Re: Question about "Conditions for Using Bison" in Bison 2.0 documentation

2005-03-11 Thread Hans Aberg
At 15:11 -0800 2005/03/10, Paul Eggert wrote: >> I don't know what the default status is of works produced by X's use >> of Y's copyrighted programs, but I rather suspect that such products >> belong to X > >It depends on whether the produced works are "derivative works" of Y's >copyrighted program

Re: Question about "Conditions for Using Bison" in Bison 2.0 documentation

2005-03-11 Thread Sylvain Schmitz
Paul Eggert wrote: Sylvain Schmitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: It might have been true when these skeleton first appeared, but I don't think it is any more, since both commercial and open source implementations exist now. OK, let's solve the problem. The first step: could you please come up with a

Re: Question about "Conditions for Using Bison" in Bison 2.0 documentation

2005-03-10 Thread Hans Aberg
[For some unknown reason, my email to Paul Eggert bounces.] Paul Eggert's comment does not prove commonness :-), except perhaps in the case of Yacc and related programs. When I try to think about computer software in general, it always is the principle that Paul Hilfinger indicates. If the progra

Re: Question about "Conditions for Using Bison" in Bison 2.0 documentation

2005-03-10 Thread Paul Eggert
Paul Hilfinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Actually, I believe that the Berne convention gives no standing > whatever to written copyright notices of this sort. Instead, if I > produce a copyrightable work, that work is protected by copyright > unless I take steps to make it otherwise. Yes, th

Re: Question about "Conditions for Using Bison" in Bison 2.0 documentation

2005-03-10 Thread Paul Hilfinger
> Hans Aberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > the output of a copyrighted program is rarely viewed as being > > covered by the copyright of the program that made it. > > No, actually it's quite common. For example, if I run the traditional > /usr/ccs/bin/yacc that is shipped with Solari

Re: Question about "Conditions for Using Bison" in Bison 2.0 documentation

2005-03-10 Thread Paul Eggert
Hans Aberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > the output of a copyrighted program is rarely viewed as being > covered by the copyright of the program that made it. No, actually it's quite common. For example, if I run the traditional /usr/ccs/bin/yacc that is shipped with Solaris 9, the output file y

Re: Question about "Conditions for Using Bison" in Bison 2.0 documentation

2005-03-10 Thread Paul Eggert
Sylvain Schmitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It might have been true when these skeleton first appeared, but I > don't think it is any more, since both commercial and open source > implementations exist now. OK, let's solve the problem. The first step: could you please come up with a brief list

Re: Question about "Conditions for Using Bison" in Bison 2.0 documentation

2005-03-10 Thread Hans Aberg
At 10:53 +0100 2005/03/10, Sylvain Schmitz wrote: >Paul Hilfinger wrote: > >> In fact, this issue did get discussed when the GLR skeleton got >> introduced, and the language (or lack of it) is, AIR, deliberate on >> the part of the lead maintainers at the time. On consideration, I >> would prefer

Re: Question about "Conditions for Using Bison" in Bison 2.0 documentation

2005-03-10 Thread Hans Aberg
It would simplify if the supported Bison skeleton files were distributed under the same copyright. The unsupported skeleton files, if any, should be put in a special place, either in the distribution, or outside it, I think. At 12:50 -0800 2005/03/09, Paul Hilfinger wrote: >In fact, this issue did

Re: Question about "Conditions for Using Bison" in Bison 2.0 documentation

2005-03-10 Thread Akim Demaille
>>> "Sylvain" == Sylvain Schmitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Paul Hilfinger wrote: >> In fact, this issue did get discussed when the GLR skeleton got >> introduced, and the language (or lack of it) is, AIR, deliberate on >> the part of the lead maintainers at the time. On consideration, I

Re: Question about "Conditions for Using Bison" in Bison 2.0 documentation

2005-03-10 Thread Sylvain Schmitz
Paul Hilfinger wrote: In fact, this issue did get discussed when the GLR skeleton got introduced, and the language (or lack of it) is, AIR, deliberate on the part of the lead maintainers at the time. On consideration, I would prefer that the same terms apply to all skeletons as now apply to the C

Re: Question about "Conditions for Using Bison" in Bison 2.0 documentation

2005-03-10 Thread Akim Demaille
>>> "Paul" == Paul Hilfinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In fact, this issue did get discussed when the GLR skeleton got > introduced, and the language (or lack of it) is, AIR, deliberate on > the part of the lead maintainers at the time. On consideration, I > would prefer that the same ter

Re: Question about "Conditions for Using Bison" in Bison 2.0 documentation

2005-03-09 Thread Paul Hilfinger
In fact, this issue did get discussed when the GLR skeleton got introduced, and the language (or lack of it) is, AIR, deliberate on the part of the lead maintainers at the time. On consideration, I would prefer that the same terms apply to all skeletons as now apply to the C LALR(1) skeleton. I

Re: Question about "Conditions for Using Bison" in Bison 2.0 documentation

2005-03-09 Thread Hans Aberg
This is most likely an error: The other skeleton files did not exist at the time that stuff was written. Akim Demaille is resposnible for the C++ file and Paul Hilfinger for the GLR file. They probably forgot to insert the correct copyright. If so, this is a Bug-Bison issue. At 14:28 +0100 2005/03

Question about "Conditions for Using Bison" in Bison 2.0 documentation

2005-03-09 Thread Michel Rosien
Hello,   I have read the "Conditions for Using Bison" on page 3 of the Bison 2.0 documentation. The first lines say:   As of Bison version 1.24, we have changed the distribution terms for yyparse to permit using Bison's output in nonfree programs when Bison is generating C code for LALR(1) p