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You don't use templates
I certainly do use templates. Not sure how you get
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mån 2021-04-05 klockan 16:30 + skrev Farley, Peter x23353:
> True. There is m4 in *ix systems and going back a long time there
> was ML/1 (I think there was an academic book published on that one, I
> think I have a copy somewhere around here). Undoubtedly others I do
> not know of or remembe
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> I certainly do use templates. Not sure how you get "don't use template
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> Actually, th
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> Actually, the lack of a metalanguage is the norm except for assemblers; PL/I
> is an exception in that regard. Ada, Go, Java, Perl, Python, Ruby, Raku (Perl
> 6), Rust, etc., lack metalanguages.
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>> But IMHO none easy to learn or use.
> I am generally not a fan of meta languages at all. I think writing programs
> is hard enough, without having to write two effect
a constant.
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hi,
m4 is text substitution. 25 years ago we used it to create web pages. The same text to create the
web and a a paper version. when you give some company "flyer" (5 pages) to clients, you may be
interested to have semantically very similar info in the web, don't you.
m4 was also used in the
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The literal answer to your question is COPY. Assembler
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> But IMHO none easy to learn or use.
I am generally not a fan
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>#ifdef WIN32
>static const bool IsZOS = false;
>#else
>static const bool IsZOS = true;
>#endif
>
Hmmm ... Anything that isn't WIN32 is z/OS.
∴ Linux == z/OS;
(Granted, I'm unfamiliar with your environment.)
But I once on a FOSS project ma
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I am helping support a customer that has XBOL which generates COBOL. The
original developer has passed away, but my client has the source. We have had
to make changes for 'gone'
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True. There is m4 in *ix systems and going back a long time there was ML/1 (I
think there was an academic book published on that
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Aren't there "generic" meta languages: meta languages that may be used to
generate any sort of text, i
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>True. There is m4 in *ix systems and going back a long time there was ML/1 (I
>think there was an academic book published on that one, I
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use.
Peter
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Aren't there "generic" meta languages: meta lan
On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 16:30:53 +, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:
>True. There is m4 in *ix systems and going back a long time there was ML/1 (I
>think there was an academic book published on that one, I think I have a copy
>somewhere around here). Undoubtedly others I do not know of or remember.
te, TeX I think it is called.
But IMHO none easy to learn or use.
Peter
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True for the language itself, but at least one ISV addressed that lack -- the
MetaCOBOL product. I have forgotten who the original vendor ISV was - maybe
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The literal answer to your question is COPY. Assembler COPY is completely the
analog of COBOL COPY.
Assembler COPY is less powerful than COBOL COPY: there
construct" a
program at compile time.
Charles
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Warren, that depends slightly. Put a member in some MACLIB. If it is
truly a copybook, then COPY member (not in column 1, I usually put COPY
in 10 and member in 16). If it is truly a macro, then just specify the
name, like IHAPSA DSECT=YES and it will expand (again not in column 1).
Ramsey
Hello,
I've been away for a while. What is the assembly language equivalent for a
COBOL copybook?
Thanks,
Warren
On Monday, March 29, 2021, 11:08:43 AM EDT, Wendell Lovewell
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Hello all.
Does anyone know if Dr Ehrman's excellent
Thanks René!
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> On 31 Mar 2021, at 15:42, Wendell
The book shows the copyright is held by IBM, but it doesn't appear to have a
normal IBM manual number.
Is there anyone from IBM who could do something about this? Maybe get the
source released to a Creative Commons license if they don't plan to update it?
Please?
Wendell
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On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 15:47:21 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>I don't know what the copyright and resource situation is, but I for one would
>appreciater it if IBM were able to do as you ask and to make schools aware of
>it.
>
>FWIW, if you hang #page=foo at the end of a PDF URL, you will get a URL
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Hello all.
Does anyone know if Dr Ehrman's excellent assembler book could be updated for
the new instructions released since 2015? Or, at least refreshed with current
standards for PDF-page generation standards?
What I mean is
Hello all.
Does anyone know if Dr Ehrman's excellent assembler book could be updated for
the new instructions released since 2015? Or, at least refreshed with current
standards for PDF-page generation standards?
What I mean is, it would really be helpful if:
a) The pages in the Table of Cont
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