Re: Channelized I/O WAS: Mainframe Makers.... WAS: Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-08-02 Thread Tom Brennan
On 8/2/2023 7:56 PM, Jon Perryman wrote: You say 192 slots or 384 ports. Not me, it's IBM doc along with Parwez Hamid​, top IBM tech person, redbook author, conference speaker, etc. etc. (retired now from IBM I believe). I understand slots being PCIe but was is ports? Is this fiber optic c

Re: They are *all* dinosaurs

2023-08-02 Thread Jon Perryman
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 09:16:43 PM PDT, David Crayford > wrote: > The raison d’être of the mainframe is to run applications written in COBOL. Companies could convert COBOL to C++ without a problem but you can't move those programs to Linux. The need for z/OS has nothing to do with

Re: Mainframe Makers.... WAS: Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-08-02 Thread Jon Perryman
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 06:24:15 AM PDT, Rick Troth > wrote: > I think Jon Perryman first asked us to define mainframe. And I bit! > [voice of Leonard Bones McCoy] "Dammit Jon! I'm a software developer, > not a field service engineer!" > But it really started with Andrew Hudson at Ar

Re: Channelized I/O WAS: Mainframe Makers.... WAS: Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-08-02 Thread Jon Perryman
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 09:34:34 AM PDT, Tom Brennan wrote: > So I pointed out there's only 12 I/O drawers max on a z16 Sorry Tom and all. I don't recall anyone saying max of 12 I/O drawers otherwise it would have been obvious my number was wrong. Yahoo mail does strange things with t

Re: Channelized I/O WAS: Mainframe Makers.... WAS: Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-08-02 Thread Mike Schwab
615 passengers on a few planes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_configurations_of_Airbus_A380 On Wed, Aug 2, 2023, 13:26 P H < 04843e86df79-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > The numbers quoted by Tom: > > So I pointed out there's only 12 I/O drawers max on a z16 which is 12 x > 16

Re: [EXTERNAL] Using SAS/MXG to create a .csv file

2023-08-02 Thread Graham Harris
try this ODS example http://support.sas.com/kb/23/652.html On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 at 22:25, Horne, Jim wrote: > I just googled to find it. I haven't done a .CSV myself in ages but it > can be done. You could use PROC SQL to create a macro variable then a > dummy data step to write it to a dataset

Re: Mainframe Makers.... WAS: Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-08-02 Thread Seymour J Metz
Cray used a variety of front ens, including DG Supernova. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Grant Taylor <023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2023 5:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Main

Re: Mainframe Makers.... WAS: Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-08-02 Thread Jay Maynard
A Cray-1 could use a CDC, or an IBM, or a VAX, and possibly others as front end processors. One cow orker in the dim recesses of my past had worked on the IBM Cray Station software before she went to work where I was. On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:02 PM Grant Taylor < 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@lis

Re: Mainframe Makers.... WAS: Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-08-02 Thread Phil Smith III
Steve Thompson wrote: >How about we change from Mainframe to zFrame? zFrame? ZFrame? Zframe? IBM keeps playing with case (remember, it's now "Db2", not "DB2") so even that's risky! >Yeah, I know, then when IBM comes up with a new Architecture... >How long will it take to need > 64bit add

Re: [EXTERNAL] Using SAS/MXG to create a .csv file

2023-08-02 Thread Horne, Jim
I just googled to find it. I haven't done a .CSV myself in ages but it can be done. You could use PROC SQL to create a macro variable then a dummy data step to write it to a dataset or other techniques. This is most definitely a case where Google is your friend. The closest thing I do to a .

Re: Mainframe Makers.... WAS: Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-08-02 Thread Mike Shaw
Seymour Cray worked for CDC before he founded Cray Research, so that makes sense. Mike Shaw MVS/QuickRef Support Group Chicago-Soft, Ltd. On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 5:02 PM Grant Taylor < 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On 8/2/23 10:35 AM, Allan Staller wrote: > > My vague

Re: Mainframe Makers.... WAS: Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-08-02 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/2/23 10:35 AM, Allan Staller wrote: My vague recollection of the CRAY was that is used (at the time) a 370/158 to buffer up all of the data so the CRAY could run full tilt. That may very well have been a possibility. I read that the CRAY used a CDC mainframe a it's front end for this purp

Specific Question/Scenario on using Pass Tickets with RACF

2023-08-02 Thread Robert Garrett
Something that's been puzzling me: Imagine an interactive application that requires valid user credentials (ID and password) to access, but does NOT require specific authorization to the application. In other words, the app does a RACROUTE REQUEST=VERIFY to validate credentials and create the a

Re: [EXTERNAL] Using SAS/MXG to create a .csv file

2023-08-02 Thread Mark Regan
Jim, Sorry, that code is not working for me, as SAS is totally ignoring that "%DS2CSV" even exists. There are no errors in the SASLOG either. I'm using SAS v9.4. Regards, Mark Regan, K8MTR General, EN80tg CTO1 USNR-Retired (1969-1991) Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017 z/OS Network Systems

Re: Mainframe Makers.... WAS: Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-08-02 Thread Steve Thompson
Wow! I had completely forgotten about Cornerstone and FunSoft. But I had not known how they were doing what they did. I knew, at one time, they were trying to get the ESCON or FICON code (I guess they really meant license of patents). But IBM wasn't allowing it. Then IBM dumped the Tier 2 z/Se

Re: They are *all* dinosaurs

2023-08-02 Thread Roger W Suhr
I think it is very difficult and costly to reproduce all mainframe applications on other platforms using "modern" programming languages. Not to speak of the inherit reliability, serviceability and secureability of the System Z hardware, running z/OS. Anyone who says the mainframe is a dinosaur

Re: Channelized I/O WAS: Mainframe Makers.... WAS: Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-08-02 Thread P H
The numbers quoted by Tom: So I pointed out there's only 12 I/O drawers max on a z16 which is 12 x 16 = 192 slots or 384 ports max. He replied, but didn't seem to fully accept that answer. are 100% correct. These numbers are the MAXIMUM. Depending on the configuration, these could be a lot less

Re: They are *all* dinosaurs

2023-08-02 Thread Schmitt, Michael
I'm trying to find where Micro Focus COBOL supports collections and dictionaries. Do you mean Micro Focus JVM COBOL, which runs in a Java virtual machine (as opposed to compiling for native execution, such as a Windows .exe or .dll? If so, isn't this not really COBOL but Micro Focus allowing ac

Re: [EXTERNAL] Using SAS/MXG to create a .csv file

2023-08-02 Thread Anthony Hirst
%DS2CSV (DATA=bat, RUNMODE=B, CSVFREF=CSV, var=date job jesjobno termcode jobmxhps jobmxhrs jobmxhss jobmxwss jobmx64b jobmx64s mips ); On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 11:58 AM Mark Regan wrote: > Jim, > > Do you have an example of using it in a batch job? > > Regards, > > Mark Rega

Re: [EXTERNAL] Using SAS/MXG to create a .csv file

2023-08-02 Thread Mark Regan
Jim, Do you have an example of using it in a batch job? Regards, Mark Regan, K8MTR General, EN80tg CTO1 USNR-Retired (1969-1991) Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017 z/OS Network Systems Programmer (z NetView, z/OS Communications Server) Email: marktre...@gmail.com LinkedIn: https://ww

Re: Mainframe Makers.... WAS: Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-08-02 Thread Tom Marchant
A z/16 has a maximum I/O bandwidth of 128 GBps. The limitation is no the number of channels, but the bandwidth to memory. I don't know if the I/O bandwidth has any impact on processor access to memory, but my understanding is that there is little, if any. The z16 implementation allows one proce

Re: [EXTERNAL] Using SAS/MXG to create a .csv file

2023-08-02 Thread Horne, Jim
Check SAS documentation for the %DS2CSV macro Jim Horne -Original Message- Is it possible to create a .csv file using both SAS & MXG? I ask because SAS, for PROC PRINT, only supports a line length of 256, and the report I want to create from SMF119, subtype 66 records, would be longer

Using SAS/MXG to create a .csv file

2023-08-02 Thread Mark Regan
Is it possible to create a .csv file using both SAS & MXG? I ask because SAS, for PROC PRINT, only supports a line length of 256, and the report I want to create from SMF119, subtype 66 records, would be longer than that. Regards, Mark Regan, K8MTR General, EN80tg CTO1 USNR-Retired (1969-1991) N

Re: Channelized I/O WAS: Mainframe Makers.... WAS: Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-08-02 Thread Tom Brennan
> I’ve missed this thread. He first said 1536 ports (not slots, not lanes) on a full z16. I asked where he got that number. Response was there are 12 fanout slots on a CEC drawer (true), so with 4 CEC drawers that's 48 fanout slots (true) which means the 4 CEC drawers could address 48 I/O dr

Re: Mainframe Makers.... WAS: Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-08-02 Thread Allan Staller
Classification: Confidential I must disagree here. This is just a different implementation of the existing z architecture. There may be some minor omissions, but I see nothing new here. FLEX has been around for quite a while, and was always about z-emulation on an x86 chip. It does provide som

Re: Mainframe Makers.... WAS: Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-08-02 Thread Allan Staller
Classification: Confidential Than sounds suspiciously like a "channel" on the mainframe (pick your favorite protocol). -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Grant Taylor Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 9:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mainfr

Re: Mainframe Makers.... WAS: Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-08-02 Thread Allan Staller
Classification: Confidential My vague recollection of the CRAY was that is used (at the time) a 370/158 to buffer up all of the data so the CRAY could run full tilt. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Grant Taylor Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 5:53 PM T

Re: Channelized I/O WAS: Mainframe Makers.... WAS: Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-08-02 Thread Jon Butler
At the risk of being "WRONG" ;¬)) several times, I offer the following. The Processor Units (GPs, CPU, etc.) are PCIe Gen 4, but the 16 slots in the I/O drawer hold Gen 3 cards, up to 16 of them at 16GBps. Each card can support a max of 32 lanes which can be multiplexed. The max theoretical tr

Re: Mainframe Makers.... WAS: Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-08-02 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/1/23 10:26 PM, David Crayford wrote: When you consider that a standard commodity rack server such as an AMD EPYC can support 128 PCIe lanes and up to 8 memory channels I would suggest x86 can handle a lot of I/O if you have the right gear. I think it's important to note that all of these

How to list ciphers used in FTP

2023-08-02 Thread Don Johnson
Hi all! We are making some changes to one of our internal servers this weekend, and my boss would like to confirm the list of ciphers available for FTP clients before and after the change. Is there any subcommand I can issue from my EXEC PGM=FTP client that will list the ciphers? How about fro

Re: Mainframe Makers.... WAS: Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-08-02 Thread Rick Troth
On 8/1/23 22:42, Grant Taylor wrote: On 8/1/23 7:20 PM, David Crayford wrote: What’s the difference between between channelized I/O and a rack of x86 servers connected to a SAN using fibre channel driven by high speed HBAs? I don't know. My understanding is that Fibre Channel is an evolution

Re: Channelized I/O WAS: Mainframe Makers.... WAS: Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-08-02 Thread David Crayford
> On 2 Aug 2023, at 12:15 pm, Tom Brennan wrote: > > > The IBM z16 can have up to 1,536 PCIe+ slots > > I'm gonna quit explaining this and just say, "WRONG" every time you say this > as if it's a fact :) I’ve missed this thread. By 1,536 PCIe slots, that’s slots not lanes right? Even if it we

Re: Mainframe Makers.... WAS: Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

2023-08-02 Thread Sebastian Welton
On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 01:18:53 -0500, Sebastian Welton wrote: >On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 15:53:57 -0400, Steve Thompson wrote: > >>How about we change from Mainframe to zFrame? >> >>Yeah, I know, then when IBM comes up with a new Architecture... >>How long will it take to need > 64bit addressing? >> >> >