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Gentlemen,
First I want to thank you for your
Gentlemen,
First I want to thank you for your explanations, I appreciate it.
It seems I read wrong documentation, that mean the documentation was OK,
but it described older "character sets" than used in S/360 family. I
read many web sites and the most popular description of "IBM code" was
simi
I thought that vintage green (& other) cards had the actual card-punch rows
listed, and it turns out that is true:
http://weblog.ceicher.com/archives/IBM360greencard.pdf
sas
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 4:10 PM Tom Marchant <
000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Jun 2020
On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 15:10:20 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote:
>On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 16:58:03 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>
>>I don't understand the table at:
>>https://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~jones/cards/codes.html
>>
>>The column labels 12, 11, 10, (blank) appear redundantly on the
>>second and fou
On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 16:58:03 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>I don't understand the table at:
>https://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~jones/cards/codes.html
>
>The column labels 12, 11, 10, (blank) appear redundantly on the
>second and fourth quadrants.
You might find the chart on page 150.3 of
http
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Up until a couple of weeks ago I had a full box of 2000 that I absconded with
in the early 90's. Now I'm down to about 1900.
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Up until a couple of weeks ago I had a full box of 2000 that I absconded with
in the early 90's. Now I'm down to about 1900.
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Peter, you may want to go to eBay and/or Amazon and price punch cards. You
may be able to make a buck or two on those in your attic. I looked at this
a while ago - thought I might want to use some old ones for notepads and
bookmarks, and found they're now considered antique arcana. I'm looking
n
onal) object code record, preceding ESD, TXT, RLD or
> END? I still think of it as "12-2-9.")
>
> Charles
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On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 21:38:56 +, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>My favorite OT theme. Related in my mind. The diameter of the original space
>shuttle booster rocket was an odd value determined as follows:
>
>-- The booster was built in rural Utah
>-- To reach the eventual launch pad, it had to trave
On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 16:42:18 -0500, Bill Godfrey wrote:
>If "S" was assigned the 0 and 2 rows because 0 and 1 were too close together,
>then
>why was "/" given rows 0 and 1? Does that punch a hole in this theory? GD&R
>
And there'sa whole row of 7-8 (sparsely populated).
I don't understand the ta
t thought to be common characters.
Charles
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If "S"
s of course contained non-alphanumeric punches. The X'02' that
>begins each (traditional) object code record, preceding ESD, TXT, RLD or END?
>I still think of it as "12-2-9.")
>
>Charles
>
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rles Mills
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"Laced" (every hold punched) cards were an amusing bulletin board item.
And yes, I believe I heard at the time @Jesse's premise a
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That's plausible, I think. While there are plenty of adjacent punches in
the full 256-characters, I'm sure most cards were mostly alphanumeric only,
and it might pay to make them as stro
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That's plausible, I think. While there are plenty of adjacent punches in
the full 256-characters, I'm sure most cards were mostly alphanumeric only,
and it might pay to make them as strong as possible. I remember seeing
some cards
That's plausible, I think. While there are plenty of adjacent punches in
the full 256-characters, I'm sure most cards were mostly alphanumeric only,
and it might pay to make them as strong as possible. I remember seeing
some cards that were punched in every position; those were very delicate,
and
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I haven't seen this mentioned. The punch card codes for letters went like this:
A - I rows 1 - 9
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On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 15:14:33 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote:
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>Some card readers supported Column Binary or Card Image
On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 15:14:33 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote:
>
>Some card readers supported Column Binary or Card Image mode, and in
>this case a card record was 160 bytes with each column mapped to the
>low-order 6 bits of two adjacent bytes. I think there were some other
>variations for this mapping.
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On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 10:20, R.S. wrote:
> As far as I k
On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 10:20, R.S. wrote:
> As far as I know, a character set on punched cards was somehow limited,
> so it is not EBCDIC or similar set of 256 characters.
No, not at all. In fact in a way the opposite is true - a punched card
column can contain way more than 256 values. There are
machine, so that day was a bust for me.
Peter
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UNIVAC initially used 90 column cards; they
On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 15:48:23 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>That's what the multipunch icon is for.
>
Doesn't seem to work.
Rats! It won't let me paste from my Mac clipboard.
>
>From: Paul Gilmartin
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>
>>In this day and
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> On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 08:39:47 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
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> >> thousands of punched cards with no real way to read them anymore
> >
> >In this day and age it should be pr
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On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 08:39:47 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
>> thousands of punched cards with no real way to read them anymore
>
>In this day and age it should be pretty trivial to write so
On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 08:39:47 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
>> thousands of punched cards with no real way to read them anymore
>
>In this day and age it should be pretty trivial to write software that would
>encode a scanned image of a punched card.
>
https://www.masswerk.at/cardreader/
... and you
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Behalf Of Mazer Ken G
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Here's a site that may have more info for your reading pleasure,
http://www.punchcardreader.com/
I have used this service to decode several hundred punch
Subject: Re: Punched cards and character set
Radoslaw,
In the IBM world, all possible EBCDIC characters (all 256) were possible to
punch into physical cards, but punching any characters not on the keypunch
machine's keyboard (like lower-case letters) required using the
"multi-punch" k
Here's a site that may have more info for your reading pleasure,
http://www.punchcardreader.com/
I have used this service to decode several hundred punched cards several years
ago.
The historical society that I'm a member of has thousands of punched cards with
no real way to read them anymore.
Paul Gilmartin [000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
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On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 16:19:45 +0200, R.S. wrote:
>
>Q1: how it was in the past? I mean, were the DD * limited to "pu
ason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
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>Radoslaw,In the IBM world, all possible EBCDIC characters (all 256) were
>possible to punch into physical cards, but punching any characters not on the
>keypunch mach
First, my experience is limited to Holerith (80 column) cards; no 90 column or
96 column cards.
Before S/360 there were several different encodings, both as to what hole
combinations corresponded to what characters and as to what characters
corresponded to what numbers. The decimal machines use
https://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~jones/cards/codes.html Charles
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Radoslaw,In the IBM world, all possi
Radoslaw,
In the IBM world, all possible EBCDIC characters (all 256) were possible to
punch into physical cards, but punching any characters not on the keypunch
machine's keyboard (like lower-case letters) required using the "multi-punch"
key (or on older keypunch machines, physically holding t
On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 16:19:45 +0200, R.S. wrote:
>
>Q1: how it was in the past? I mean, were the DD * limited to "punched
>card" character set? Or it was always full EBCDIC if the job was read
>from DASD?
>
I believe EBCDIC cards supported the full 256-character set. It was
possible to have SYSPUNC
Hollerith code - used to have a template to read the punched cards that didn't
have the characters printed along the top ( above each punched column )
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