Hi Roger,
We do currently use PCL in document-header parameters to specify duplex, font,
orientation, etc. That means we have at least 12 different printer definitions
for each printer. Allowing dynamic specification of the duplex parameter would
allow use to cut this down to 4, I think (80 c
FSVO "always."
Charles
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USS is a VTAM term for Unformatted System Services.
USS ha
alpha bravo charlie delta echo fox-trot golf hotel india juliet kilo
lima mike november oscar papa quebec romeo sierra tango uniform victor
whisky x-ray yankee zulu
able baker charlie dog easy fox - were AFAIK part of the phonetic
alphabet used for the Allied invasion of Normandy in Operation Over
alpha
bravo
charlie
delta
echo
foxtrot
golf
hotel
india
juliet
kilo
mike
november
oscar
papa
quebec ("kay-bec")
romeo
sierra
tango
uniform
victor
whiskey
xray
yankee
zulu
On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 7:21 PM CM Poncelet wrote:
> able baker charlie dog easy fox
>
> On 04/10/2021 15:10, Paul Gilmartin w
USS is a VTAM term for Unformatted System Services.
USS has always meant Unix System Services.
Joe
On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 7:30 PM Mike Schwab wrote:
> U.S.S. Unformated System Services, until Unix System Services tried
> to take it over.
>
> On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 1:24 AM Paul Gilmartin
> <00
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 14:46:50 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote:
>I find that a lot, that tech-support people are fine with alpha-bravo-charlie.
> Most other people have to think about it; one is reduced to saying "em as in
>mike, vee as in victor, ess as in sierra" and so on.
>
Emergency responders haven
The TMP does not run in the TCAS.
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Not a coincidence.
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On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 18:41:26 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>TSO originally supported up to 15 regions, and had its own swap dataset. This
>continued with SVS.
>
Is that, coincidentally, the same as the number of page protection keys?
> ... With OS/VS2 R2, each user had its own address space and
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 11:34:38 -0700, Skip Robinson wrote:
>I've never actually encountered 'time sharing' in the flesh, but my
>understanding is that it involve(s/d) a single address space that multiple
>users logged on to. The monitor (or whatever the top dog was called) would
>divvy up resources a
U.S.S. Unformated System Services, until Unix System Services tried
to take it over.
On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 1:24 AM Paul Gilmartin
<000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 17:35:41 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>
> >While TSO does not support unambiguous trunc
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 17:35:41 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>While TSO does not support unambiguous truncation for command names, it does
>for keywords. I don't know about ICCF.
>
Unambiguous truncation is treacherous. Addition of new commands/keywords can
break
legacy art. For that reason I esch
able baker charlie dog easy fox
On 04/10/2021 15:10, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 09:35:39 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote:
>
>> Ok, I give up. I have favorite-newscaster stories, too, but I don't get
>> this one. What's an EFT cargo hatch? Is this so obvious a failure that
>> I'll be
I believe what Skip was referring to was the actual TSO TMP, i.e. the TSO
address space or TCAS. The TSO READY prompt or an edit session are actually
being run in the separate TSO address space that TCAS created on my behalf.
Rex
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TSO includes a terminal control address space (TCAS) that handles LOGON/LOGOFF,
a VTAM I/O control (VTIOC) address space that talks to VTAM, a terminal monitor
program that runs in the user's address space, a bunch of command processors
(CPs) that run as subtasks of the TM and service routines u
"TSO/E OTOH gives each user her own address space
with support directly from the OS. 'TSO' handles only logon/logoff. Like
CICS."
Oh really? So where does the READY prompt come from before you hop into
PDF? And what happens if you type EDIT 'DSNAME'? Whats running the EDIT
program?
Joe
On Mon, O
Oops. I think I forgot to send this (quite a while ago).
Gil wrote:
It should be impossible for untrustworthy code to modify content of an
Authorized address space.
Yes it should. And is. And better stay that way forever. REFRPROT is not
relevant for that statement. REFRPROT is for increased
I find that a lot, that tech-support people are fine with alpha-bravo-charlie.
Most other people have to think about it; one is reduced to saying "em as in
mike, vee as in victor, ess as in sierra" and so on. I'm long supposed that
tech-support people, and their ilk (sysprogs for instance), of
TSO originally supported up to 15 regions, and had its own swap dataset. This
continued with SVS. With OS/VS2 R2, each user had its own address space and
the same code handled swapping for batch and TSO.
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I've never actually encountered 'time sharing' in the flesh, but my
understanding is that it involve(s/d) a single address space that multiple
users logged on to. The monitor (or whatever the top dog was called) would
divvy up resources among users and dispatch them. In other words, it looked
a lot
The userid is normally an alias for a user catalog, and I would not expect
anybody to use it as a dsname in a TSO command. Similarly, most installations
don't allow cataloging datasets in the master catalog, so I wouldn't expect
there to be a conflict between dsname and member, only between ddna
While TSO does not support unambiguous truncation for command names, it does
for keywords. I don't know about ICCF.
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The ironic thing is that for decades major corporations have been legally
changing their names to only the initials of the old name.
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Skip Robinso
TSO doesn't do time slicing in MVS; that's up to the dispatcher and SRM (WLM),
Similar, TSO doesn't do swapping in MVS.
Only in MVT, 65MP and SVS were the first two letters relevant.
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Ignoring the question of whether i and p are mainframes, that doesn't
distinguish between the OS/360 line, the DOS/369 line, the CP-67 line or the
defunct lines like AIX, DPPX and TSS.
Wiki has articles OS/360 and successors and DOS/360 and successor, which convey
the semantics even if they are
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 10:49:10 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote:
>
>? Limiting how? If you mean "z/OS and predecessors", that's always worked
>for me. Yes, MVS is a component of z/OS, as is USS. (Hey, let's debate "USS"
>again-no, wait, let's not.)
>
USS is a component of z/OS. And BSD UNIX is a predecess
Bob,
Think Canadian - "eh"=A. :-) The back door lock either broke or somebody
forgot to close it.
Rex
On 10/4/2021 6:35 AM, Bob Bridges wrote:
> Ok, I give up. I have favorite-newscaster stories, too, but I don't get this
> one. What's an EFT cargo hatch? Is this so obvious a failure that
eh = A
AFT = Aft
On 10/4/2021 6:35 AM, Bob Bridges wrote:
Ok, I give up. I have favorite-newscaster stories, too, but I don't get this
one. What's an EFT cargo hatch? Is this so obvious a failure that I'll be
required by law to kick myself when it's explained to me, or something that
only
As Gil points out, there are Other Issues, starting with the fact that you
can't read the print queue directly.
If you had the V/SPOOL product from CA/Broadcom you could do it, with
privileges-I wrote that support, gulp, almost 30 years ago. It uses code in
CP to read the pages of the SPOOL file
That's a good one, Bob! We've all done that kind o' thing and it's just
amazing afterward--you just can't believe you did it!
On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 9:21 AM Bob Bridges wrote:
> Decades ago I was at Burlington Industries -- at the time almost every
> programmer in the area passed through Burling
Charles wrote:
>Saying MVS makes you look old-fashioned, even though MVS still exists
>(I guess?) as a component of z/OS. Saying z/OS is limiting.
? Limiting how? If you mean "z/OS and predecessors", that's always worked
for me. Yes, MVS is a component of z/OS, as is USS. (Hey, let's debate
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 13:41:54 +, Cameron Conacher wrote:
>Honestly, I do not know, but I read it as A F T cargo hatch.
>
I guess only the Irish can understand each other.
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 14:05:36 +, Pew, Curtis G wrote:
> ... “MVS datasets” ...
>
ITYM “MVS data sets”
-- gil
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Multiple Virtual Storage
Multiple Virtual Storage
Multiple Virtual Storage
Multiple Virtual Storage
Multiple Virtual Storage
Multiple Virtual Storage
I'm writing that on the blackboard 100 times.
Charles
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On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 09:35:39 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote:
>Ok, I give up. I have favorite-newscaster stories, too, but I don't get this
>one. What's an EFT cargo hatch? Is this so obvious a failure that I'll be
>required by law to kick myself when it's explained to me, or something that
>only pi
On Oct 3, 2021, at 1:34 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
>
> Agreed. Saying MVS makes you look old-fashioned, even though MVS still exists
> (I guess?) as a component of z/OS. Saying z/OS is limiting.
Lots of IBM manuals still say MVS when talking about that component. I find it
convenient, for exampl
Honestly, I do not know, but I read it as A F T cargo hatch.
As in the south end of a north bound developer.
Thanks,
…….Cameron
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Just to pick nits, it seems to me that time-sharing is alive and well on all
mainframes, and especially in TSO. The whole point of TSO was that multiple
users could be on-line simultaneously, which hadn't always been the case. TSO
allowed us to log on, and stay on, and do foreground work witho
Ok, I give up. I have favorite-newscaster stories, too, but I don't get this
one. What's an EFT cargo hatch? Is this so obvious a failure that I'll be
required by law to kick myself when it's explained to me, or something that
only pilots know, or what?
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Barry,
Thanks for replying.
The issue, it appears, has resolved itself with no changes on my side. I just
submitted the two jobs again and they worked this time. From my USAF days
working on C-5As and C-141s, we called this a Lockheed fix (also by pushing in
a circuit breaker the pilots forgot
I have long told recruiters that the generic name for that whole line of
operating systems is "MVS", in the same way that "Windows" denotes lots of old
versions and not just the ones with "Windows" in the name. As an Official Old
Guy I've said "MVS" for years even when we're talking about z/OS,
Decades ago I was at Burlington Industries -- at the time almost every
programmer in the area passed through Burlington Industries and/or other
textiles companies, one or more times -- and they brought in a new platform to
run factory processes. We were all busy reading the manuals for a week o
>From my ftping notes:
17. EZA1735I Std Return Code=26530, Error Code=00011
EZYFS34W FTP will not remove TRAILING sequence numbers.
530 Not Logged In
The primary cause is incorrect password (i.e., password in Upper
Case when it should be lower case, or wrong/misspelled password).
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 14:30:57 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote:
>Any equivalent of RDRLIST or PEEK for the print queue (CMS)?
>
>Would it be difficult to change the EXECs (due to lack of underlying
>services)?
>
I've known people to TRANSFER print files to their readers and use
PEEK.
Do you need to tra
It should be easy for us to receive it, as we'd be unlikelier than you to
guess the correct password.
sas
On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 7:01 AM Richards, Robert B. (CTR) <
01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> Subject says it all. I am trying to order some PTFs.
>
> Is anyone else re
Any equivalent of RDRLIST or PEEK for the print queue (CMS)?
Would it be difficult to change the EXECs (due to lack of underlying
services)?
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Director, Dissen Software, Bar & Grill - Israel
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Subject says it all. I am trying to order some PTFs.
Is anyone else receiving the error below this fine Monday morning?
Connecting to: dispby-117.boulder.ibm.com 170.225.15.117 port: 21.
220 ProFTPD Server (proftpd) [170.225.15.117]
>>> AUTH TLS
234 AUTH TLS successful
Authentication negotiation
I remember when MVS was affectionately called "Mine's Very Slow".
I'm writing an OS for x86 (as an exercise) which aims to learn some of the
lessons grown-up systems, such as MVS, could have taught x86 systems ever
since MS-DOS.
I'm calling it MES (Mine's Even Slower") :-)
Roops
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