Re: [hibernate-dev] Hibernate 4 and the hibernate3.jar file in release bundle

2010-10-11 Thread Steve Ebersole
http://ant.apache.org/ivy/history/2.1.0/tutorial/conf.html Though Max and Emmanuel have far more experience with Ivy than myself. My "knowledge" of Ivy comes solely from Gradle. On Monday, October 11, 2010 02:34:05 am Hardy Ferentschik wrote: > I think Sanne has a good point here. The people wh

Re: [hibernate-dev] Hibernate 4 and the hibernate3.jar file in release bundle

2010-10-11 Thread Steve Ebersole
You mean like this[1]? Or something more? [1] http://docs.jboss.org/hibernate/core/3.6/quickstart/en-US/html/hibernate- gsg-obtain.html#hibernate-gsg-setup-mavenRepoArtifacts On Monday, October 11, 2010 02:20:11 am Sanne Grinovero wrote: > People loving uber-jars are (in my experience) those who

Re: [hibernate-dev] Hibernate 4 and the hibernate3.jar file in release bundle

2010-10-11 Thread Hardy Ferentschik
I think Sanne has a good point here. The people who are already using Maven or Ivy are not in need of a ueber-jar. They (hopefully) already realized that modularized jars are the better approach. I am against continuing the support for a hibernate core ueberjar. I am not sure whether we real

Re: [hibernate-dev] Hibernate 4 and the hibernate3.jar file in release bundle

2010-10-11 Thread Sanne Grinovero
People loving uber-jars are (in my experience) those who don't have an automated dependency management system, so having special maven artifacts won't help them. It could be useful to document what modules are needed for each use case by providing short descriptions for each jar. Sanne 2010/10/11

Re: [hibernate-dev] Hibernate 4 and the hibernate3.jar file in release bundle

2010-10-10 Thread Steve Ebersole
That would work sure. But each combination would require an artifact in this scheme. And that's a lot of combinations. On Sunday, October 10, 2010 03:29:03 pm Adam Warski wrote: > Hello, > > > As far as I know, the only way to do what you suggest with Maven would be > > for us to develop an ar

Re: [hibernate-dev] Hibernate 4 and the hibernate3.jar file in release bundle

2010-10-10 Thread Adam Warski
Hello, > As far as I know, the only way to do what you suggest with Maven would be for > us to develop an archetype. The problem with these imho is that you rarely > are developing a "hibernate application"; more usually you are developing a > "web application", within which you are using hibe

Re: [hibernate-dev] Hibernate 4 and the hibernate3.jar file in release bundle

2010-10-10 Thread Steve Ebersole
Should have given you the link for moving to Gradle... http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-5616 That one in particular has been discussed both here as well as IRC for close to 6 months. In retrospect I guess the move to Git might have been a surprise outside of the IR

Re: [hibernate-dev] Hibernate 4 and the hibernate3.jar file in release bundle

2010-10-10 Thread Steve Ebersole
On Sunday, October 10, 2010 01:25:38 pm Paul Benedict wrote: > I think uber jars are never a good idea. You get everything and > developers don't care to find out what features they want or don't > want. Personally I agree 100% there. Maybe even 100% ;) > > As for Maven, have you consid

Re: [hibernate-dev] Hibernate 4 and the hibernate3.jar file in release bundle

2010-10-10 Thread Paul Benedict
I think uber jars are never a good idea. You get everything and developers don't care to find out what features they want or don't want. As for Maven, have you considered profiles? If developers could activate them, there would be pre-built dependencies (like for c3p0). I find this better than Ivy

[hibernate-dev] Hibernate 4 and the hibernate3.jar file in release bundle

2010-10-10 Thread Steve Ebersole
Basically this comes down to whether we want to continue to provide an uber- jar of all Hibernate classes. Currently we do this for the release bundles as hibernate3.jar Do we want to continue this practice into 4.x? If we are going to do it, then I think we should be consistent and also prov