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> I like the EzNoSQL additions for COBOL and python. Should be a lot of fun to
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>Also Jupyter notebooks on z/OS. Most interesting.
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>Re slashes: they have a LOT of meaning in IBM-land. That's why it's a z900
>(z9, z17, whatever) that runs z/OS, z/VM, etc.: slash = software, no
>slash=hardware. Nowadays. At least on Z...and nowadays, parts of IB
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Re slashes: they have a LOT of meaning in IBM-land. That's why it's a z900 (z9,
z17, whatever) that runs z/OS, z/VM, etc.: slash = software, no slash=hardware.
Nowadays. At least on Z...and nowadays, parts of IBM haven't got the memo and
get it wrong, too, and the old gua
ariations), there was some marketing
conflation of hardware and software. Does anyone remember IBM's PS2, i.e. a
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PS2. But ask anyone now what PS2
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I don't recall IMS being called DB1, but didn't IMS have as it's language, DL1?
So there may be some validity to calling the new one Db2 just to differentiate
it?
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That's what I always heard. Might be lost in the mists of time...!
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I thought DB2 gained its 2 from being the database systems after IMS (DB1?)
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s), there was some marketing
conflation of hardware and software. Does anyone remember IBM's PS2, i.e. a
new IBM PC with Microchannel and 32-bit architecture), except not called a
PC because that term had quickly become generic)? OS/2 was the OS for the
PS2. But ask anyone now what PS2 means
"DB2" (now "Db2"). Never had a slash AFAIK.
Since we're discussing names...
I always wanted "DB2 for OS/2", aka OS/DB (OS divided by 2 x DB x 2 = OS
divided by DB, right?)
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further.
The /ESAs make sense--same as /XA. Or /SP, for that matter. Those were at least
meaningful suffixes! /E, not so much.
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VMSES/E, too. And I'm pretty sure there were more. But yeah, prolly goes back
further.
The /ESAs make sense--same as /XA. Or /SP, for that matter. Those were at least
meaningful suffixes! /E, not so much.
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LRECL merged
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FILE DATA.
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W dniu 11.07.2025 o 23:06, Jim Elliott pisze:
I have updated my CMOS Processor Table
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Nice! But it says G16 for the z17.
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I have updated my CMOS Processor Table
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and also fixed all the links that IBM broke in their website reorg. Some of
the older information is no longer available so I substituted the closest
link that I could find. I b
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g PC-ss was simple and reliable for an environment that demanded
reliability plus we didn't introduce 1 more customization step. Prior to the
AOEXEC command, customers used the TSO CONSOLE command which had many
drawbacks.
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t porting OOREXX without losing
functionality and why IBM will not be porting it because everything the
original developers need is already available in TSO.
One of the complaints about REXX is that calling a REXX exec creates a unique
instance of the exec. From OOREXX, you can make calls t
ix-related issues for
defining an environment.
That said, It is tied to C++, so a bridge is required.
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about having "another address space" on their system so you can (sort of)
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process is not a TSO address space with multiple activities. It's not a CICS or
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>>Why would you want to write your own TMP?
>Oh:
Gemini says: TMP (Terminal Monitor Program): The TMP is a crucial service
routine within TSO/E. Its primary function is to:
Gemini says: Writing a TSO TMP" can be a bit of a misnomer, or at least, needs
clarification.
Gemini s
On 22.06.2025 03:45, Jon Perryman wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 10:41:14 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
Nonsense. IBM created OREXX for OS/2 and m$ windows;
ooRexx is the open source version that replaced it and is not limited to
Unix-like systems.
The builtin classes are highly useful outside on
g pointers instead
of documented command text.
I don't see it as dangerous, if the programmer understands and
rigorously follows the rules for doing it safely. In particular, if
you don't know the rules to do it safely, don't use this.
If it's not documented, then ven
On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 10:41:14 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>Nonsense. IBM created OREXX for OS/2 and m$ windows;
>ooRexx is the open source version that replaced it and is not limited to
>Unix-like systems.
>The builtin classes are highly useful outside on *ix.
Again, wasting my
that
there's not a lot to do, but absent proprietary documentation i have no way to
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>>>3270 data streams is still a thng, but IBM didn't document the TMP for TSO/E
>>>for customer.
>>
>>TPUT and TGET are documented. TPUT NOEDIT sends the nmmodified data to the
>>3270.
>
&g
material to irrelevant clients.
This is a fully secured API. Very few AUTHPGM's are defined. I suspect the
documentation is buried where experts most likely will find it. No sense in
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>3270 data str
t. Realize that TSO can be dubbed but that does not
function fully as a Unix address space (BPXAS).
>With TSO/E IBM added several new functions that they chose not
>to document the workings of or provide APIs for. Notably, the REXX
>interface to TSO/E is not fully documented.
Adding new R
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>3270 data streams is still a thng, but IBM didn't document the TMP for TSO/E
>for customer.
TPUT and TGET are documented. TPUT NOEDIT sends the unmodified data to the
3270. TGET documents full screen versus single lines.
The TMP resets RSAPF after suspending parallel tasks. Well documented and it's
up to you to create integrity exposures.
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I have copies of that, and bitsavers has
<https://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/os/tso/GC28-6764-2_TSO_Guide_to_Writing_a_Terminal_Monitor_Program_or_a_Command_Processor_OS_Release_21.6_Aug1972.pdf>
<https://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/os/tso/
missing. what I miss most are ITERATE and
> LEAVE naming a variable exposed from a calling function.
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it!
GC28-6764-2_TSO_Guide_to_Writing_a_Terminal_Monitor_Program_or_a_Command_Processor_OS_Release_21.6_Aug1972.pdf
is pretty old, but will have most of the good stuff.
On Sat, 21 Jun 2025, 01:15 Seymour J Metz, wrote:
> 3270 data streams is still a thng, but IBM didn't document the T
during /the unpleasantness/ :-(
> >
> > Roops
> > p.s. Found
> > it!
> >
> GC28-6764-2_TSO_Guide_to_Writing_a_Terminal_Monitor_Program_or_a_Command_Processor_OS_Release_21.6_Aug1972.pdf
> > is pretty old, but will have most of the good stuff.
> >
>
it was
> lost years later during /the unpleasantness/ :-(
>
> Roops
> p.s. Found
> it!
> GC28-6764-2_TSO_Guide_to_Writing_a_Terminal_Monitor_Program_or_a_Command_Processor_OS_Release_21.6_Aug1972.pdf
> is pretty old, but will have most of the good stuff.
>
Yes... but. With
On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 00:43:33 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>Take another look; that's the REXX compiler, a separate product.
>
Of course IBM charges extra for standards compliance/
Probably without SIGNAL ON NOTREADY.
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≥
>I
If you call the shell from TSO then your REXX script should be able to do
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Take another look; that's the REXX compiler, a separate product.
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It's the buffer that's flushed, not the stack, anf it's when you do the charin
or linein following the prompt.
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3270 data streams is still a thng, but IBM didn't document the TMP for TSO/E
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t; All of charin, charout, linein, lineout and stream.
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> call lineout , 'Hello world!'
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> call charout( , 'Prompt: ' ) /* Handles that nicely. */
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All of charin, charout, linein, lineout and stream.
call lineout , 'Hello world!'
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t;provision for automatically flushing it.
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And some want to be able to type a reply on the same line as the prompt.
call charout( , 'Prompt: ' ) /* Handles that nicely. */
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Roops
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> What's wrong with ANSI stream I/O?
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am assuming they mean “previously allocated in this
step/foreground session” (that would be subject to testing, of course, but it
seems like a reasonable interpretation to me).
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>IBM has not implemented stream I/O for TSO. If they ever do implement it then
>i would expect a chrout() or lineout() with an omitted name to go to the top
>output element on the stack, via PUTLINE.
>
Is that ANSI? Re
isplay on Terminal."
> >
> >That still makes more sense than "SAY" in REXX
>
> What would be a better word than "SAY"? Not making sense is a good thing
> because it's environment dependent. UNIX stdout, batch sysout, TSO putline
> (I think), CICS
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>Not true – See
>https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/3.1.0?topic=concept-tsoe-rexx-stream-io-implementation
>
>STREAM, CHARIN, CHAROUT, LINEIN, LINEOUT are all supported by the Rexx library.
>
Thanks. I haven't been keepin
IBM has not implemented stream I/O for TSO. If they ever do implement it then i
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Not true – See
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/3.1.0?topic=concept-tsoe-rexx-stream-io-implementation
STREAM, CHARIN, CHAROUT, LINEIN, LINEOUT are all supported by the Rexx library.
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What's wrong with ANSI stream I/O?
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se than "SAY" in REXX
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Nonsense. IBM created OREXX for OS/2 and m$ windows; ooRexx is the open source
version that replaced it and is not limited to Unix-like systems. The builtin
classes are highly useful outside on *ix.
There are a couple of issues, however, with completely replacing TSO/E REXX
with ooRexx
1 . A
xx ???? and more.
In the past, someone asked for IBM to create an OOREXX. Writing OOREXX was the
simple part of the design. IBM provides everything needed for each environment
and it's up to the OOREXX developers to implement the desired environment
compatible. Many of things we di
ot;SAY"? Not making sense is a good thing
because it's environment dependent. UNIX stdout, batch sysout, TSO putline (I
think), CICS & IMS , sysrexx and more.
In the past, someone asked for IBM to create an OOREXX. Writing OOREXX was the
simple part of the design. IBM pro
Say what??
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and an editor italicizes pathnames.
>I don't do BASIC, but I do Perl.
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On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 14:43:56 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>And here I thought that there were only four three stooges. Thanks.
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Akin to "the increasingly inaccurately named Hitchhiker's Trilogy"
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And here I thought that there were only four three stooges. Thanks.
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And don't forget the two Joes and Curly Joe! There were six named Stooges
played by seven people over the run.
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Printer") but Wikipedia and a raft of IBM web pages seem to think it's "Presentation". To
muddy the waters further, documents like
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/i/7.4.0?topic=streams-advanced-function-presentation-data-stream
use the "Presentation" word but then
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Say makes more sense than Larry, Curly and Moe being the only stooges counted.
What is Shemp, chopped liver?
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70YWbuO0&t=23s
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They fixed it!:
522 $ uname -s; man say | head
Darwin
SAY(1) Speech Synthesis Manager SAY(1)
NAME
say - Convert text to audible speech
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On 6/18/2025 8:43 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
And in BASIC, "PRINT" (still) means "Display on Terminal."
That still makes more sense than "SAY" in REXX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqi70YWbuO0&t=23s
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