Re: Missing Values For The 'SDSF DA' Panels - z/OS 2.5

2023-02-18 Thread Rob Scott
There is a recent APAR (OH49573) that addresses an issue with SDSF being started before CMF and it should mean that you should not have to restart SDSF/SDSFAUX in order for subsequent availability to be recognised. RMF returns 79-1 records even when its address space is down, so the SDSF DA pan

Re: [EXTERNAL] Flashcopy dataset example

2023-02-18 Thread Bill Giannelli
hi rex, yes we have those utilities. But as far as your other questions, I have no idea. I am not a storage systems guy. I think what I was after is the "dump" and "restore" commands. thanks Bill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signo

Re: CLIST for APF and link list datasets

2023-02-18 Thread Bill Giannelli
both those options fail for me. The IPLINFO displays some info then fails at "Call SPLIT_IPA_PAGE". The SHOWZOS is not found. thanks Bill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@l

Re: How long for an experiened z/OS sysprog to come up to speed on a new environment?

2023-02-18 Thread Paul Gorlinsky
As a z/VM sysprog independant contractor for 30+ years, IMHO this is not a question that can be definitively answered. The term sysprog has an extremely wide set of standards. For example, a sysprog from blue's GS division is typically an installer, customizer, data gatherer, etc. only for zOS

Re: How long for an experiened z/OS sysprog to come up to speed on a new environment?

2023-02-18 Thread Paul Gorlinsky
make that z/VM, z/VSE, z/OS systems programmer ... BTW I also managed Dr. Amdahl's last CPU development effort at Andor Systems and I developed and market a FICON Virtual Tape Server ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / arc

Re: How long for an experiened z/OS sysprog to come up to speed on a new environment?

2023-02-18 Thread Colin Paice
As an MQ developer, I was at a customer who was interviewing contractors for a couple of MQ positions. We asked a couple of good meaty open ended questions, and listened to how they answered it. Some guys had good qualifications but little experience and tried blagging their way through. Some oth

Re: Missing Values For The 'SDSF DA' Panels - z/OS 2.5

2023-02-18 Thread Jay Maynard
Am I the only one who remembers the original Sysout Display and Search Facility FDP and marvels at what SDSF has become? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu wit

Re: Missing Values For The 'SDSF DA' Panels - z/OS 2.5

2023-02-18 Thread Mike Shaw
Everyone,: Brian Western, who is active on this forum, did some of the coding on SDSF in its infancy when he was still a teenager. He has a good story to tell about it if you can get it out of him. Mike Shaw MVS/ QuickRef Support Chicago-Soft, Ltd On Sat, Feb 18, 2023, 10:54 AM Jay Maynard wro

Re: Missing Values For The 'SDSF DA' Panels - z/OS 2.5

2023-02-18 Thread Mike Shaw
I meant Brian Westerman...sorry. Mike On Sat, Feb 18, 2023, 11:25 AM Mike Shaw wrote: > Everyone,: > > Brian Western, who is active on this forum, did some of the coding on SDSF > in its infancy when he was still a teenager. He has a good story to tell > about it if you can get it out of him.

Re: Missing Values For The 'SDSF DA' Panels - z/OS 2.5

2023-02-18 Thread Tom Brennan
I like what it's become of course, but I sometimes wonder why. Are they trying to be something like Omegamon? On 2/18/2023 7:54 AM, Jay Maynard wrote: Am I the only one who remembers the original Sysout Display and Search Facility FDP and marvels at what SDSF has become? -

Re: Missing Values For The 'SDSF DA' Panels - z/OS 2.5

2023-02-18 Thread Rob Scott
Tom Our current product trajectory is to compliment both Omegamon and RMF rather than attempt to replace either. I see SDSF as a system information toolkit rather than a performance monitor. SDSF does not have the richness of data that Omegamon captures and does not really step into the thresh

Re: Missing Values For The 'SDSF DA' Panels - z/OS 2.5

2023-02-18 Thread Tom Brennan
And just to be clear, I wasn't complaining. This stuff is super helpful and I think it started in SDSF long before Rocket got hold of it. Another one (again no complaints) is the PDS command which has various functions unrelated to a PDS. It's like the most popular programs have expanded to

Re: [EXTERNAL] Flashcopy dataset example

2023-02-18 Thread Pommier, Rex
Bill, Dump and restore is a different animal. Dump creates a backup copy in DFDSS format so it will NOT use flashcopy because it has to reformat the data into the DFDSS format. Restore takes the dump file and rebuilds the original dataset. COPY is what will use flashcopy if you're set up for

Re: Missing Values For The 'SDSF DA' Panels - z/OS 2.5

2023-02-18 Thread rpinion865
I remember, and remember using the output TSO command to sysout. Sent from Proton Mail mobile Original Message On Feb 18, 2023, 10:54 AM, Jay Maynard wrote: > Am I the only one who remembers the original Sysout Display and Search > Facility FDP and marvels at what SDSF has bec

Re: How long for an experiened z/OS sysprog to come up to speed on a new environment?

2023-02-18 Thread Brian Westerman
I think you guys are mixing up being productive after the first day with being able to take everything over and run the site by yourself. And remember this isn't a test, it's just asking for our personal opinions of our personal experience. There are all types an levels of systems programmers,

Re: How long for an experiened z/OS sysprog to come up to speed on a new environment?

2023-02-18 Thread Laurence Chiu
That indeed is the crux of the matter. When we were advised by the incumbent outsourcing the backlog of work that is urgent would take so long to deliver we suggested we could add additional staff. To which the response was it would take at least 6 months for even an experienced systems programmer

Re: Missing Values For The 'SDSF DA' Panels - z/OS 2.5

2023-02-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
No. And I once saw Werner Buchholz (z"l) posting on this list; I'd be surprised if anybody here goes further back than him. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf

Re: How long for an experiened z/OS sysprog to come up to speed on a new environment?

2023-02-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
I've been able to be productive on the first day for things that didn't require institutional knowledge, but I've never picked up all of the non technical things anywhere near that quickly. I've also never taken as long as 6 months. But if the installation is a real mare's nest, all bets are off

Re: BSAM Read 31 bit mode

2023-02-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
What is on your SYSSTATE? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Joseph Reichman [reichman...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2023 3:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LI