Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Hackage accounts and real names

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Ivan Miljenovic wrote: > 5) No-one is convincing anyone else to their point of view, so we have > a stale mate. Can you really legally distribute your software under an open source license if you don't use your real name? At least the Linux kernel has a policy thes

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

Maybe users could choose between using a real name and being given a random one (like Anonymous). This will (1) protect from data mining, (2) protect from government persecution and (3) keep the damned 1337 Haxxor names away from Hackage :) On 6 April 2010 08:02, Miguel Mitrofanov wrote: > Out of

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

Out of curiosity: is there something wrong with my nickname "migmit"? I'm not gonna change it anyway. On 6 Apr 2010, at 09:52, Edward Z. Yang wrote: This is a pretty terrible reason, but I'm going to throw it out there: I like real names because they're much more aesthetically pleasing. In

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

On 6 April 2010 15:52, Edward Z. Yang wrote: > This is a pretty terrible reason, but I'm going to throw it out there: > I like real names because they're much more aesthetically pleasing.  In > my younger days, I once decided, "Hey, I should get a pseudonym" and I > picked something fairly ridicul

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

This is a pretty terrible reason, but I'm going to throw it out there: I like real names because they're much more aesthetically pleasing. In my younger days, I once decided, "Hey, I should get a pseudonym" and I picked something fairly ridiculous, just because "everyone else was doing it". I wou

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Hackage accounts and real names

Ivan Miljenovic wrote: > On 6 April 2010 14:28, Ertugrul Soeylemez wrote: > > Luke Palmer wrote: > >> When you say convincing, you are talking about yourself being > >> convinced, right?  So this paragraph means "The arguments against my > >> position haven't convinced me, but the arguments for

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Hackage accounts and real names

On 04/05/2010 11:32 PM, Ivan Miljenovic wrote: 4) The people who support the policy don't see why anyone has a problem with it. I have seen no logical explanation of *why* anybody supports this policy. I've only seen vague hand-wavy statements like "people who use real names are more reliable

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Hackage accounts and real names

On 6 April 2010 14:28, Ertugrul Soeylemez wrote: > Luke Palmer wrote: >> When you say convincing, you are talking about yourself being >> convinced, right?  So this paragraph means "The arguments against my >> position haven't convinced me, but the arguments for my position >> have." > > Yes, of

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Hackage accounts and real names

Luke Palmer wrote: > > So all in all there is no convincing argument for the restriction, > > but at least two convincing arguments against. > > When you say convincing, you are talking about yourself being > convinced, right? So this paragraph means "The arguments against my > position haven't

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Data Structures GSoC

Well, one of my most important questions has been indirectly answered. It seems like Map is still the main point of interest, and Jamie Brandon's list of remaining objectives include modifying the API to work with the edison or

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Hackage accounts and real names

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Ertugrul Soeylemez wrote: > David House wrote: > >> * "Reputation. Using a RealName is the most credible way to build a >> combined online and RealLife identity." (Some people don't want this, >> for whatever reasons.) > > I agree that the restriction should be lif

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

On 6 April 2010 13:24, Simon Michael wrote: > On 4/2/10 5:28 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: >> >> How about something more colourful? >> >> http://i.imgur.com/7jCPq.png > > No-one replied to this, but I like it. You sacrificed some information > density for a simple, engaging, low-stress page (which

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

On 4/2/10 5:28 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: How about something more colourful? http://i.imgur.com/7jCPq.png No-one replied to this, but I like it. You sacrificed some information density for a simple, engaging, low-stress page (which can still rotate in new content frequently). Anything appea

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Hackage accounts and real names

David House wrote: > * "Reputation. Using a RealName is the most credible way to build a > combined online and RealLife identity." (Some people don't want this, > for whatever reasons.) I agree that the restriction should be lifted. A lot of very smart people do not want their real names connec

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Hackage accounts and real names

Gwern Branwen gmail.com> writes: > It must've been put in place in the past year or two; I've never made > any bones about using a pseudonym, and I had no trouble getting a > Hackage account back when it was starting up. It may have helped that you appear to be using a pseudonym somewhat less ob

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

I hardly think you can say that _why had a negative impact on the ruby community... On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Christopher Done wrote: > On 6 April 2010 01:52, Ivan Miljenovic wrote: >> On 6 April 2010 10:48, Christopher Done wrote: >>> This discussion makes me ponder whether someone like

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

On 6 April 2010 01:52, Ivan Miljenovic wrote: > On 6 April 2010 10:48, Christopher Done wrote: >> This discussion makes me ponder whether someone like _why the lucky >> stiff would ever contribute Haskell packages, hehe. > > I think we can do without someone who hides behind anonymity and then >

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How do I use ByteString?

gue.schmidt: > Hi all, > > I've never found an easy way to deal with ByteStrings. > > I'm using the RSA library and it en- and decodes > Data.ByteString.Lazy.ByteString. > > I initially start with Strings, ie. [Char], but there is no function to > convert the 2 back and forth. There is however

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

How would enforcing a 'real names' policy affect a contributor like _why (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_the_lucky_stiff)? I assume they would not join the community. I get the feeling that this discussion is somehow linked to haskell's type-system, but have no idea why... __

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How do I use ByteString?

Look in Data.ByteString.Char8 Cheers, Greg On Apr 5, 2010, at 6:27 PM, Günther Schmidt wrote: > Hi all, > > I've never found an easy way to deal with ByteStrings. > > I'm using the RSA library and it en- and decodes > Data.ByteString.Lazy.ByteString. > > I initially start with Strings, ie. [

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How do I use ByteString?

2010/4/6 Günther Schmidt : > I initially start with Strings, ie. [Char], but there is no function to > convert the 2 back and forth. There is however a function which takes > [Word8] to BytesString and back. The problem is one of encoding. If you use the Char8 Bytestring variants, then pack and u

[Haskell-cafe] How do I use ByteString?

Hi all, I've never found an easy way to deal with ByteStrings. I'm using the RSA library and it en- and decodes Data.ByteString.Lazy.ByteString. I initially start with Strings, ie. [Char], but there is no function to convert the 2 back and forth. There is however a function which takes [Wor

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

On 6 April 2010 10:48, Christopher Done wrote: > This discussion makes me ponder whether someone like _why the lucky > stiff would ever contribute Haskell packages, hehe. I think we can do without someone who hides behind anonymity and then suddenly decides to go and delete all of their work when

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

This discussion makes me ponder whether someone like _why the lucky stiff would ever contribute Haskell packages, hehe. I can count on two hands people I know in various programming communities who have identity issues but are prolific creators. Are we missing out? Probably. But at least there is g

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Metaprogramming in Haskell vs. Ocaml

Casey McCann wrote: > Not to speak for Jacques, :-) and then you followed that up with a post with which I fully agree. Jacques > but my impression is that while TH itself is > typed--it's just more Haskell after all--it doesn't do much to prevent > you from generating code that is not well-typ

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Metaprogramming in Haskell vs. Ocaml

Jason Dagit wrote: > > While true, there are also 2 other reasons for meta-programmers > are not all over Haskell: > 1. efficiency nuts are already using C++ templates and don't see > why they would switch, > 2. people who care about types use a typed meta-language (like > m

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Metaprogramming in Haskell vs. Ocaml

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Jason Dagit wrote: > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Jacques Carette > wrote: >> 2. people who care about types use a typed meta-language (like metaocaml) >> instead of an untyped template layer atop a (fantastic!) typed language. > > Are you implying that templat

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

David House writes: > If I'm honest, I'm really surprised so many people have replied in > favour of the restriction. I've stated an explicit way in which it's > hurting the community, and the only person to say anything in the > policy's defence other that "well, why not?" has been Ross (and I ho

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 6:00 PM, David House wrote: > You're coming at this from the wrong angle. Rather than saying, "why > should we allow pseudonyms?" we should ask "why are we restricting the > freedom of users that just wish to contribute code?" Exactly. I don't understand the argument about

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Metaprogramming in Haskell vs. Ocaml

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Jacques Carette wrote: > Don Stewart wrote: > >> I think we don't see as much metaprogramming because of other language >> features -- laziness, operator syntax, and type classes -- make a bunch >> of common designs work without needing metaprogramming. >> >> > Whi

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

On 5 April 2010 23:52, Jason Dusek wrote: >  There certainly is a significant subculture of anonymity on >  the internet but maybe it has spread beyond its useful limits? >  There are places where it is helpful (Allberry's examples >  above come to mind) but I don't think contributing code to >  H

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

2010/04/05 Casey McCann : > Not to mention that pseudonymity is overwhelmingly the norm on the > internet. I suppose this is the collision of two cultures. Lambda the Ultimate also encourages (but does not require) real names. I think this has to do with academic values, really -- and the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: True Random Numbers

As the maintainer of random-fu, I'd be interested to know whether you find it useful after further inspection. It does, in fact, support using /dev/random as its entropy source. I don't know what exact sort of things you're wanting to do, but very basic usage (random Int in IO from DevRan

[Haskell-cafe] Break Function Using Lazy Pairs

Hi all, For the past couple of weeks I've been trying to understand tying-the-knot style programming in Haskell. A couple of days ago, Heinrich Apfelmus posted the following 'break' function as part of an unrelated thread: break [] = ([],[]) break (x:xs) = if x == '\n' then ([],xs) else (x:ys,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Metaprogramming in Haskell vs. Ocaml

Don Stewart wrote: I think we don't see as much metaprogramming because of other language features -- laziness, operator syntax, and type classes -- make a bunch of common designs work without needing metaprogramming. While true, there are also 2 other reasons for meta-programmers are not all

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: libraries [was GUI haters]

I'm building a desktop application using Haskell for the logic and Qt/C++ for the GUI (the haskell source is foreign-exported into a shared library). It's been hard to pull off, but it works quite well when you get past the compilation issues. Question to the Mac users on the list: do you find tha

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

2010/4/5 Jonas Almström Duregård : > This being said, I have no problem with this restriction. In fact, > trying to determine the origin of code before agreeing to distribute > it sounds like sound procedure. How so? What does knowing the real name of some code's author tell you that merely knowin

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: libraries [was GUI haters]

Cocoa is probably the best GUI toolkit (open-source or otherwise) that I've seen. However it ties your app to the Mac (and the iPhone). And I don't believe there is a mature Haskell bridge. Cross-platform GUI's like GTK don't look as nice but functions pretty well for what they do. Unfortunately t

[Haskell-cafe] Haskell JSON requests from your blog, roll your own Try Haskell!

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[Haskell-cafe] GSOC Haskell Project

Hello haskellers (men and women)! I had an idea about a graphical debugger for Haskell but it has proven to be not really so much useful. However, I was directed into trying to implement a backtrace-printing debugger as it is known that the community will benefit from it. With this idea in mind, I

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Hackage accounts and real names

On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 13:59:50 +0100 >> "David" == David House wrote: David> Moreover it makes things more difficult for everyone else. If David> someone uses their pseudonym on IRC, on the wiki, on the mailing David> lists, on their website and so on and so forth, that's how I David> know them

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Hackage accounts and real names

I don't like using my real name on line unless I am 100% sure that I want my statements recorded for all time and available to anyone. Using a pseudonym allows me to be more honest in my opinions and it allows me to join groups without wondering how my membership in that group will be viewed in

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Where are the haskell elders?

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Kim-Ee Yeoh wrote: > > Something I've noticed is the phenomenon of Help Vampires [1] on this list. > > Amy Hoy: "As soon as an open source project, language, or what- > have-you achieves a certain notoriety—its half-life, if you will— > they swarm in, seemingly drai

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

Well, Is the "real name" uniq enough? I mean if I google for "Marc Weber" many Haskell related posts show up. So yes, this is me - but there are also many false hits. So I for my part do no longer trust google results if I want to judge a person. It gives some hints - you can verify by asking the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

> In addition, the concept is rather silly, as one can just take a > pseudonym without any of us knowing: When I registered I was prompted to verify my identity by means of my university email (as opposed to my gmail account), which would complicate using a pseudonym. This being said, I have no p

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell on Debian

Am Montag 05 April 2010 17:39:29 schrieb Alex Rozenshteyn: > I did try that; after adding a bunch of packages to the .cabal file and > trying to build i get this: > [ 1 of 81] Compiling Plugin.Dict.DictLookup ( Plugin/Dict/DictLookup.hs, > dist/build/lambdabot/lambdabot-tmp/Plugin/Dict/DictLookup.o

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell on Debian

I did try that; after adding a bunch of packages to the .cabal file and trying to build i get this: [ 1 of 81] Compiling Plugin.Dict.DictLookup ( Plugin/Dict/DictLookup.hs, dist/build/lambdabot/lambdabot-tmp/Plugin/Dict/DictLookup.o ) Plugin/Dict/DictLookup.hs:33:4: Ambiguous type variable `e'

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell on Debian

Am Montag 05 April 2010 17:19:35 schrieb Alex Rozenshteyn: > Anyone? "base" isn't listed among the build-depends of the executable, so the obvious thing is to add base to the build-depends and see what happens then (might also be necessary for some other packages). I'm not sure whether iteratin

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell on Debian

Anyone? On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > $ ghc-pkg check > > outputs nothing > > $ ghc-pkg list unix > /var/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf.d >unix-2.4.0.0 > /home/alex/.ghc/x86_64-linux-6.12.1/package.conf.d > > "unix" appears to be in the build-depends of the "Library"

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

Thats what I _want_ you to think. :) On Apr 5, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic wrote: Joe Fredette writes: Unfortunately, Ivan, it's not so much the Whenever-I-can-be-bothered and more the Joe-had-4-finals-in-2-weeks-and-3-papers-to-write. HWN should be back shortly. Hang on, I th

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Where are the haskell elders?

Something I've noticed is the phenomenon of Help Vampires [1] on this list. Amy Hoy: "As soon as an open source project, language, or what- have-you achieves a certain notoriety—its half-life, if you will— they swarm in, seemingly draining the very life out of the community itself." She procee

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

Joe Fredette writes: > Unfortunately, Ivan, it's not so much the Whenever-I-can-be-bothered > and more the Joe-had-4-finals-in-2-weeks-and-3-papers-to-write. HWN > should be back shortly. Hang on, I thought your name was Batman, not Joe... -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com Ivan

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

Maybe some can help him with this. On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Joe Fredette wrote: > Unfortunately, Ivan, it's not so much the Whenever-I-can-be-bothered and > more the Joe-had-4-finals-in-2-weeks-and-3-papers-to-write. HWN should be > back shortly. > > Come Summertime, I suspect all of these

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 5:28 PM, David House wrote: > Hi, > > An issue came up on #haskell recently with Hackage accounts requiring > real names. The person in question (who didn't send this email as he's > wishing to remain anonymous) applied for a Hackage account and was > turned down, as he refu

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

Unfortunately, Ivan, it's not so much the Whenever-I-can-be-bothered and more the Joe-had-4-finals-in-2-weeks-and-3-papers-to-write. HWN should be back shortly. Come Summertime, I suspect all of these delays will stop, but with a 7 class semester, something's gotta give. /Joe On Apr 5,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

+1 for lifting this restriction. On 4/4/10 23:28, David House wrote: An issue came up on #haskell recently with Hackage accounts requiring real names. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haske

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

On 5 April 2010 12:52, Ross Paterson wrote: > Basically http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/RealNameUserAdvantages, especially > simplicity, trust and recognizability. Allow me to respond to some of these points. I find none of them particularly convincing, especially not when compared to the disadvanta

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

On Sun, Apr 04, 2010 at 10:28:26PM +0100, David House wrote: > An issue came up on #haskell recently with Hackage accounts requiring > real names. The person in question (who didn't send this email as he's > wishing to remain anonymous) applied for a Hackage account and was > turned down, as he ref

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Thanks for your replies. In particular to Jon for the reference to the Haskell 98 standard and the comment about language design. If anyone has further references to Haskell 98 or Erlang, I'm still interested. Regarding cost, I do see the difference in factors (Integer - Int, and computable real

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

.On 5 April 2010 03:57, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic wrote: > I can understand wishing to be anonymous in these kinds of situations, > but in terms of submitting open source software?  Unless their employer > is worried about them releasing proprietary software on Hackage, I don't > see the potential for

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Apparently, Erlang does not have a static type system, since with hot code loading, this is intrinsically difficult.

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Max Bolingbroke wrote: > Heinrich Apfelmus wrote: > >> As I understand it, GHC implements the technique from Sparud's paper, so >> this is a solved problem. > > This is not my understanding. As far as I know, the STG machine has a > special notion of "selector thunks", which represent projections

[Haskell-cafe] Re: ANN: spec2code

Am 01.04.10 20:53, Greg Fitzgerald wrote: > After 5 years of R&D, I’m proud to announce the spec2code compiler. > With spec2code, developers no longer need to acknowledge the mundane > details of programming, such as memory allocation, bounds-checking, > byte ordering, inheritance models or perform

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hackage accounts and real names

Joe Fredette writes: > You guys don't _really_ think my name is Joe Fredette, right? > > I'm actually Batman. Batman, Joe, whatever your name is... I notice that the HWN has turned into the Haskell Whenever-I-can-be-bothered-getting-around-to-it News... >_> -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljen

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Hackage accounts and real names

David House wrote: > An issue came up on #haskell recently with Hackage accounts requiring > real names. The person in question (who didn't send this email as he's > wishing to remain anonymous) applied for a Hackage account and was > turned down, as he refused to offer his real name for the userna

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