Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem (Dale Mellor)

2024-06-21 Thread MSavoritias
On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 14:43:30 -0700 Andy Tai wrote: > > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:36:29 +0100 > > From: Dale Mellor > > I use Guix as a tool to develop my own projects, private and > > personal for reasons I'm keeping to myself. As part of that I write package > > definitions for them, and use t

About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread Simon Tournier
Hi all, For the record, the Software Heritage initiative is supportive of the Guix project since years. It means that members of Guix community have or had interactions with Software Heritage (SWH) teams since years. For example, the blog post “Connecting reproducible deployment to a long-term s

Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem

2024-06-21 Thread Dale Mellor
On Thu, 2024-06-20 at 22:59 +0200, Ekaitz Zarraga wrote: > Hi, > > On 2024-06-20 22:54, Andreas Enge wrote: > > Am Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 07:42:44PM +0100 schrieb Dale Mellor: > > > I'm sure guix lint tried to push my code out to them the last time I > > > tried. > > > > Ah indeed, there is this in

Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem

2024-06-21 Thread MSavoritias
On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 16:35:10 +0200 Ekaitz Zarraga wrote: > > 2. You seem to imply that Free Software or code is apolitical. (in the > > sense of social or state politics not) Which it is not. Nothing is. > > For example Free Software is explicitly pro-capitalist and > > pro-Google/big companies.

Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem

2024-06-21 Thread MSavoritias
On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 16:40:57 +0200 Simon Tournier wrote: > Being concrete and explicit, could you please share: > > 1. Which part of your code is included in the pretraining dataset? > > It’s easy, you can copy/paste a snippet and it returns the location > from where it comes from. >

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread MSavoritias
On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 10:39:50 +0200 Simon Tournier wrote: Hey, Just wanted to send a quick reply that as I have mentioned elsewhere I do not wish to see SWH go. I think they are doing great work. and as I mention in my first email I want to apply social pressure and make it clear to package au

Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem

2024-06-21 Thread MSavoritias
On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 09:41:10 +0100 Dale Mellor wrote: > On Thu, 2024-06-20 at 22:59 +0200, Ekaitz Zarraga wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On 2024-06-20 22:54, Andreas Enge wrote: > > > Am Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 07:42:44PM +0100 schrieb Dale Mellor: > > > > I'm sure guix lint tried to push my code out t

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread Andreas Enge
Am Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 12:12:13PM +0300 schrieb MSavoritias: > and as I mention in my first email I want to apply social pressure and make > it clear to package authors what is happening so we can move to an opt-in > model. Well, the opt-in model is in place: As soon as I put my code under a fr

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread MSavoritias
On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:46:56 +0200 Andreas Enge wrote: > Am Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 12:12:13PM +0300 schrieb MSavoritias: > > and as I mention in my first email I want to apply social pressure and make > > it clear to package authors what is happening so we can move to an opt-in > > model. > >

Re: Rust-team branch status?

2024-06-21 Thread Efraim Flashner
On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 05:10:11PM -0700, Ian Eure wrote: > Hi Guixers, > > I want to update the Librewolf package, but it now depends on Rust >= 1.76, > which is newer than what's in master. I see the rust-team branch has > versions up to 1.77 — is there a timeline for merging that, or a TODO

Re: Rust-team branch status?

2024-06-21 Thread Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
Hi Efraim, On Fri, Jun 21 2024, Efraim Flashner wrote: > I managed to burn myself out on rust stuff a few months ago Thank you for your hard work. Rust is perhaps the most complex part in the Guix packaging effort. > After merging the current branch I hope to be able to move the version > of r

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread MSavoritias
On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:45:04 + Luis Felipe wrote: > El 21/06/24 a las 10:44, MSavoritias escribió: > > On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:46:56 +0200 > > Andreas Enge wrote: > > > >> Am Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 11:14:18AM +0300 schrieb MSavoritias: > >>> Aside from that even Guix uploading all code from

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread Liliana Marie Prikler
Hi, MSavoritias, Am Freitag, dem 21.06.2024 um 17:15 +0300 schrieb MSavoritias: > But I didnt say that tho did I? the context you are reading as from > the quote is Guix uploading all code from its packages to SWH. > Not any private repos. So i have no idea what you are reffering to > here tbh. I

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread Vagrant Cascadian
On 2024-06-21, MSavoritias wrote: > On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:46:56 +0200 > Andreas Enge wrote: >> Am Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 12:12:13PM +0300 schrieb MSavoritias: >> > and as I mention in my first email I want to apply social pressure and >> > make it clear to package authors what is happening so we c

Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem

2024-06-21 Thread Luis Felipe
Hi, El 21/06/24 a las 9:19, MSavoritias escribió: On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 09:41:10 +0100 Dale Mellor wrote: `-x archival` does it, but it is too easy to forget and once the cat is out of the bag privacy is lost. I really think this should be default behaviour, or at least there should be a

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread Luis Felipe
El 21/06/24 a las 10:44, MSavoritias escribió: On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:46:56 +0200 Andreas Enge wrote: Am Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 11:14:18AM +0300 schrieb MSavoritias: Aside from that even Guix uploading all code from the packages to SWH that basically feeds it to a LLM model is indeed not honori

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread Luis Felipe
El 21/06/24 a las 14:15, MSavoritias escribió: On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:45:04 + Luis Felipe wrote: El 21/06/24 a las 10:44, MSavoritias escribió: On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:46:56 +0200 Andreas Enge wrote: Am Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 11:14:18AM +0300 schrieb MSavoritias: Aside from that even

Re: Nice meetup 22/06/2024

2024-06-21 Thread nat-418
Given the ongoing national crisis and calls from major trade unions to protest tomorrow during the time slot that was planned for this event, the event is cancelled. I hope to propose another meeting for a later date.

Debugging failing shepherd startup

2024-06-21 Thread maya
Hi, I have an issue with my Guix configuration. From a certain update my system fails to boot. It successfully boots into kernel and starts shepherd. But after that shepherd fails to activate some necessary service and the system is softlocked. The problem is that I can't neither control the syst

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread Msavoritias
On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 16:33:40 + Luis Felipe wrote: > El 21/06/24 a las 14:15, MSavoritias escribió: > > On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:45:04 + > > Luis Felipe wrote: > > > >> El 21/06/24 a las 10:44, MSavoritias escribió: > >>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:46:56 +0200 > >>> Andreas Enge wrote: > >

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread MSavoritias
On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 09:51:30 -0700 Vagrant Cascadian wrote: > On 2024-06-21, MSavoritias wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:46:56 +0200 > > Andreas Enge wrote: > >> Am Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 12:12:13PM +0300 schrieb MSavoritias: > >> > and as I mention in my first email I want to apply social p

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
Hi Vagrant, On Fri, Jun 21 2024, Vagrant Cascadian wrote: > I have to cut myself off now. Please feel free to keep going. Out of the dozens of comments here, including my own, yours was the most valuable. +1 to your fatigue with LLM hype; to the critique of the excess expenditure of precious r

Exclude checker with package properties [draft PATCH]

2024-06-21 Thread Simon Tournier
On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 at 09:41, Dale Mellor wrote: >`-x archival` does it, but it is too easy to forget [...] > at least there should be a flag in the package definition. See attached the patch implementing that. >From 8cb162bcde91d3b39453de576caadb9a6f8f8733 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 Messa

Re: Exclude checker with package properties [draft PATCH]

2024-06-21 Thread Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
Hi Simon, On Fri, Jun 21 2024, Simon Tournier wrote: > Is debbugs.gnu.org having issues? Yes, the community0p server crashed this morning. Luckily, Debbugs appears to be back online and added messages I sent during the outage. Maybe yours will get there, too. > See attached the patch implement

Re: Exclude checker with package properties [draft PATCH]

2024-06-21 Thread Simon Tournier
On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 at 19:51, Simon Tournier wrote: > Well, thinking about indeed it could helpful in some context to specify > the checkers to exclude at the package definition level. Other said, > this patch could be generalized. Work in progress… :-) Done here: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/7

Re: Exclude checker with package properties [draft PATCH]

2024-06-21 Thread Simon Tournier
Hi Felix, On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 at 20:37, Felix Lechner wrote: > > Is debbugs.gnu.org having issues? > > Yes, the community0p server crashed this morning. Luckily, Debbugs > appears to be back online and added messages I sent during the outage. > Maybe yours will get there, too. Thanks. Yeah th

Re: Debugging failing shepherd startup

2024-06-21 Thread Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
Hi Maya, On Fri, Jun 21 2024, m...@zenmaya.xyz wrote: > From a certain update my system fails to boot. It successfully boots > into kernel and starts shepherd. But after that shepherd fails to > activate some necessary service and the system is softlocked. I have had the same problem repeatedly

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread Vagrant Cascadian
On 2024-06-21, MSavoritias wrote: > On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 09:51:30 -0700 > Vagrant Cascadian wrote: > >> On 2024-06-21, MSavoritias wrote: >> > On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:46:56 +0200 >> > Andreas Enge wrote: >> >> Am Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 12:12:13PM +0300 schrieb MSavoritias: >> >> > and as I mentio