bined with CVOL
catalogs to ICF.
"complete replacement" of what, specifically? I have heard the
assertion that VSAM was intended to replace all other access
methods: QSAM, BSAM, BPAM, ...
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VTOCs did come first. The original DOS/360 Operating System did not have catalogs.
VTOCs contain not only
VTOCs
and catalogs. I'm guessing it comes down to (a) VTOCs
came first and catalogs were added to solve some problem (what?) and/or (b)
catalogs were added to save some I/O and/or memory, back
when a bit of those mattered. But I'd like to understan
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where it includes gratuitous PROC examples that have nothing to do with
COBOL rather than giving the names of actual COBOL compiler PROCs.
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I guess my question is, do we expect AI to look at COBOL code, and not
simply compile it, but
alues, conversion to
displayable
nanoseconds can result in duplicates.
You need a serialized service common to all participating processes that
returns unique
values in a specified format. Performance may suffer.
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Hello
I am looking for a rexx logic which can multiple RACFID based on one
model
user ?
Does anyone have any sample rexx co
ECFM with RECFM=FBS, and you should get some error
indication like IEB174I if internal short blocks are found.
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On 2023-09-14 13:29, Bill Johnson wrote:
AI will surpass human intelligence.
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On 8/25/23 20:55, Jon Perryman wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 11:57:33 AM PDT, Steve Thompson
wrote:
With Linux distros there are a few maint systems. The one I am
most familiar w
, and if
they persist, eventually have their right to post to the list revoked.
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On 8/9/23 08:50, Bill Johnson wrote:
I figured you’d miss the point. The IBM list is on a public university hosted
platform. Which means it’s funded by public tax dollars, including mine.
Twitter is
ility,
and serviceability it gets from that hardware/software synergy that
makes it an ideal production platform for critical workloads.
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On 8/2/23 22:28, Jon Perryman wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 06:24:15 AM PDT, Rick Troth
wrote:
I think Jon Perryman first
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On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 10:17:03 -0500, Joel C. Ewing > wrote:
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There are so many useful glyphs available in UTF-8 that aren't in any
current 3270 terminal CCSID and which can't be in any 3270 terminal
CCSID without throwing out some o
the file containing UTF-8 data and converts it to the CCSID
of your terminal. If the file is tagged with CCSID 1208 then the E command
automatically does this UTF-8 to terminal codepage conversion. It's up to
you to be using an appropriate terminal codepage for the data you are
editing :
1047, 037, or 037-2 have €? why could neither 037 nor 037-2 have been
used for OMVS?
I remain unpersuaded of any rationale for 1047.
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run at the Windows kernel level is another major potential integrity
exposure in Windows.
Given the number of integrity exposures that Windows allows out of
Microsoft's direct control, It's amazing Windows is as reliable as it is.
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than in the Linux universe, where individuals on multiple volunteer
maintenance teams must first be convinced to support running with
SELinux in "enforcing" mode.
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On 4/11/23 14:22, Rick Troth wrote:
Find out wh
onstant vigilance
against abuse is obviously warranted.
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On 4/10/23 08:50, Bob Bridges wrote:
Or, of course, "Colossus: The Forbin Project", in which the computer
concludes that it must become the world's dictator in order to preserve
mankind from its own idiocies.
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word is modified by
the called routine it can have no side effects back in the calling
routine. That the CALL is passing an integer in a context where
standard linkage conventions would expect a pointer to the integer is
not an issue as long as the called routine expects that usage.
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ramming control constructs and recursive procedures with
dynamic variable storage in Assembly programs.
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On 3/27/23 09:13, Bernd Oppolzer wrote:
DCL X BIN FIXED (31);
CALL SUB ((X));
SUB: PROC (P);
DCL P BIN FIXED (31);
END SUB;
The statement CALL SUB ((X));
creates a du
sing, I would expect the mention of STCK/STCKE in
current instructional texts for Assembler Programming to be even less
likely.
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On 3/25/23 12:29, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 23:35:56 -0500, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
... The STCK and STCKE instructions only provi
ed to study
the PoOP manual.
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On 3/24/23 21:22, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 19:44:32 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote:
How do they accomplish that?
Privileged instruction, like I/O or LPSW or SCK.
In fact, I'm not certain that the clock is protected, but the user
e operating system fully
supports 2042 dates?
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may be a
single file, others a huge number of files; but the smallest unit that
can be replaced by maintenance is always an entire package.
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On 3/15/23 06:24, Seymour J Metz wrote:
They do, however, have the concept of dependency among packages. The
configuration control
ns of datasets on ML2 volumes can
persist for many weeks depending on the RECYCLE threshold for the ML2
volumes.
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On 3/6/23 11:07, Dave Jousma wrote:
All,
We just learned that we have a problem with IAM (Innovation Access Method) the
high perf replacement for VSAM. No ide
ably the concerns in this article are about more conventional data
center power usage.
Joel C. Ewing
On 2/11/23 09:40, Dave Jones wrote:
Recently the BBC posted an article about how the grow in Irish data centers (or "centres"
for the Brits) is causing a possible power crises. Se
To be consistent with rearranging file extents on DASD, it would be more
appropriate to call it a "defrag", or borrow VSAM terminology and just
call it a "reorganize".
Joel C Ewing
On 12/21/22 05:16, David Cole wrote:
The notion of "PDS compression" has a
point of using SSL/TLS is to have secure
transmission in today's environment. To some extent allowed ciphers
can be controlled by configuration files, but you can't allow a
technique when the system lacks support for it.
Joel C Ewing
On 12/10/22 19:05, Charles Mill
ot in the same sysplex, to maintain a unique copy of datasets on
systems where they are needed, and to use a high-speed communication
link between the LPARs to transmit datasets from one system to another
when there is a need to resync those datasets from a production LPAR.
Joel C Ewing
On 11/
ub-optimal blocksize has been chosen.
Joel C Ewing
On 11/24/22 10:14, John Gateley wrote:
The reason for asking the question about bytes on a track is that I am writing
programs to report on all disk datasets.
The first program looks at all on-line disk packs and extracts all format 1, 3,
8 a
o had some peculiar
performance characteristics -- multitrack sequential writes could be
faster than multi-track sequential reads -- And it was possible to get
special alerts indicating the backstore occupancy was getting too high.
Joel C Ewing
On 11/24/22 09:46, Paul Gorlinsky wrote:
Swit
usable bytes per
track. That's where your third value comes from.
Joel C. Ewing
On 11/23/22 07:42, John Gateley wrote:
Hello
On all the disk volumes I have looked at, the format 4 DSCB field DS4DEVTK
(device track length) has the value 58786.
All the IBM documentation says that ther
racted from a PDF
file is to include the complete designation as part of the file name.
Joel C. Ewing
On 10/25/22 14:39, Seymour J Metz wrote:
I tried and did not see SA22-7832-12 anywhere after
Tue 10-25-22 15:30:18{2}[h:\] q:\usr\bin\pdfinfo.exe m:\pdf\ibm\z\a227832c.pdf
Title:
owing the basics of one procedural programming language
serves as a bridge to understanding other programming languages.
Joel C. Ewing
On 9/18/22 08:17, Bob Bridges wrote:
"Emmanuel", indeed :).
I never took Latin (and I was astonished when I learned that my youngest daughter was
Correction: Just realized the z Decimal Floating point is also based on
the IEEE 754 Standard as well, so "IEEE floating point" also includes
decimal floating point and encompasses all the Decimal Floating Point
formats and arithmetic instructions too. Joel C. Ewing
On 8/2
y of hardware BFP support on z machines and was
another barrier to porting applications with floating point data to
z-architecture platforms.
Joel C. Ewing
On 8/21/22 16:10, Grant Taylor wrote:
On 8/21/22 12:17 PM, Dave Jones wrote:
Now I am wondering if, perhaps, the time is right for IBM to
deleted. A data set owner presumably would be OK with loss of
any logically deleted data sets, as from the owners viewpoint they were
already deleted by design. That could significantly reduce the number
of data sets on the remaining ML2 tape volume. that are a concern.
Joel C. Ewing
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er alternatives when they
learned recovery of a specific "lost" data set could potentially be done
from our DR volume backups or by DFHSM "time travel", but would require
some major magic on our test LPAR and the better part of a work day.
Joel C. Ewing
On 7/12/22 21:39,
ork near the storage bins
for the jumper wires, and others could use the 407 with their board
while you were preparing yours.
Joel C Ewing
On 5/30/22 05:33, Seymour J Metz wrote:
I've only seen a 407; did the boards for the other 40x machines have the same
form factor?
You could o
g part of IBM 407 board wiring
was figuring out a clever way to do something, only to find out it
didn't work because you used a section of the control board that
required an optional feature not installed on your specific machine.
Joel C Ewing
On 5/29/22 13:26, Seymour J Metz wrote:
et via the linklist.
Joel C. Ewing
On 4/25/22 12:34, Mark Jacobs wrote:
Datasets in our linklist are APF authorized via LINKAUTH=LNKLST. Is there any
differences on how program fetch behaves if a dataset in the linklist is also
APF authorized in PROGxx as far as modules being fetched from th
the O.U. Math instructors who taught classes for
some of those same programs was a Lloyd Andrew. Iverson (1922-2005)-- as
far as I know, no relation to Ken.
Joel C. Ewing
On 3/25/22 14:38, Charles Mills wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_E._Iverson
Charles
-Original Me
Would potentially be an issue under VM where z/OS thinks it
has multiple physical card readers as well.
Joel C. Ewing
On 3/4/22 10:06, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:29:44 -0600, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
Note also that it has been mentioned before in this forum in other
con
cheduler, which only submits job2 after job1
successfully completes.
Joel C Ewing
On 3/4/22 06:48, Allan Staller wrote:
Classification: Confidential
I know for a fact that we have some jobs that depend on DELAY, because I turned on
NODELAY and it caused an issue. Two jobs with th
on Windows 11.
Joel C Ewing
On 1/16/22 13:28, Charles Mills wrote:
It looks like the answer is No:
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.2.0?topic=syntax-racdcert-add-add-certific
ate#le-add__pkcs712
If you are open to an off-Z solution, I think OpenSSL on Windows or Linux
may be able split up the p
the complete program. They are
part of the process of generating the statements for the full program,
not actually part of the final program.
Joel C Ewing
On 1/7/22 06:57, Rony G. Flatscher wrote:
On 07.01.2022 03:00, Bob Bridges wrote:
I usually include JCL under the ~very~ general
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st a matter
of mis-configuration, not a rogue phishing website or a
man-in-the-middle compromise. On Firefox, if you know to do it, you can
click to look at certificate details and get the same information, but
that requires more user effort and awareness.
So all three of these major browser
at the browser level is a
better solution, but does require the fallback capability in case https
is not properly configured at some website.
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On 11/7/21 17:00, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Sun, 7 Nov 2021 15:44:18 -0600, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
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I'm amazed IBM doesn't ye
ectly
supported for all web content -- and that means having the proper
security certificates in place.
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On 11/7/21 11:36, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 06:02:47 -0600, Barbara Nitz wrote:
my employer has decided that ftp is not allowed anymore anywhere. Today I tr
correctly.
Joel C. Ewing
On 10/25/21 09:44, Oscar wrote:
Hi there,
There's something I'm being missing, but acording to my numbers, there
should be 13, not 12:
Bytes per track: 56,664 bytes
Bytes accessible per track: 55,996 bytes
CI size: 4096
Physical record size: 4096 bytes
are no
partial pages. Maybe this size rounding should be an option for REFR
modules now that real-storage and virtual-storage constraints are less
of an issue for many installations.
Joel C. Ewing
On 8/29/21 5:59 AM, Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw wrote:
> I realise I may be inviting a "YDNRC&qu
lity of features
at "77A0" and beyond. It could still be useful to have a SYSVAR with
the true RACF FMID suffix, even if that is not the best thing to test to
determine available features.
Joel C. Ewing
On 6/24/21 2:38 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 14:35:46 -07
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On 5/16/21 9:25 AM, Joseph Reichman wrote:
> At any nanosecond there is one
> I guess if you had program running authorized and wanted to know where in
> address space X the code is running or in the general vicinity once you g
base-64 encoded segment.
The most complete solution for full-function email from z/OS a decade
ago was to pass the email directly to an SMTP server on a Unix or
Windows platform. That may still be true.
JC Ewing
On 5/16/21 8:11 AM, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
> I think there is a misconception he
uired control information is certainly another
possibility, but would be a pain to be avoided.
Joel C Ewing
On 5/16/21 2:22 AM, Peter wrote:
> Hello
>
> I did but file.txt is empty, but the command executed successfully
>
> On Sun, 16 May, 2021, 11:01 am Mike Schwab, wrote:
&
uot; or
>> "prack-eff". Dunno what it is, though.
>>
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>>
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>> positively what God will not do. -Bob Bri
quot; it is pronounced the same way we do in England.
> Why is that?
>
> Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
> https://rsclweb.com
> ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’
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internal physical disks.
So yes, I would expect properly tuned QSAM I/O to out perform even an
incredibly well designed overlapped BSAM I/O access strategy on pure
sequential access, and with much less work.
Joel C Ewing
On 3/21/21 9:21 AM, Joseph Reichman wrote:
> I don’t understand what
ree before each job is
submitted. That way you avoid having jobs tie up initiators waiting on
availability of a data set.
I'm sure there are other possibilities, depending on your constraints.
Joel C Ewing
On 2/24/21 12:57 PM, Joseph Reichman wrote:
> You are correct in your assumption
rent writes
is acceptable.
Joel C Ewing
On 2/24/21 11:11 AM, Massimo Biancucci wrote:
> Joseph,
>
> for sure.
>
> VSAM variable length is OK.
>
> When define VSAM keyword RECORDSIZE( 1000 131072 ) states lrecl from to.
>
> Best regards.
> Max
>
> <
than when using a
SHAREOPTION that allows the High-Used RBA to be extended.
Joel C Ewing
On 2/9/21 6:04 AM, Joe Monk wrote:
> what does any of that have to do with file status 24 on a write?
>
> A file status of 24 means the file needs a REORG.
>
> Joe
>
> On Tue
for which the mouse is not the best
solution. But, keyboard alternatives to mouse point-and-click are only
faster if you use them often enough to remember them and don't have to
look them up.
Joel C. Ewing
On 1/28/21 8:12 AM, Pew, Curtis G wrote:
> On Jan 27, 2021, at 7:08 PM, Dav
nsole message reply required before your RACF Admin
users could be disabled in this way, but if some operator blindly gave
an inappropriate response for your last RACF Admin userid, you would
still be SOL. I vaguely recall we had some console automation to
preclude that possibility.
Joel C Ewing
g features of
a 4341 MG12 to features on 4381 models). Availability on at least one
model is sufficient to demonstrate DAS support existence on a 4341.
Joel C Ewing
On 1/8/21 12:35 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> Thanks. I thought that the 4341 had it, but I couldn't find anything on
>
does describe "3033 Extensions" as an optional microcode
feature to support Cross Memory Services in MVS/SP R3in a VM
environment. That optional feature was available for 3033 Models A, N,
S, U, and M -- not a standard feature, but the 3033 was the first
machine for which it was available.
native
scheduling support on those other platforms.
Joel C Ewing
On 12/22/20 5:57 PM, John McKown wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 5:49 PM Seymour J Metz wrote:
>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cron
>>
>>
> I use CRON a fair amount on Linux at home. And on z/OS at work, fo
a separate license and added cost, and the charges tend to be high
enough that you wouldn't have them around for casual use or to play
with, but only if they were actively required to support the business.
Joel C Ewing
On 12/17/20 7:00 PM, Frank Swarbrick wrote:
> If you don'
those limits to warn of inappropriate
or erroneous program behavior.
Joel C. Ewing
On 11/9/20 12:55 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
> We've had some cases of a job taking over the spool. In researching a
> solution, we've noticed that message $HASP375 varies in ways we don't
>
03 AM, R.S. wrote:
> Why do you assume there is/should be other abend than x37?
> Any request for new place in the dataset could end with such an abend.
>
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all the PDSE directory blocks are full it grabs another block for
> the directory, it can't run out of space unless the entire data set
> cannot be expanded.
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 5:30 PM Joel C. Ewing wrote:
>> I would assume a directory entry must be created before att
; What happens if an inquisitive programmer mischievously adds an
>> unbounded number of empty members to a small PDSE? Or adds
>> numerous aliases to a nearly full PDSE?
> My guess: x37 abend or next extent. This is NOT directory full, it is
> lack of space.
>
> ...
and read requires co-operation by the recipient to send
a return email reply that has content that clearly demonstrates it is
not just an automated response to the received email. Other than that,
there is always room for some uncertainty that a failure could have
occurred that prevented receipt.
).
Every SysProg I've known always believed you minimized your pain by
always doing a controlled shutdown of as much as possible before
"pulling the plug", but I suspect most have also encountered occasional
cases where some software, hardware, or environmental issue didn't offer
m
il & paper and other tools to perform
computations and was an actual job title. If you are going to use a
broad enough definition of "computer" to include the Abacus, then
clearly men and women are the oldest known computers.
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On 7/18/20 10:23 PM, Wayne Bickerdike
ape being
marked for deletion and re-used before its time.
Joel C Ewing
On 7/9/20 7:49 AM, R.S. wrote:
> Regarding tapes: this is one of the advantages of using HSM and
> physical tapes. It's quite easy to manage that even very old backup is
> on quite recently recorded tape. Mi
t even make sense to ask, what would it take
to reprocess all data from any starting point in the last x months for
some value of x.
Joel C. Ewing
On 7/5/20 7:12 AM, kekronbekron wrote:
> Hello List,
>
> Just wondering ... assuming there's a primary storage product out there t
of IBM's pricing strategies is that the cumulative effect of all
processor upgrades would be increased revenue for IBM.
Joel C. Ewing
On 7/4/20 12:33 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
> On 7/3/2020 12:16 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>> Ah, software cost. I still remember the first CPU upg
author of this hit piece a few real journalistic pieces which
> contradicted her claims. She responded kindly and stated she would do more
> research (or any research in my opinion) if she did another mainframe piece.
> The problem with journalism today is everyone thinks they are one, an
time-to-repair/replace, which could be more of an
unknown if your budget constraints influence you to look at discontinued
or past-EOS devices. The effective price at least doubles if you have
to buy additional units up front as insurance against possible future
hardware failures.
Joel C Ewing
way, highly confusing as would appear to be a collision of two
paradigms. Multiple examples of what they really meant would have been
useful.
Joel C Ewing
On 5/15/20 8:35 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> "For in-stream data sets: with the SH option, trailing blanks are not
> trun
ingle line
with no EOL forced at the end of each record.
Joel C Ewing
On 5/15/20 7:47 AM, David Crayford wrote:
> Nope. Semicolons are a continuation!
>
> On 2020-05-15 8:13 PM, David Spiegel wrote:
>> Hi Jon,
>> Every line except for the last line needs a semicolon.
>&
robots that they
perceived offered some short-term political advantage?
Humanity was also fortunate that when the hardware of Asimov's Daneel
began to fail, that he failed gracefully, rather than becoming a menace
to humanity.
Joel C Ewing
On 5/11/20 8:43 AM, scott Ford wrote:
> Well done J
lethal
machine may be with another lethal machine, and Colossus-Guardian
suggests why that may be an even worse idea.
Joel C Ewing
On 5/11/20 4:54 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> Strangelove was twisted because the times were twisted. We're ripe for a
> similar parody on our ow
gt;
> If we run the second step after the first job has ended, it runs OK.
>
> It looks like IDCAMS is not freeing the file after the step ends.
>
> Does anyone have an idea what can be causing this?
>
> Gadi
>
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> Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?
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quot;¬" , but can't speak for oorexx in M$
environment; and also seems to work for all in Seymour's nots list (Nots
= '\' 'aa'x 'ac'x), but am at a loss to remember context for using
'aa'x as a logical not -- displays as "feminine ord
m-home time, they can run this thing and
> send its output to 'management' just to prove that they are in perfect
> working condition and that any slow-down in productivity must be due to
> external factors which are wholly beyond their control .
>
> Cheers, Chris Poncelet
e corporations that use the
>>> same SSN value space.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> There are a LOT of those . . . and they spring up and fade away at a rate
>>>> far
>>> higher than human births and deaths.
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ted? That I guess is
>> what I really don't understand. Fortunately I don't *need* them to execute
>> in a particular order, I just don't understand why they do NOT execute in
>> submission order.
>>
>> TIA for curing my ignorance.
>>
>> Peter
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