You mean stop screaming fire in a crowded theater?
I concur.
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> On Aug 24, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Tom Brennan wrote:
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> +100
>
>> On 8/24/2021 7:21 AM, Lionel B. Dyck wrote:
>> Can we please get back to the b
+100
On 8/24/2021 7:21 AM, Lionel B. Dyck wrote:
Can we please get back to the basics for this listserv?
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While I didn't take the Neat/3 class in college, it was offered. The
university I attended at the time used a NCR Century 151. I "think" they were
running the B3 Executive. One partition for running a batch job read in from a
card reader, a SPOOL'ing partition, and the other partition was for
Neat/3 was definitely not a Cobol look-alike. It was a 60'ish version of a
high level assembler, in other words not very high level. :-) But it was
NCR's assembler language. My first job out of college was converting Neat/3
code on an old computer to Cobol on the afore-mentioned minicomputer
IEHIOSUP only applied to Type IV SVCs, IIRC.
Joe
On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 10:28 AM Greg Price
wrote:
> On 8/24/2021 8:23 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> > OS/360 and OS/VS1 had SVC transient areas. No adcons were allowed in
> type 3 and 4 SVC routines.
>
> 1024-byte storage areas, perhaps?
>
> PGM=I
On 8/24/2021 8:23 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
OS/360 and OS/VS1 had SVC transient areas. No adcons were allowed in type 3 and
4 SVC routines.
1024-byte storage areas, perhaps?
PGM=IEHIOSUP anyone?
Did I get the name right?
It was for zapping TTRs into SYS1.SVCLIB members whenever the members
Interesting historical reference. I never actually worked on NCR or in Neat/3,
but it was used as the programming language for a civil service test I took
many decades ago to apply for a county-level programming job. The problem was
that the civil service test announcement never told people wh
There are height ranges by age from birth to adulthood. 90% of the population
falls into those ranges. And the ranges are pretty tight. Statistical analysis
and probability isn’t a strong suit of most people. The average American adult
is 5ft 9in. The average Japanese man is 5ft 7in. I’m done di
agree, I think there's a place for thisI think it's called Facebook
I can't be sure since I do not use it.
Carmen
On 8/24/2021 9:21 AM, Lionel B. Dyck wrote:
Can we please get back to the basics for this listserv?
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Can we please get back to the basics for this listserv?
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are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden
Really? Perhaps you can demonstrate this relationship by providing the
appropriate equation or basis for evaluation? I mean, something besides your
opinion.
Since you claimed it was a reasonable measure, then you need to provide the
evidence. BTW, you assumed that the conclusion about adult
Do you remember Neat/3 on the NCR? An interesting language.
On third shift at a local bank, I remember setting up card-driven operation
"control decks" where we "dialed" HDDs back and forth to keep from having to
move the disks.
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2021, at 13:06, Bill Johnson wrote:
> I said the vast majority of REXX/CLISTS are not very long. 40 was not
> MY line in the sand.
Yes it was.
If you can't remember what you wrote, you could look back at the
prior messages in the thread. You wrote:
"Anyone who writes a compil
On 8/24/2021 5:29 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
Yeah, ad hominem and ludicrous stereotypes. "It seems like a waste of time to get
mainframers to think that there is anything that will ever be as great as JCL." says
everything necessary. I devoutly hope that he gets to work with people who fit that
On 8/24/2021 6:41 AM, Bill Giannelli wrote:
I have received and applied several months maintenance, but have not yet moved
it into our runtime libraries. How might I determine what my prior RSU level is
within my runtime libraries?
Hopefully you kept a copy of the CSIs that represent your runni
Someone's height is a pretty good measure of where they lie on the scale of
adulthood. Except for a small percentage of outliers.
On Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 08:48:26 AM EDT, Gerhard Adam
wrote:
> length isn't a good measure of complexity
Really? Who dreams up this nonsense? Defi
> length isn't a good measure of complexity
Really? Who dreams up this nonsense? Define "complexity" and then perhaps an
argument can be made about causes or measurements. Until then it is a silly
claim. Length is NOT a MEASURE of complexity any more than height is a measure
of adulthood.
When I built system environments at $previousjob I would use the CVTVERID field
to document its RSU level.
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Yeah, ad hominem and ludicrous stereotypes. "It seems like a waste of time to
get mainframers to think that there is anything that will ever be as great as
JCL." says everything necessary. I devoutly hope that he gets to work with
people who fit that caricature.
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Part of my process moving maint forward is to run a static symbol
update, it's a manual process but beats searching for an eyecatcher in a
load module for a PTF number
//SYM EXEC PGM=IEASYMU2,PARM='RSU=2102'
On 8/24/2021 5:41 AM, Bill Giannelli wrote:
I have received and applied several mont
You have to build any required tracking into your maintenance strategy.
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I said the vast majority of REXX/CLISTS are not very long. 40 was not MY line
in the sand. And that's from 40 years of seeing REXX/CLISTS. Some written in
house and some from vendors.
On Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 08:00:24 AM EDT, Jeremy Nicoll
wrote:
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021, at 12:16, Bi
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021, at 12:16, Bill Johnson wrote:
> The hilarity continues. You say that length isn't a good measure
> of complexity
I did, that's true. But in what I wrote below I also said that I wasn't
claiming that my longest example was particularly complex.
Probably the most complex co
Smpe option 3.3 will list sourceid.
> On Aug 24, 2021, at 06:41, Bill Giannelli wrote:
>
> I have received and applied several months maintenance, but have not yet
> moved it into our runtime libraries. How might I determine what my prior RSU
> level is within my runtime libraries?
> thanks
Smpe option 3.3 will list sourceid
> On Aug 24, 2021, at 06:41, Bill Giannelli wrote:
>
> I have received and applied several months maintenance, but have not yet
> moved it into our runtime libraries. How might I determine what my prior RSU
> level is within my runtime libraries?
> thanks
You're lucky if the dataset activity timestamp(s) matches with what's in the
SMPE log files.
For situations like this, it's good to put an uncataloged text file in the same
volume as a product/OS's target libraries with a couple of lines to say when it
was built/APPLY'd.
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Exactly right.
On Monday, August 23, 2021, 11:26:49 PM EDT, Mike Hochee
wrote:
My apologies if this has already been mentioned, but the likelihood of a
program I've written executing correctly the first time, is almost always
commensurate with the time I've spent reviewing/walking th
The hilarity continues. You say that length isn't a good measure of complexity
and then search high and low for the longest REXX programs you can find.
On Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 06:48:02 AM EDT, Jeremy Nicoll
wrote:
On Mon, 23 Aug 2021, at 23:00, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> I'm looking
On Mon, 23 Aug 2021, at 23:00, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> I'm looking at a home-grown REXX script that is 1690 lines long, and in
> some REXX circles it would be considered tiny. It does use external
> utilities, but is by no means just glue. I'd bet that there are edit
> macros orders of magnitude
I have received and applied several months maintenance, but have not yet moved
it into our runtime libraries. How might I determine what my prior RSU level is
within my runtime libraries?
thanks
Bill
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