Re: Question about z/os and VM ADJUNCT

2022-05-20 Thread Jim Mulder
I would not expect the SLIP WAIT to change primary and secondary. You can verify that by displaying CR 3 and 4 for the CPU of interest and comparing it to the CR 3-4 in the IEE844W message. Jim Mulder -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Schuste

Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread David Crayford
On 20/5/22 10:03, Tom Brennan wrote: Since z/OSMF is written in java, then why can't that high-CPU work run on another platform such as Power or x86, and then communicate with the mainframe for the z/OS work (i.e. submit jobs or whatever it does to run the actual installation).  Or am I thinkin

Re: SAF without an ESM

2022-05-20 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 5/4/2022 2:45 PM, coasthermit wrote: Many years back I IPLed my onepak system with RACF disabled to see what happened.Every access of a resource sent a reply prompt to the console for YES/NO.It took a while but I eventually got enough of MVS up that I could logon to TSO/E.I considered writi

Re: Question about z/os and VM ADJUNCT

2022-05-20 Thread Tony Harminc
On Fri, 20 May 2022 at 14:45, Paul Schuster wrote: > > I code an IF SLIP with ACTION=WAIT. When it hits, I get the IEE844W message. > I start the adjunct, and I want to display the storage at the locations > pointed to by the registers. I use the command > > CPU 0 CMD DISPLAY PRI regval.100 >

Re: z/OSMF - Software Management

2022-05-20 Thread Mike Martin
Thanks again Kurt, Can a vendor produce product information files without their providing portable instances for installing the product(s)? Or is that file an artifact of creating portable instances? It seems like I could theoretically hand-build a product information file to supply a EOS d

Question about z/os and VM ADJUNCT

2022-05-20 Thread Paul Schuster
I code an IF SLIP with ACTION=WAIT. When it hits, I get the IEE844W message. I start the adjunct, and I want to display the storage at the locations pointed to by the registers. I use the command CPU 0 CMD DISPLAY PRI regval.100 This works for a register that points to common storage, but fo

Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread Gibney, Dave
Well, small sites may not be sysplex. I'm not, 4 monoplexes. Even that AUTOSTART(CONNECT) client is going to have some impact > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 10:48 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Su

Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread Carmen Vitullo
thanks for that Colin, Looks like some good straight forward info Carmen On 5/20/2022 1:18 PM, Colin Paice wrote: I was told you have a z/OSMF on each instance, so you have availability but But once you start a piece of work on one z/OSMF you have to finish it there, because stuff is not

Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread Colin Paice
I was told you have a z/OSMF on each instance, so you have availability but But once you start a piece of work on one z/OSMF you have to finish it there, because stuff is not shard between z/OSMF instances. Configuration one one z/OSMF may not be shared elsewhere. One reason that the later ve

Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread Richards, Robert B. (CTR)
Dave, I do not believe that statement is true as stated. They do expect that you would run more than one for each *sysplex*, with one of them designated the Primary and the others as Remote(s). As I am only running one sysplex at the moment, I only am running one z/OSMF set of two tasks (IZUAN

Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread Carmen Vitullo
replying to myself, just validating what I have seen before - starting another instance CWWKE0005E: The runtime environment could not be launched. CWWKE0029E: An instance of server zosmfServer is already running.  I think some tweaking of parms are needed for me Carmen On 5/20/2022 12:47 PM,

Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread Carmen Vitullo
I've reviewed the setup and I really don't quite understand, blonde > in a sysplex,  why would you need to ? I've setup a different IZUPRM, my default parm has AUTOSTART(LOCAL) for prod and AUTOSTART(CONNECT) for my test lpar, but thinking about all I can do within z/OSMF why would you need to

Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread Gibney, Dave
Not yet mentioned in this thread is that IBM really expects you to run z/OSMF in all LPARs. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 10:20 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Mark your calendars fo

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread Mark Mustoe
Great Info Tom, and timely, for me. Sent you an email to your address above, just to say Hi. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Brennan Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 4:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mark your cale

Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread Carmen Vitullo
Similar to my test LPAR, 5 MSU's 8G (min for 2.4) one GP CPU and one zIIP    ALL SHARED - I can start IZUSVR1 (z/OSMF) but it really will not function in the real world, I just bring it up to test/validate maint or a new install. Carmen On 5/20/2022 11:47 AM, James C wrote: I run it on a 5

Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread James C
I run it on a 5 msu test lpar 2828 1 cpu. Not the fastest but it works. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread patrickfalcone7
I had a lively discussion with Mr. Zelden about zAAP on Main. We ran WAS 3.02 freeware pre zAAP in 2001. CPC was 9672-RB6, 2 way 166 MIPS.When we started the server address space the lights dimmed. I crowed loudly to IBM  about having a min. requirement for MIPS which came out in a later offerin

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread Carmen Vitullo
I thought I was the only one, for me it's missing the wife's B-day since it's CRAP - tomorrow, so close after mothers day :( Thanks for the link, I think I have the PDF somewhere of that same doc Carmen On 5/20/2022 11:07 AM, Tom Brennan wrote: Ha ha - I've setup calendar entries and phone ala

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread Tom Brennan
Ha ha - I've setup calendar entries and phone alarms for mine so I don't forget and get in big trouble. FYI - Here's the chart I always use for the mainframe dates, in case anybody here doesn't know about it: https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/ibm-mainframe-life-cycle-history On 5/20/2022 8:5

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread Carmen Vitullo
just went back and check - yup, June 30 2020 my wedding anniversary :) Carmen On 5/20/2022 10:38 AM, Tom Brennan wrote: Last microcode update for z13s was June 30, 2020. z14 dual frame coming up June 30, 2022 and ZR1 Sept 30, 2022 On 5/20/2022 8:29 AM, Carmen Vitullo wrote: that would be nice

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread Tom Brennan
Last microcode update for z13s was June 30, 2020. z14 dual frame coming up June 30, 2022 and ZR1 Sept 30, 2022 On 5/20/2022 8:29 AM, Carmen Vitullo wrote: that would be nice - but now with z13 and z13s processors you cannot even get IBM to perform any hardware changes since those boxes are EOS.

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread Pommier, Rex
Agreed that IBM won't give away full zIIP processors. However I don't see it as a stretch for IBM to allow z/OSMF java work to run on an unlicensed processor. We haven't started down the z/OSMF path yet so I don't really know what part of z/OS configuration runs under z/OSMF and what part is s

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM BLSR subsystem

2022-05-20 Thread Michael Watkins
"At some sites, the most gargantuan thing about making a change like this is getting past the politics of getting managers who don't want to change anything." Exactly, and any little burp will be evidence the platform isn't as reliable as it's cracked up to be and/or that the people administerin

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread Carmen Vitullo
that would be nice - but now with z13 and z13s processors you cannot even get IBM to perform any hardware changes since those boxes are EOSI think last June ? we were somewhat lucky the processors are already IN THE BOX so an MES of our Z13s was done in May before the EOS date to add a sec

Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread Tony Harminc
On Fri, 20 May 2022 at 07:59, Jay Maynard wrote: > On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 6:09 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > Did the MP2000 and MP3000 simulate S/390 on x86 chips, use P/390 > > technology or use tailored hardware? > > IIRC, the MP2000 used a P390, and the MP3000 used the P390E. In any event,

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread Tom Brennan
Of course a free zIIP would be the best solution. But that's a decision to be made by sales people, while running z/OSMF remotely would be work (and maybe even a fun project) for a programmer. Now... which group would more likely say yes? In my experience, don't even bother trying to get som

Re: Logon proc usage

2022-05-20 Thread Bob Bridges
1: I'm being picky and technical, here - I'm sure you both know this - but the TSO segment's PROC value doesn't tell me what was last used, nor what procs are allowed, only what would be the default proc the next time the user logs on. (Maybe RACF checks the proc's ACL before allowing PROC to be s

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM BLSR subsystem

2022-05-20 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
When change means being able to more consistently meet your contractual SLA's and handle ever-increasing client input volume that tends to make the politics a lot easier. Missed SLA's hit their bottom line, so that's where they tend to focus. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainfra

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM BLSR subsystem

2022-05-20 Thread Pommier, Rex
At some sites, the most gargantuan thing about making a change like this is getting past the politics of getting managers who don't want to change anything. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Radoslaw Skorupka Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 6:53 PM To: IBM

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread Richards, Robert B. (CTR)
Out of curiosity, what's the price of one zIIP these days? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 9:15 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac inten

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread Pommier, Rex
One would think that since IBM is forcing everybody to use z/OSMF they would accommodate their own customers and not force their smallest ones into expensive upgrades just to run this software. As Seymour mentioned, since zIIPs and the like are all normal processors, IBM should be able to build

Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread Jay Maynard
IIRC, the MP2000 used a P390, and the MP3000 used the P390E. In any event, they did not emulate the processor. On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 6:09 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > Did the MP2000 and MP3000 simulate S/390 on x86 chips, use P/390 > technology or use tailored hardware? > > Since ZAAP (remember

Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread P H
Re: simulate S/390 on x86 chips. Don't think it was x86 technology! Regards Parwez Hamid​ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Seymour J Metz Sent: 20 May 2022 12:09 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 -

Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread P H
At a very high level and keeping it simple, physically all the 'cores' on the chip are the same. Depending on what is purchased, these are then 'characterised' as a CP, zIIP, IFL, ICF or a SAP with microcode during POR and PR/SM designates as to which core will be used for what 'function'. Rega

Re: IBM BLSR subsystem

2022-05-20 Thread Steve Kocik
Jim - You forgot the "good day" in your closing! ;) Steve Kocik z/OS IOS Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: IBM BLSR subsystem

2022-05-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
For applications using *SAM, it may be a walk in the park for most cases, but for applications using EXCP it is much more work. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on beh

Re: Logon proc usage

2022-05-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
1. TSO segments will only tell you what is allowed; you still need SMF to tell how often they are logging on. 2. What about logon procs used for an activity that is only needed at long intervals? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 __

Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
Did the MP2000 and MP3000 simulate S/390 on x86 chips, use P/390 technology or use tailored hardware? Since ZAAP (remember it?) and ZIIP are marketing gimmicks to begin with, IBM could easilly add one to the mix if they believed that there was a business case. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http

Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date

2022-05-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
AFAIK there is nore are no physical differences among the various specialty engines, just how they are configured after manufacturing. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]