On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:17:01 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>None of those will do what the OP asked for, although there are nonstandard
>3270 simulators that will allow him to fake it.
>
Actually, no, because ISPF conceals from the emulator the number of
characters counted by the RDW
>_
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On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 19:55:19 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> When I care, I set NULLS OFF, or use the spacebar.
>
>That&#
On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 19:55:19 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> When I care, I set NULLS OFF, or use the spacebar.
>
>That's the right answer to the wrong question. You were asking about the
>ability to insert a blank in the middle of a string of nulls.
>
No, I asked about adding a blank at the en
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On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:53:37 +, Seymour J Metz wrote
On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:53:37 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> Does it matter?
>
>Not if you don't care whether the text is in the right column in your previous
>request.
>
When I care, I set NULLS OFF, or use the spacebar. Usually it doesn't matter
to me --
Rexx, C, shell script, ...
>> I accep
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On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 17:39:09 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> Why not? The host should transmit characters counted by th
On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 17:39:09 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> Why not? The host should transmit characters counted by the RDW, then NULs
>> to the end
>> of the field. Characters typed over those NULs would be returned to the
>> host on Read
>> Modified; the NULs ignored.
>
>Yes, ignored, not t
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On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:59:45 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> It should be intuitive: add blanks by positioning the cursor at the end of
>> the
>> line and pressing the spacebar.
&g
On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:59:45 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> It should be intuitive: add blanks by positioning the cursor at the end of
>> the
>> line and pressing the spacebar.
>
>Be careful what you ask for; you might get it. At which point IBM will get
>mobs armed with pitchforks and torches.
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On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 7:01 PM Paul Gilmartin <
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> On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 14:46:20 -0400, Steve Smith wrote:
>
> >Trying out Relson-style replying today:
> >
> It has been the classical recommendation for decades.
>
Ah well, I'm pretty lazy when i
On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 23:46:59 +, Edward Finnell wrote:
> https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.f54em00/nulls.htm
>
That appears to be describing output to an unprotected field, not input
to Edit. I've found Edit to generally strip trailing blanks If ther
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.f54em00/nulls.htm
In a message dated 8/10/2019 6:40:39 PM Central Standard Time,
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Don't keep me in suspense. What's the trick?
-
On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 14:46:20 -0400, Steve Smith wrote:
>Trying out Relson-style replying today:
>
It has been the classical recommendation for decades.
>>"...how can I append trailing blanks to a record in an existing file ..."
>>
>Adding blanks to the end of a VB line is admittedly onerous (yet I
For some reason I got pulled into a battle between keypunch supervisor and
operations manager over 'numerous key errors'. Ended up programming a 3-drum
029 solution that would tab and verify to the correct fields. Happy campers for
a long time 'til somebody lost one of the drums.
In a message
crypt like everyone is.’
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Il va sans dire. The point remains that for file
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Il va sans dire. The point remains that for file types with no wird-in
restrictions on line length, F is an abomination and only VB is user
Trying out Relson-style replying today:
>"...how can I append trailing blanks to a record in an existing file ..."
Adding blanks to the end of a VB line is admittedly onerous (yet I figured
it out in 2 minutes), but as no one ever needs to do that, it hardly
matters.
>"... the editor saves change
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Well, the editor saves changes in progress to a temporary file
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> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 15:08:09 -0400, Tom Conley wrote:
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On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 15:08:09 -0400, Tom Conley wrote:
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>PRESERVE ON/OFF controls what the editor does with trailing blanks in a
>VB record. P
ISPF was Nulls On/Off STD. Had a couple of hot-shot programmers who found they
could change some variable in ISPPROF to let them do admin things in QMF.
Worked 'til they went in with Nulls on. The ISPPROF members are tagged with
length to next variable and produced spaghettios.
In a message d
On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 15:08:09 -0400, Tom Conley wrote:
>
>PRESERVE ON/OFF controls what the editor does with trailing blanks in a
>VB record. PRESERVE ON will preserve any REAL trailing blanks (based on
>RDW), PRESERVE OFF will truncate any trailing blanks. I'm good with
>PRESERVE OFF. Isn't that
I was explaining how to change option 1's displaying VIEW back to
displaying the original BROWSE panel.
EDIT is ISPF main panel option 2 (and VIEW uses EDIT panels
ISREDDE2/3/4/5, unless you copy/alias original panel ISREDDE as
ISREDDE2/3/4/5 above them in the ISPPLIB concat.)
On 08/08/2019 1
On 8/8/2019 2:35 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 18:15:10 +0100, CM Poncelet wrote:
...
1,'PGM(ISRBRO) PARM(ISRBRO01)' *< Change it to
this in your ISR@PRIM panel to use BROWSE instead of VIEW as default*
...
Are you saying that making that change wil
Wrong.
On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 12:37 PM Paul Gilmartin <
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 08:46:02 -0400, Steve Smith wrote:
> ... However, Edit will trim trailing
> >blanks from all records on save, unless you prevent it from doing so.
> >
> ... and ther
On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 18:15:10 +0100, CM Poncelet wrote:
>...
> 1,'PGM(ISRBRO) PARM(ISRBRO01)' *< Change it to
>this in your ISR@PRIM panel to use BROWSE instead of VIEW as default*
>...
Are you saying that making that change will prevent Edit's trimming trailing
blanks on
%--- ISPF/PDF PRIMARY OPTION MENU
%OPTION
===>_ZCMD +
% +USERID -
&ZUSER
% 0 +ISPF PARMS - Specify terminal and user parameters
On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 08:46:02 -0400, Steve Smith wrote:
>Option 1 defaults to "View" mode, which is like Edit. You can force it to
>Browse mode on the entry screen, which will be what you get with the "B"
>operator.
>
>View. like Edit, shows blanks all the way to the maximum LRECL, even if
>they're
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The apparent trailing blanks are an illusion. Whether the lines on the screen
have trailing blanks or nulls is an
The apparent trailing blanks are an illusion. Whether the lines on the
screen have trailing blanks or nulls is an option you or your installation
set. I suspect if the file actually has trailing blanks, those will be on
the screen, but I have no reason or desire to test it.
It's useful to think
If it doesn’t pad out the lines, how would you write into those records, after
the last character (defined by the RDW)?
This would be why, in my best guess, it is done like that with edit.
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> On Aug 8, 2019,
Subject: ISPF Question - browsing variable length records
Good morning folks
Nothing urgent, but a question that has been nagging me for some time.
If I browse a variable length file using ISPF Option #1, and view with HEX
ON, I see the record appears to be padded out to the maximum record length
On 2019-08-08 10:46 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
View. like Edit, shows blanks all the way to the maximum LRECL, even if
they're not there. I don't know why.
Steve, I'd genuinely be surprised if you don't know why.
Surely the simplest editor design is to provide an area as large as the
record can
Well, I'll be darned!
Yep, selected Browse, and voila no trailing spaces.
Thanks
On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 8:46 AM Steve Smith wrote:
> Option 1 defaults to "View" mode, which is like Edit. You can force it to
> Browse mode on the entry screen, which will be what you get with the "B"
> operat
Option 1 defaults to "View" mode, which is like Edit. You can force it to
Browse mode on the entry screen, which will be what you get with the "B"
operator.
View. like Edit, shows blanks all the way to the maximum LRECL, even if
they're not there. I don't know why. However, Edit will trim trail
Good morning folks
Nothing urgent, but a question that has been nagging me for some time.
If I browse a variable length file using ISPF Option #1, and view with HEX
ON, I see the record appears to be padded out to the maximum record length
with spaces.
However, if I browse the file by selecting it
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