:21:01 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote: >I get that often > >I open a Case to SMP/e support. They can usually let me know what is wrong > >A couple of times I had to update my NTS Batch job from > > eccgw01.boulder.ibm.com > >To >ecggw.southdata.ibm.com > >lizette > Those

Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIXR Certified

2023-06-05 Thread Rick Troth
Porting applications to Linux-s390x has never been particularly difficult. The biggest challenge has always been such things as endianness. Linux-s390x presents the same kernel interface to userland as Linux-i386. Porting to USS has (at least) two significant hurdles: EBCDIC and a different sy

Re: Re; CVT or PSA field with ever changing value?

2023-06-05 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 6/5/2023 11:57 AM, Phil Smith III wrote: PSA_TIME_ON_CP? Here's a Rexx snippet that displays it, seems to change every time I run it-not very scientific, but it's described in IHAPSA as "Current SRB's accumulated CPU time on a standard CP": /* REXX */ say 'PSA_TIME_ON_CP:' c2x(storage('650',

Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIX® Certified

2023-06-05 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 16:55:45 -0400, Rick Troth wrote: > >Porting applications to Linux-s390x has never been particularly difficult. >The biggest challenge has always been such things as endianness. > How serious is that? It has caused me problems only with careless type-punning. >... >Porting

Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIX® Certified

2023-06-05 Thread Rick Troth
On 6/5/23 18:55, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 16:55:45 -0400, Rick Troth wrote: Porting applications to Linux-s390x has never been particularly difficult. The biggest challenge has always been such things as endianness. How serious is that? It has caused me problems only with care

Re: z/OS Comm Server - LACP?

2023-06-05 Thread Michael Babcock
Unfortunately our network guys are not in a position to move to OSPF yet. On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 9:07 AM Peter Vander Woude wrote: > Mike, > > While z/OS doesn't support LACP, if your networking folks support OSPF > areas, you can sort-of setup an environment where the OSPF is balancing the > in

Re: CVT or PSA field with ever changing value?

2023-06-05 Thread Tom Marchant
My first guess would be one of the old PSWs -- Tom Marchant On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 20:03:06 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: >Is there some PSA/CVT field that most of the time where it is examined (not >talking microseconds here) the value will be different.

Re: Best practice for /etc and /var when upgrading

2023-06-05 Thread kekronbekron
I do wonder... with git now available, and this being normal USS, maybe zOSMF can start formally adopting/requiring git. Then, moving updates from these files onto newer versions is a matter of applying git patches on the new ones, where possible. Something that the zOSMF UI can accomodate. Do l

Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIXR Certified

2023-06-05 Thread kekronbekron
> Porting applications to Linux-s390x has never been particularly difficult. It starts getting hairy when attempts are made for vectorized apps, or other acceleration frameworks that are available for x86 Intel or AMD. Can't port all of them but maybe need to re-create them, to have the same cap

Re: Best practice for /etc and /var when upgrading

2023-06-05 Thread Brian Westerman
I do a lot of upgrades for many sites and it's pretty rare that I replace /etc or /var. I would never do it causally and It does happen VERY occasionally, but normally you can tell in the apply jobs (for maintenace updates) what has changed and running DIFF is always a good idea, but I really d